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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 08:46 PM
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Japanese and their fab skills.. 3rd gen roll cage

you gotta hand it to them.. they do make some cool thing.. check out this crazy cage they made 3rd gen roll cage
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 11:27 PM
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that looks awesome but i would guess that most of it is just extra weight. big on the looks, though.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 11:50 PM
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That does look really trick.

Bet that TTop car wont squeek anymore.
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 12:34 AM
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Looks pretty. Too made it's not legal below 12 seconds.
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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Looks pretty. Too made it's not legal below 12 seconds.
You are right, however, I don't think they do alot of drag racing over there
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Too made? How did I type that?? It should be "Too bad"
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 02:21 AM
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by Stephen 87 IROC
Too made? How did I type that?? It should be "Too bad"
Furthermore, how did I not notice?
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 03:33 AM
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translation the best i could

UP of body rigidity of ƒJƒ}ƒ? of T ƒo?[ƒ‹?[ƒtƒ‚ƒfƒ‹, furthermore it aimed for corner ring characteristic ”‚ Ì UP and became production that this time this roll gauge is managed. Until you call, also the safety when crashing it has not considered. The material which it does not consider the race/lace participation which this time parallels to race/lace regulation with one off production, uses related to detail and rigidity UP and luxurious SUS304 ¥ 42 made ƒ³, when paint and being the rust unnecessary was involved even in beauty when completing. At the same time as for the body joint the rust of the weld there is no worry as all SUS volt/bolt finishing blows, and furthermore made removal and re-installation yes ”‚ È ones. the number of points made 25point, but while drawing up the plan, it calculates and to attach, to nighttime the day when it continues there was a job. It dispersed the burden which falls on the body with roll gauge unifying the rear coil over upper adapter unit, to each frame, it made to improve rigidity. The around of the cockpit while checking, whether guaranty of the passenger space and inconvenience and the like when getting on and off it is not, became being settled. Interior in genuine interior cleanly return. Vis-a-vis completion weight 45kg genuine ƒ}
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 11:03 AM
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Re: translation the best i could

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UP of body rigidity of ƒJƒ}ƒ? of T ƒo?[ƒ‹?[ƒtƒ‚ƒfƒ‹, furthermore it aimed for corner ring characteristic ”‚ Ì UP and became production that this time this roll gauge is managed. Until you call, also the safety when crashing it has not considered. The material which it does not consider the race/lace participation which this time parallels to race/lace regulation with one off production, uses related to detail and rigidity UP and luxurious SUS304 ¥ 42 made ƒ³, when paint and being the rust unnecessary was involved even in beauty when completing. At the same time as for the body joint the rust of the weld there is no worry as all SUS volt/bolt finishing blows, and furthermore made removal and re-installation yes ”‚ È ones. the number of points made 25point, but while drawing up the plan, it calculates and to attach, to nighttime the day when it continues there was a job. It dispersed the burden which falls on the body with roll gauge unifying the rear coil over upper adapter unit, to each frame, it made to improve rigidity. The around of the cockpit while checking, whether guaranty of the passenger space and inconvenience and the like when getting on and off it is not, became being settled. Interior in genuine interior cleanly return. Vis-a-vis completion weight 45kg genuine ƒ}
lmfao


Ok, my reply is:

Huh? You mean you did not account for safety, only for cornering rigidity? Would it not be beneficial to also make sure it will not get people killed in a crash? Sort of a false sense of security thing?

Translation:ハァッか。中間角を付ける剛性率の安全を、しか説明しなかったか。またそれが人々を衝突で殺されて得ないことを確かめることも有利でないか。種類の事偽の安心感か。
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 02:10 AM
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no i mean thats what it said as far as i can tell on their site
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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Ok I read the translation twice and not sure If i understand it. they made the cage out of thinwalled tubing? and its ment just to strenthen the chassis? if thats the case then you could easily use thicker walled tuning for the main hoop and a couple other points similar to a 4 or 6 point cage. I think that set up looks awesome and I bet its stregthens the chassis a TON! and it only weights a 100lbs! thats amazing.
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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thats what i thought and ya i guess you could use a thicker wall tybing to help strengthen it as a form of protection
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 12:20 PM
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thats what i thought and ya i guess you could use a thicker wall tubing to help strengthen it as a form of protection

