that kinda looks like the old turbo 301 they put into the 1980-81 firebirds.

 

It is--its just been fabbed onto a SBC in a 89 camaro.

 

 

Why???
No offense, but weren't those motors terds?
I hope whoever made that didn't oust a good tpi motor.

 

he said he fabbed it onto his sbc, but i don't imagine it running really well. the 301's that came with the turbo's were like mid 16 second cars.

 

no offense but that looks like crap

 

Actually from what i read the non turbo 301's where 130hp and the turbo ones were 200hp.This was fabbed onto a sbc 350 and putting out around 8 pounds of boost.Whats wrong with 8 pounds of boost on an already semi powerful engine??Yeah it dont look the best but it looks like it would do the job.Here's a side shot of it.

 

Yeah but for the amount of effort involved he could have put a real turbo on it

 

That looks pretty real to me, it just doesn't have any charge piping for an intercooler. It's not as eficient as intercooled, but it would be alot less effort. and like he said 8 lbs of boost would be nice.

 

I wonder how many rolls of baling wire he used on that thing....



I guess it's kinda cool, but it really looks like ***.

 

I like it. So those were all draw thru designs? I've never seen one in person before.

 

one of my neighbors has one and he has it in auto shop right now, were pullin the motor on it, its a '81..

i think that all the exhaust wrap stuff by the turbo adds alot of the crappy look, that and its pretty dirty

 

WTF?!?! That looks sooooo

 

thats funny

 

Sure, it may look like *** but maybe it's so fast that most here would only get a look at it's *** end. Junkyard horsepower rules!

 

You guys can make fun of it all you want but when it comes to drop jaws this thing beats your conformist TPI and carb engines anyday and even in it's current condition.
Ugly as sin it is, but with some TLC and $$$ it could be made into a motor for a hotrod that wins car shows. Face it, it's rare which makes it cool even if it is slow.

 

What JPrevost said

hell yea!

 

whether it's rare or not, slow=uncool

 

I dont know about the rest of you, but I could give a **** less if it was rare.

If it smells like a rat...

 

Uh huh

 

Obviously you're not car crazy, just speed crazy. Different appreciation values. If it's rare I still like to learn from it because there's a reason why it's rare. Lots of rare slow cars on the road that get my attention over a loud (and hopefully) fast 4th gen f-body... just depends on what floats your boat.

 

And it is by no means SLOW.I know i've drove it.Better yet it's mine.I done that to see if i could do it.That wrap on the pipes is a temporary heat wrap to keep the fiberglass hood from getting cooked.Hey look at the m90's--i thought of that a very long time ago a long time before i ever seen one mounted and even had the the full kit laying in the building with low miles and thought no i would get laughed at.But look everone seems to praise that.With what i created i can mount it on any carbed engine with just a exhaust manifold mod and a exhaust mod.It could look better--yes it could but i didn't clean anything when i mounted and it will be dressed up at the same time i paint the car.Im proud of it cause i done it alone with no turbo knowledge and the fact that its the first and only.Everyone gets critizm no matter what they do and this is no different.Thanks for the replies though good or bad both.

 

alright billy-badass, what's the car run?

 

I wasn't necessarily trying to hate, I was just giving my opinion on how it presently looks. Sure, with TLC and $$$, it could be made to look killer. Keep at it and update us on your progress...

 

Bwahahahahaha


So does this mean I could strap a leaf blower on my 89 RS 305TBI and everytime I hit the go pedal I rev up the blower it gets boost. I mean, it doesnt go very fast, but it sure is rare.

By your logic, this would be much cooler than a properly engineered and fabricated turbo setup.

prevost, youve been a clown for years on this board. Im surprised youve hung around as lousy as your ideas are.

Im a moderator, and I approve this post.

 

Dude! You can't polish a turd.

 

Rare? What exactly is rare about a turbo 301 setup?

 

I agree, something could have been engineered to be much better than that, possibly with the same amount of work involved.

However, I think it's probably better than no boost at all, and maybe it's what he had available for dirt cheap at the time. I am curious as to what it does put down and how it runs as it should work somewhat more efficiently on a better breathing 350. Numbers please.

 

hmm, jprevost develops technology and is an engineering student at OSU. guido is some backwoods retard and has consistantly talked **** about every idea that wasn't his for *** knows how many years now.

lets look at all teh reasons the turbo t/a's were slow. they had a race weight of nearly 3800lbs since most of them were heavily optioned cars. they had no gear, most turbo cars came with 3.08's, and not even all of them got posi.

there are a lot of reason to appreciate technology, even if teh application was disappointing. there is still something to be learned from it. even though it doesn't look teh greatest, it is still 8psi. that is an extremely noticable jump in power.

later
tim

 

anymore the entire set up is getting rare. so many people swapped the turbo motors straight into teh trash that most of the original components are hard to find.

later
tim

 

Any idea why they would do that?

