need help choosing an exhaust
07-09-2017, 04:07 PM
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hey guys, i just got a 1989 camaro RS with the 305 and i need help choosing a muffler. i have been looking into the flowmaster 80 series, but i dont want to spend the money and end up not liking it. i wake up at 5:45 every morning to go to school and i dont really want to wake up the neighbors. i also listen to alot of music, ALOT of music and i dont want the sound of the exhaust to interfere with my jams
does anyone have this muffler? any other suggestions? (btw... i am only 15 and im new to the car game and this forum so take it easy on me - Kyler
07-09-2017, 06:26 PM
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Magnaflow. It's stainless so will last, you'll have it forever. Isn't too loud at idle or low rpm's, so won't bother neighborhood. Has no resonation at rpm so you can listen to stereo while driving. And when you get on it the car will have a nice crisp bark. And they are priced reasonably.
07-09-2017, 06:37 PM
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I put the flowmaster 80 on my car and I love it. It's not too loud but still has the nice muscle car sound.
07-10-2017, 09:00 AM
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[QUOTE=bonemaro88;6151567]I put the flowmaster 80 on my car and I love it. It's not too loud but still has the nice muscle car sound.[/QUOTE
i think i might just go with the flowmaster, but i have a couple more questions.
- is there a break in period?
- do i have to weld it on or clamp it on?
i appreciate the reply!
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i think i might just go with the flowmaster, but i have a couple more questions.
- is there a break in period?
- do i have to weld it on or clamp it on?
i appreciate the reply!
- Kyler
07-10-2017, 09:34 AM
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Magnaflow all the way unless all you want to hear is drone. Although I am heavily biased because I really hate the way flowmaster sounds. Weld or clamp does not matter as long as you do it right. Helped my friend put on on his car, we later added a resonator and soon we are taking it off for a magnaflow.
Go to youtube and start listening to videos.
Go to youtube and start listening to videos.
07-10-2017, 02:06 PM
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Magnaflow all the way unless all you want to hear is drone. Although I am heavily biased because I really hate the way flowmaster sounds. Weld or clamp does not matter as long as you do it right. Helped my friend put on on his car, we later added a resonator and soon we are taking it off for a magnaflow.
Go to youtube and start listening to videos.
Go to youtube and start listening to videos.
midias, thank you for the advice! im loving this forum!
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07-10-2017, 02:59 PM
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Anyone who says Flowmaster 80series is too loud has never driven a true dual muffler car...
I love the 80series catback with my hooker 2055, and straight pipe. Sounds and smells good!
Its really going to come down to do you want to hear exhaust at idle and cruise, or just at WOT? even then, both are quiet...
I love the 80series catback with my hooker 2055, and straight pipe. Sounds and smells good!
Its really going to come down to do you want to hear exhaust at idle and cruise, or just at WOT? even then, both are quiet...
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07-11-2017, 12:22 AM
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Anyone who says Flowmaster 80series is too loud has never driven a true dual muffler car...
I love the 80series catback with my hooker 2055, and straight pipe. Sounds and smells good!
Its really going to come down to do you want to hear exhaust at idle and cruise, or just at WOT? even then, both are quiet...
I love the 80series catback with my hooker 2055, and straight pipe. Sounds and smells good!
Its really going to come down to do you want to hear exhaust at idle and cruise, or just at WOT? even then, both are quiet...
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07-11-2017, 03:38 AM
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I just finished putting a hooker cat back on my Trans Am. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/h...3hkr/overview/ the sound at idle and low RPM is quite mellow but really wakes up when you get on it. I didn't have the stock exhaust to compare it too, the old exhaust was stock size but had a cherry bomb muffler that was a bit too loud at normal driving RPM's for my taste.
I also installed hooker 2055 headers and a high flow cat so mine is a bit louder then a car with stock iron manifolds but still quiet enough for my picky neighbors at 3am. At WOT I really like the sound but it's not obnoxiously loud. So far it's all clamped in with band clamps I bought separately, after torquing the clamps down a second time after a few heat cycles I haven't had any issues yet.
I also installed hooker 2055 headers and a high flow cat so mine is a bit louder then a car with stock iron manifolds but still quiet enough for my picky neighbors at 3am. At WOT I really like the sound but it's not obnoxiously loud. So far it's all clamped in with band clamps I bought separately, after torquing the clamps down a second time after a few heat cycles I haven't had any issues yet.