Last edited by avitet; Oct 19, 2005 at 03:29 PM.
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 11:49 PM
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thats what i thought and ya i guess you could use a thicker wall tybing to help strengthen it as a form of protection
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 12:40 PM
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A little off topic. The rear air spliter on that camaro is trick. Can anybody translate cost in greenbacks? I would also assume that you would have to do away with the stock muffler location?
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 04:48 PM
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YEN to $ is about .0087 yen to the dollar.. i got that from Google search yesterday..


the rear wing is about 548$.. the hood says is $1458
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 12:54 PM
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Not the wing. The Air splitter underneath the rear of the car. Where the stock muffler goes. How much?

Bottom left picture.

http://www.grace-co.co.jp/3d_rcing_w...cing_wing.html
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:05 PM
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well just take their Yen price... and multiply it by .0087 to give you the price..




*edit*

just noticed that they are not selling that part.. its just the wing they have pictured..

looks like a one off fabrication deal... should be "too hard" to make...
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:30 PM
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Hmmmmm. I knew I should have taken Japanese in high school.
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Old Oct 23, 2005 | 10:32 AM
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Like the cage, the "aerodynamic" features are likely just for looks. Typical.
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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 08:47 PM
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Because it is a Japanese tuner company's purpose built show car it has to appeal to their market.
Rigidity is the stated purpose of that cage. Japanese tuner cars are typically set up for time attack and drifting events, which are pretty much solo. Nascar style cages aren't required.
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Old Nov 8, 2005 | 01:39 AM
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The thing under the bumper is called an air diffuser, it helps aerodynamics and creates a more even stream for the air to flow under the car...they'd be stupid for the street because they are generally made of carbon fiber and who the hell wants to spend 1000+ for something that doesn't do anything but "look cool" on a street car. Seriously, it's for sportscar racing, they probably don't even need it...hell, if they were really into racing would they use 2 coffee can fart pipes for the exhuast on that car? If they were smart they'd run some good flowing headers and some straight pipes or something...possibly a cutout. Car looks cool but then again, it sorta looks stupid. Dig the cage though, nice work, a little much but still the craftsmanship is excellent.
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 02:38 AM
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I'm diggin on there brembo kit on page 3 pretty neat
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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According to the pics on the site, the car is into drag and road racing.

http://www.grace-co.co.jp/drag_top1/...race_top1.html

After making the "heat extractor" hood, I doubt they would build anything just for looks
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 04:06 PM
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good to see people like domestic cars in japan , I heard they go for like 7 or more grand over there even in just ok shape
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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Fortune cookie, domestics in japan would be like honda or kawasaki. It looks like a decent design, why the tranny tunnel needs all that reinforcement I don't know, unless they were running some kind of shorter torque arm. The fit and finish is awesome.
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 04:11 PM
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Found they have a vid of the car running

http://www.grace-co.co.jp/img/interclub/interclub.wmv

Seemed kinda rickity to me but thats probably because of the carbon hood flapping in the breese
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 11:32 PM
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You know i bet that they have a similar message board for 3rd gens in japan... They may not be quite as popular there, but lately ive seen more and more 'domestics' modified in japan. I think it would be pretty interesting if we could swap ideas with those guys somehow...
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 11:43 AM
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May I ask why that cage isnt aloud below 12 seconds without being flamed?
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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The tubing is to thin, its not to NHRA specs
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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O Ok so if you did the same cage with thicker tubing it would be fine.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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Ya but with the added weight it wouldnt be worth it, the pipes they used were similar in thinkness to exhaust tubing which is fairly light. I bet my 6 point cage weighs more that whole cage. although a "Hybrid" cage similar to theres where you would substitute thicker tubing in areas like the main hoop, side bars and rear bars, and then fill in the rest with the thinner tubing. I would think this would get you past the inspection and have a SUPER stiff car.
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