 

You also forgot that the setup was also on a crapbox 301 that put out 130hp in N/A form.

 

That's not rare and how many brain cells did you loose just coming up with that pathetic excuse for an analogy?
It would be cooler to look at, yes, because you don't get to see it nearly as often as you do a modern turbo setup.
Oh, look, you had to resort to calling me a name.
What's funny to me is how the only people I seem to offend are those that are intimidated. Feeling stupid today? Ah, and humor me with some of my "lousy ideas." Because so far none of them have made my car (or others) slower which by your standard would be the only thing important.
Funny guy with that "Im a moderator..." (Im isn't a word, it's "I'm") but really, you don't say. You've been hear as long as I and you don't even have the ***** (or maybe brains, or both) to e-mail or PM me off the board. Instead you think you can use your moderator position for slander.
Can I be just like you... pleeeaaaseeee, lol.

Hmm, rare, well I hope you're kidding with that question.
Do you personally know anybody with one? If not, tell me how many guys you know have a carb or TPI.
Hmm... it's a SBC, you've got a SBC... can't polish it you say . I can think of a few million that have been polished up pretty good.
Oh, and that turbo setup brought the 4.9L from 150 to 210hp, I'd say that's pretty good considering the other motors that were being produced in the late 70's. But yeah, go ahead and contribute nothing but negative because some of you need to feel better about yourselves. I can only think of small ***** envy but maybe it's something else.

 

while Guido appears to be abusing his moderator rights, to call him some backwoods retard is a little far fetched. regardless of whether he ever got his camaro down the track in one piece under full boost, his headers and exhaust work is nothing short of breath-taking, and much prettier than the original posters. i understand budget. i budget hotrod and race myself. that's why i don't force-feed my daily driven only vehicle.

 

it is not an appearance, it is a distinct pattern.
guido has trashed talked people on this board for years now. whenver anyone has an idea or application that does not meet his particular vision he rips them.
now he is attacking people who are trying to go faster, which according to him is what is important. if that is all that really counts to him he should be congratulating people on getting a legit boosted application together, not popping **** about some ***** leaf blower idea or how other people have horrible ideas.

later
tim

 

I dont rip people's visions that dont line up with mine, I CALL OUT BULL**** WHEREVER I SEE IT. Period.

And you can question my own car, but last winter I built a turbo setup for a friend of mine. On 13psi of boost last fall, it ran 10.42 @ 132mph. Now call me a retard for engineering that.

 

I think what IROC-Turbo did is wonderful. It's in the experimental phase and what's the point of making everything pretty if you're just going to rip it apart and rework it a few times? I'll tell you what sucks- you come up with an idea, you build it and get it powder coated and use bolts that all have the same markings on the heads and the thing doesn't work. Then you have to rip it all apart, or worse- try to convince yourself it works.

uhhhh, OK, you're a retard

 

They made 38,000 301 turbo setups. I wouldnt call that rare.

 

OK>>>LOL I like the coorelation above

Guido>>> who has finished school and has a JOB in engineering>>> is a Backwoods goof>>>especially compared to the OSU engineering student.. LOL...

future show winner>>>>LOLOLOL>>>> my ***...name the show...My "backwoods" car is waiting... or race...whatever... Ill kill you at the track on saturday and KILL you just as bad at a show on sunday..

enough on this post...its too hard to type while im laughing this hard...

 

This coming from the guy that has spent the most productive years of his life trying to put a TBI into the 13s n/a, and last I had seen you still haven't accomplished that.

Did that ever get done or did you change projects?

 

I used to own one of those 301 Turbo terds.. Total pile of crap, even back in the day it was a joke.

First off to see some hack 301 job in a 3rd gen is nothing impressive , but more of a waste of time in my opinion.

Calling Guido some yokel is pretty damn funny also considering he custom fabbed a turbo setup to be able to run numbers 4 times what that 301 terd spits out. What the hell have you accomplished???

No offense to the person who built that car. If they happy with it, that is all that matters.

 

kevin, why is it a waste of time? The way I look at it is the guy got 8 psi into his smallblock for very little money. What could possibly be wrong with that?

I'm sure Guido is a wonderful engineer but I'm willing to be he would have spent a lot more money to build an 8 psi system. What about the people who get 2 turbo coupe turbochargers in the junkyard, put them on their smallblock and pump the air through a hacked volvo intercooler? Arey they any more or less of a hot rodder than this guy is?

Pontiac was the one who put a decent turbo on a crap motor, this guy just made things right as far as I'm concerned.

I see cheap reliable horsepower when I look at at what iroc-turbo built. What could be better than that?

 

Its yet to be seen just how reliable it is.

 

And how much horsepower it makes.

I still want numbers. At least give us something to compare to other than "It is by no means slow". I'm seriously curious.

 

That's the beauty of oem parts, they're made to be covered under a warranty.