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It is hard to find a muffler that is quiet when you want it to be and loud at other times - as someone said, Magnaflow is a great option - although it is not going to be that loud at WOT.
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ANY of them sound great. Hooker, Flowmaster, Magnaflow. Dynomax, Borla, etc. See whats in your price range and you wont be disappointed with any of them. Very nice car you have there good luck!
07-11-2017, 07:21 AM
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We need a cross car mounted version of the Waldron DCE, a Pontiac design for early active exhaust.
07-11-2017, 01:27 PM
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07-11-2017, 02:16 PM
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Re: need help choosing an exhaust
Honestly yeah you just gotta hear it. Exhaust is truly just our own opinions. Its like whats your favorite soda? Some like it hard and crisp, others like it smooth and soft.
But seriously, none of them are going to be "car alarming, waking up neighbors, droning over loud music" its a single muffler system.
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i have the hearthrob 3" catback exhaust and love it. but would probably be to loud for what your looking for.
07-11-2017, 09:49 PM
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I did my exhaust back in 1988; Edelbrock headers, high flow cat, and Borla stainless cat back 3". It's loud but sounds mean and alive. The only gripe I have is that the Y-pipe off the headers - they sit too low and effects the catilytic converter clearance too. I am also thinking of replacing all, but have to research on the aspect of clearance. I want it to be up tight to the vehicle. Keep this in mind when deciding your choices. Let us know what you end up doing and how it comes out.
07-11-2017, 10:26 PM
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I did my exhaust back in 1988; Edelbrock headers, high flow cat, and Borla stainless cat back 3". It's loud but sounds mean and alive. The only gripe I have is that the Y-pipe off the headers - they sit too low and effects the catilytic converter clearance too. I am also thinking of replacing all, but have to research on the aspect of clearance. I want it to be up tight to the vehicle. Keep this in mind when deciding your choices. Let us know what you end up doing and how it comes out.
07-11-2017, 10:30 PM
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I did my exhaust back in 1988; Edelbrock headers, high flow cat, and Borla stainless cat back 3". It's loud but sounds mean and alive. The only gripe I have is that the Y-pipe off the headers - they sit too low and effects the catilytic converter clearance too. I am also thinking of replacing all, but have to research on the aspect of clearance. I want it to be up tight to the vehicle. Keep this in mind when deciding your choices. Let us know what you end up doing and how it comes out.
i appreciate your reply!
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07-12-2017, 07:13 AM
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Save your money and do the cat-back, otherwise you will be spending money for something twice, more or less. You can get cat-backs starting at $350 or so.
i absolutely will! right now im saving up for an amp installation kit. my uncle gave me an alpine s12 to put in there. after the speakers is going to be the muffler. i will probably go with a magnaflow muffler and later on when i start making some money, ill put a catback system on there.
i appreciate your reply!
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i appreciate your reply!
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07-12-2017, 01:37 PM
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The Dynomax kit won't break the bank, is not too loud and sounds good.
https://www.amazon.com/Dynomax-17493.../dp/B000CIV6E4
https://www.amazon.com/Dynomax-17493.../dp/B000CIV6E4
I would not buy that, it does sound good but it is alumnized and only 2.5"
07-12-2017, 01:58 PM
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I guess the question the OP needs to answer is, what are your plans for the car? If you plan on swapping an LS motor making over 400 horsepower, then the exhaust I pointed out is a waste of time, and you should go big based on future needs. If you plan on leaving her stock, and there is nothing wrong with that, then the Dynomax sounds great, and does the job. You won't have the longevity of a stainless system, but the aluminized steel will last you a long time. I have a Dynomax system on a Mustang LX for the past three years in horrible northeast winters, and she still has plenty of life left.
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07-12-2017, 06:29 PM
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He has a Camaro RS making all of 175 horsepower. It is sized properly for his car. As far as cost, he is 15 years old and this won't break the bank.
I guess the question the OP needs to answer is, what are your plans for the car? If you plan on swapping an LS motor making over 400 horsepower, then the exhaust I pointed out is a waste of time, and you should go big based on future needs. If you plan on leaving her stock, and there is nothing wrong with that, then the Dynomax sounds great, and does the job. You won't have the longevity of a stainless system, but the aluminized steel will last you a long time. I have a Dynomax system on a Mustang LX for the past three years in horrible northeast winters, and she still has plenty of life left.
I guess the question the OP needs to answer is, what are your plans for the car? If you plan on swapping an LS motor making over 400 horsepower, then the exhaust I pointed out is a waste of time, and you should go big based on future needs. If you plan on leaving her stock, and there is nothing wrong with that, then the Dynomax sounds great, and does the job. You won't have the longevity of a stainless system, but the aluminized steel will last you a long time. I have a Dynomax system on a Mustang LX for the past three years in horrible northeast winters, and she still has plenty of life left.
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07-13-2017, 07:43 AM
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Actually no - it is undersized for the car. Both the TBI and LG4 exhaust systems were designed from the factory to lower hp coming out of the motors. Those who have moved up to 3" cats and cat-backs have all registered major power gains with nothing else.
Like I said above, save your $ and buy a system that will last for years to come. No one likes changing something and then having to change it again due to not looking ahead.
Like I said above, save your $ and buy a system that will last for years to come. No one likes changing something and then having to change it again due to not looking ahead.
He has a Camaro RS making all of 175 horsepower. It is sized properly for his car. As far as cost, he is 15 years old and this won't break the bank.
I guess the question the OP needs to answer is, what are your plans for the car? If you plan on swapping an LS motor making over 400 horsepower, then the exhaust I pointed out is a waste of time, and you should go big based on future needs. If you plan on leaving her stock, and there is nothing wrong with that, then the Dynomax sounds great, and does the job. You won't have the longevity of a stainless system, but the aluminized steel will last you a long time. I have a Dynomax system on a Mustang LX for the past three years in horrible northeast winters, and she still has plenty of life left.
I guess the question the OP needs to answer is, what are your plans for the car? If you plan on swapping an LS motor making over 400 horsepower, then the exhaust I pointed out is a waste of time, and you should go big based on future needs. If you plan on leaving her stock, and there is nothing wrong with that, then the Dynomax sounds great, and does the job. You won't have the longevity of a stainless system, but the aluminized steel will last you a long time. I have a Dynomax system on a Mustang LX for the past three years in horrible northeast winters, and she still has plenty of life left.
07-13-2017, 08:53 AM
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You can get the 3" jegs brand for about $10 more
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performan...30415/10002/-1
Same with the summit racing version
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/s...t/model/camaro
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performan...30415/10002/-1
Same with the summit racing version
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/s...t/model/camaro
07-13-2017, 11:35 AM
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Actually no - it is undersized for the car. Both the TBI and LG4 exhaust systems were designed from the factory to lower hp coming out of the motors. Those who have moved up to 3" cats and cat-backs have all registered major power gains with nothing else.
Like I said above, save your $ and buy a system that will last for years to come. No one likes changing something and then having to change it again due to not looking ahead.
Like I said above, save your $ and buy a system that will last for years to come. No one likes changing something and then having to change it again due to not looking ahead.
I have to admit, my car is SLOWWWW.
07-13-2017, 02:42 PM
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If you were to do like I did to my 1984 LG4 - a high flow y-pipe, 3" cat, and 3" cat back gave me 30 to 35hp with no other changes. That is enough of a gain to get the car into the 15's from low 17's. Unfortunately no ones makes an lg4/TBI manifolds to 3" cat y-pipe these days.
07-13-2017, 09:05 PM
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If you were to do like I did to my 1984 LG4 - a high flow y-pipe, 3" cat, and 3" cat back gave me 30 to 35hp with no other changes. That is enough of a gain to get the car into the 15's from low 17's. Unfortunately no ones makes an lg4/TBI manifolds to 3" cat y-pipe these days.
He can do like I did and swap out his manifolds for a set of L69 or 350 TPI manifolds and then install the larger Magnaflow y pipe and a better 3 inch cat and exhaust. But the original conversation was about a catback, and unless he swaps the stuff forward of the catback, the larger exhaust is pointless.
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08-28-2017, 10:31 PM
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thank you to everyone that replied. you guys are awesome! but i went with the flowmaster 80 series because i like the chambered sound over the deep sound of the magnaflow. if anyone wants a youtube video, let me know. id be glad to make one. next purchase is pure white led bulbs in the instrument cluster.
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08-29-2017, 05:48 PM
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Cool deal man hope you like it and keep the car for awhile... Ive noticed the longer i have a muffler on the car the deeper it gets...
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thank you to everyone that replied. you guys are awesome! but i went with the flowmaster 80 series because i like the chambered sound over the deep sound of the magnaflow. if anyone wants a youtube video, let me know. id be glad to make one. next purchase is pure white led bulbs in the instrument cluster.