More than it did with 0 pounds of boost.

iroc-turbo, get your *** back in here and stand up for yourself. What you did is way cool Don't let these people who can't think outside the box intimidate you. I just built a 9 inch for my car for next to nothing. As always, someone will find something wrong with it.

 

Im curious too. Ive seen some really hacked cars running numbenrs faster than the cars Ive built before. But just giving this thing credit based on a picture alone is not going to cut it in my book.

ANd FYI, I AM a car guy. But I dont like to throw stuff together. My thought process is if you cant build it right, then dont do it. Sure people throw things together and toss a couple of turbo coupe turbos on it and it runs 10's once or twice. Then they are burning up pistons, busting cranks, looking for new blocks because they blew a chunk out the side of it.

ive been around this game for quite some time now and I like to think Ive got a decent opinion on things. Dont think that Im posting what I did because Im a moderator. if I wasnt a moderator, Id still be calling BS.

prevost, I still think you are a clown. How is the Toilet Bowl Injection these days?

 

IMO the part that broke being under warranty doesn't elminate reliablility from the equation.

If it breaks halfway between home and the track it doesn't matter if the part is warrantied or not.

Sure it may not stay together for 10 minutes but hey at least the parts are warrantied.

 

I've been down with the flu for days now is why i havent responded and still have it.Numbers would be nice if there was a track within a few hundred miles.We have a rearwheel dyno thats within 50 miles but it only shows torque and no HP and they havent fixed it since i went to school there long ago so now they just use it to calaibrate speedo's and its not accurate there either.Right now im haveing a air/fuel ratio problem.Idling shows no bars--cruising shows a bar or 2 rich--and full boost no bars.So i need to rejet and meter the turbo carb to this setup.But as for useing the turbo--the guy i got it from had the engine,turbo,and carb rebuilt at the same time and about 100 mies later detonated and bent pushrods and was in a lawsuit with the place in washington state that did the work because they put the wrong pistons in and raised the comp ratio too high.While the suit was going on he dropped a 400 in his bird and wasn't going to use the turbo anymore.I took it for free and he bet me i couldn't put it on the maro.As you can see i did.As you can see it was pretty simple to do.What i had in mind for the turbo was putting it on a 3.8 or 4.3 in my S-10 since i still have a setup off a 79 monte carlo we crushed.My only prob there was i didn't get the time to pull the turbo intake from the monte.I still might do it if i can find the intake.If i decide to not use the turbo i can have it removed and the car back running and road worthy in a couple hours which i like.I even have the idea of mounting the turbo directly on the exhaust manifold and intercooling it so i dont have to stare over a 4in cowl hood--i should have used a lower intake.

 

guido, if you were such a "car guy" you would have noticed long ago that there are people smart enough to put together combo's with used/junkyard parts that go very fast and remain reliable.
even someone that you nut road pretty bad several years ago.

remember D144John buddy? would you consider what he had going with the turbo'ed small block first in his 64 nova and then in an 86 t/a a hack job? cast crank, home honed block, garaged fabbed headers, and all built in about 3 weeks. he shifted that motor at 6500 on 4-5psi and it never came apart.

all i am trying to say is that just because you have a different version of what is "right" about building a car doesn't make everyone else completely wrong. good for you, take your time, grab all teh perfect parts that you want. that isn't everybody's style or budget.

as far as your continuing to rip on TBI, that is your hang up. it never comes up until you start looking like a jackass again and need something to try to deflect attention from your original stupid statements. also, toilet bowl injection is an old style of mechanical injection sparky, but i guess as a true car guy you knew that already.

real car guys appreciate effort and originality, not just those who choose to be their clone.

congrats on teh set up man. hopefully you can get a hold of a g-tech or something reasonably accurate to measure teh performance of your creation.

later
tim

 

njnuthugger I wont divert attention from my comments. I stand by the first ones I made on here. I just put in the TBI as extra sting because its f'n retarded to try and build TBI cars and you guys have never seemed to figure that out. Most people who try to build performance figure that out in the first year they are modding things. There comes a point of diminishing returns and TBI is one of them.

ANd I remember D144john. I met him in person once and saw his nova. That thing was built pretty good. he knew what he was doing. And whats wrong with garage fabbed headers?? All my headers have been garage fabbed and they turned out pretty nice in my, and obviously a few others, opinions. And I wouldnt call a cast crank and home honed bad. Plenty of people have built decent running motors that way. My LS1 is going to have a cast crank. Apples to oranges but people have ran deep into the 8's on the same piece. I cant speak for john's TA because I never saw it. I saw some photos of the headers though and they didnt seem to work too bad. I cant question what I havent seen but i saw his nova, and that thing ran just fine.

I stand 100% by what I said. Dont question my car guy status. Like I said, I call BS when I see it. I will give anyone props for hardwork and Ive given PLENTY of props during my stay here.