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08-31-2017, 04:33 PM
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I'm not sure. When I bought the car it only had the y-pipe and even that was rusted, so it was really loud. I haven't been around one with stock exhaust.
09-01-2017, 03:13 PM
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induction/fuel injection system. TBI uses two fuel injectors on a 'carb' style throttle body. TPI uses eight fuel injectors (1 per cylinder), uses a more 'modern' style throttle body and has a dry intake system, as 99.9% of cars on the market now do.
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This is my sons car with Dyno Don headers with dual cats, 3in cat-back MagnaFlow exhaust. The car has a TPIS ZZ9 Cam, Vortec Heads and Vortec Intake Manifold.
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After starting this thread, I decided to go with the Flowmaster muffler and it's been a little while since I've started this thread (about a year lol) and I just want to give everyone an update. So the flowmaster muffler that I bought sounded the same as the stock muffler at first, but after it broke in, it sounded a WHOLE lot better. But after some time with the car and after seeing some threads and discussions on this same subject, many people just said to do a catback. So what I did was went ahead and bought Hooker headers, Hooker Y-pipe, Hooker catback, deleted cat, and MAYBE an electric cutout (still thinking about that one). After the weatherstripping is done, I'll put this thing on and well fire this baby up! Also a few questions to go along with this update:
Do I need to tune at all to get the most out of these new parts?
Does anyone have a similar setup? If so, how does it sound and what number increases are there?
Should I heat wrap the headers? (I live in the midwest, if that matters lol)
Should I paint the y-pipe and headers with ceramic paint?
- Thanks, Kyler
Do I need to tune at all to get the most out of these new parts?
Does anyone have a similar setup? If so, how does it sound and what number increases are there?
Should I heat wrap the headers? (I live in the midwest, if that matters lol)
Should I paint the y-pipe and headers with ceramic paint?
- Thanks, Kyler
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I love the Magnaflow.. stock sounding rumble at idle but growls like a beast as soon as you get on it..
snarls and pops on the downshifts.. really nice sound and not “too” loud..
snarls and pops on the downshifts.. really nice sound and not “too” loud..
09-26-2018, 09:01 PM
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If I had the money, I would definitely go Magnaflow. But of course, only being a junior in high school, my pockets aren't the deepest lol.
09-26-2018, 09:05 PM
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What do you think about the electric cutout idea? I'm afraid the engine will run rough if I have the cutout open...
09-26-2018, 09:25 PM
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I just noticed you are 15 yrs old as I reread your initial post. Must commend you because most 15 yr. Olds these days want way different types of cars but you chose a car that was my High School era. I am now 49 and have had many F bodies over the years.
Take your time modding your car and shy away from doing cheap mods that just waste time and money. May I suggest going to your local salvage yards and get IROC or Ws6 sway bars, steering gear box, wonder bar, front and rear springs. Possibly get your hands on some 16", 17" wheels. Makes a HUGE difference in handling that will not kill your pockets. We all know at your age money is tightso source as many used items as possible.
Take your time modding your car and shy away from doing cheap mods that just waste time and money. May I suggest going to your local salvage yards and get IROC or Ws6 sway bars, steering gear box, wonder bar, front and rear springs. Possibly get your hands on some 16", 17" wheels. Makes a HUGE difference in handling that will not kill your pockets. We all know at your age money is tightso source as many used items as possible.
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I don’t know about the electric cutout.. You might get a Service Engine light.. If you are leaving the Catalytic Converter alone the Flowmaster might be nice.. If you end up removing or hollowing the cat Flowmaster might be a bit aggressive and annoy the neighbors..
09-26-2018, 10:43 PM
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Thanks man
Alot of kids at my school got the old foreign family sedans with the loud exhaust, stickers, and turbo whistles lol. Can't say too much crap because I'm daily driving a rust bucket army tank known as the ol' 2003 Chevy Tahoe Z71. Anyways, back on track. Suspension I've been really looking at. This car rattles like a snake when I hit a pothole. Should I just get some springs and throw them in there or should I do the entire thing? IDK too much about the suspension, but I know all the parts that are important. Also, the rims I'm looking at are the Torq Thrust II's. They look pretty cool and I'm painting the car the factory black from GM, so they should look purty if I end up following through with my plan.
Alot of kids at my school got the old foreign family sedans with the loud exhaust, stickers, and turbo whistles lol. Can't say too much crap because I'm daily driving a rust bucket army tank known as the ol' 2003 Chevy Tahoe Z71. Anyways, back on track. Suspension I've been really looking at. This car rattles like a snake when I hit a pothole. Should I just get some springs and throw them in there or should I do the entire thing? IDK too much about the suspension, but I know all the parts that are important. Also, the rims I'm looking at are the Torq Thrust II's. They look pretty cool and I'm painting the car the factory black from GM, so they should look purty if I end up following through with my plan.
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Re: need help choosing an exhaust
Thanks man Alot of kids at my school got the old foreign family sedans with the loud exhaust, stickers, and turbo whistles lol. Can't say too much crap because I'm daily driving a rust bucket army tank known as the ol' 2003 Chevy Tahoe Z71. Anyways, back on track. Suspension I've been really looking at. This car rattles like a snake when I hit a pothole. Should I just get some springs and throw them in there or should I do the entire thing? IDK too much about the suspension, but I know all the parts that are important. Also, the rims I'm looking at are the Torq Thrust II's. They look pretty cool and I'm painting the car the factory black from GM, so they should look purty if I end up following through with my plan.
Alot of kids at my school got the old foreign family sedans with the loud exhaust, stickers, and turbo whistles lol. Can't say too much crap because I'm daily driving a rust bucket army tank known as the ol' 2003 Chevy Tahoe Z71. Anyways, back on track. Suspension I've been really looking at. This car rattles like a snake when I hit a pothole. Should I just get some springs and throw them in there or should I do the entire thing? IDK too much about the suspension, but I know all the parts that are important. Also, the rims I'm looking at are the Torq Thrust II's. They look pretty cool and I'm painting the car the factory black from GM, so they should look purty if I end up following through with my plan.I would find and isolate the rattles.. Stiffer suspension will just make rattles worse. You’ll maybe never be rattle free, but you can improve..
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Car: 1988 IROC Z Convertible
Engine: 305 TPI (LB9)
Transmission: 700 R4
Axle/Gears: G80 GU2
Re: need help choosing an exhaust
I did what this guy (scottmoyer) suggested and it does work:
Re: Squeaks and RattlesAll of the squeaks and rattles can be addressed if you're willing to take the time. I acquired my 1982 Z28 this past summer. When I drove the car, it rattled and squeaked really bad. I started on the door panels by taking them completely apart and cleaning/lubricating whatever I could find. I found the best way to tighten screws, nuts and bolts is to loosen them up completely first, then retighten. Be sure to tighten the handles from inside the door. I also adjusted the window sweeps, lubricated the lock and latch assembly and tightened everything possible on the doors. They now close tight and solid with no rattles.
I then started on the interior. You need to take the dash pad off, tighten everything, put the dash pad back on. Take the radio pod and console apart and do the same. Be sure to check wire and plug placement to be sure no plugs are causing rattles on the brackets. Tighten down the console bolts.
I also noticed all of the black plastic trim over the seat tracks were loose, as were the seat track bolts themselves. Be sure not to over tighten as that will cause noises also. Snug up trim screws only.
The last thing I did was take apart the ttops. The hook assembly on the driver side had play in it and was rattling while driving. I lightly bent the rod to take up the slack and eliminated that rattle.
The '82 is as quiet as can be now and only took time to resolve. Not bad for a 35 year old car. Enjoy!
Re: Squeaks and RattlesAll of the squeaks and rattles can be addressed if you're willing to take the time. I acquired my 1982 Z28 this past summer. When I drove the car, it rattled and squeaked really bad. I started on the door panels by taking them completely apart and cleaning/lubricating whatever I could find. I found the best way to tighten screws, nuts and bolts is to loosen them up completely first, then retighten. Be sure to tighten the handles from inside the door. I also adjusted the window sweeps, lubricated the lock and latch assembly and tightened everything possible on the doors. They now close tight and solid with no rattles.
I then started on the interior. You need to take the dash pad off, tighten everything, put the dash pad back on. Take the radio pod and console apart and do the same. Be sure to check wire and plug placement to be sure no plugs are causing rattles on the brackets. Tighten down the console bolts.
I also noticed all of the black plastic trim over the seat tracks were loose, as were the seat track bolts themselves. Be sure not to over tighten as that will cause noises also. Snug up trim screws only.
The last thing I did was take apart the ttops. The hook assembly on the driver side had play in it and was rattling while driving. I lightly bent the rod to take up the slack and eliminated that rattle.
The '82 is as quiet as can be now and only took time to resolve. Not bad for a 35 year old car. Enjoy!