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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 10:01 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

This is shaping up nicely!! I hope you finish her off. You will certainly have one unique thirdgen thats for sure!!

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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

Can you post some photos of the wiper/cowl drain area on the driver's side. I have rust there and want to figure out a plan of attack to repair it...
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 04:59 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

And what did you do with the old sheet metal you cut out? I need some of the firewall on the driver's side...
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Old Mar 1, 2011 | 02:19 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

I am anxious to see the vette floors as well! LOL, You have almost dropped a 3rdgen shell over a vette! (Yeah, I know, the c5/c6 has a transaxle, but...)
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

Got the trans tunnel modified to fit the T56 and started mocking up the vette floors:





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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 06:07 PM
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Nice! Do you think it will weigh under the 2,900lbs mark?
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 06:19 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

If your doing all this fab work why not put the vetter trans in it also?
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 06:53 PM
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 10:09 PM
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subscribed....this should be awesome
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 12:46 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

First off cool project and nice fabrication skills.

Second that is one massive and wide trans tunnel, are you going to have enough room to put seats in this thing?
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 12:58 AM
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Very cool! That engine compartment is shaping up beautifully!
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 06:24 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

Though this is a lot of fabrication it's using parts I have laying around. This is intended to be a relatively inexpensive daily driver. So lengthening the torque tube and all that just added cost (not to mention I'm using most of the rear parts and vette transaxle on my 68 Camaro).

The tunnel is wide, but the seats still fit as it's almost as wide as the stock vette. However, the firewall is pushed WAY back in the car so the front seats will likely slide back against the rear seats. What the hell, the rear seats are pretty much "storage only" anyway.

I have no idea what it'll weight, and quite frankly I don't care. If this were my dedicated track car it'd have a full tube frame and weight would be a priority.
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 01:19 PM
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Did you throw out the old firewall sheetmetal?
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Old Mar 3, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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yeah, I tossed the old stuff. It wouldn't have done much good to anyone as it was in a million pieces. I would cut a little, check, cut a little more, check, for hours.
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Old Mar 4, 2011 | 03:06 AM
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Thats the way to do it! You can always cut more out, Putting it back is another story! LOL, looking good!
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Old Mar 17, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

What engine and transmission are you using? At least you can just buy corvette headers if you are using a ls engine.
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 06:24 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

Originally Posted by marolf101x
The donor cars are 2002 Z06 and a 98 Z28.

Engine:
The 3rd gen is getting the LS1 from the Z28 with all the corvette accessories and batwing oil pan. Possibly a turbo after I drive it for a while (this is my new daily driver)

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T56 from a Viper.

Front Suspension:
the Z06 was stripped for my 68 Camaro project (www.projectawdcamaro.com) so I had the frame rails and cross member. I pirated the suspension parts for now, but I'll be building my own control arms (basically so I don't have to buy another set). It'll be running triple adjustable coil overs

Rear Suspension:
4th gen rear, custom coil over mounts, triple adjustable coil overs

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Stock Z06

Interior:
As of right now I plan on using as much of the Vette as I can. The seats for sure, and I'll see how the dash and console go when I get that far.
Post #6 lays things out pretty well...
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 09:30 AM
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Very cool.
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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this is so awesome. keep putting up more pics
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 03:59 PM
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Very Jelous of having the correct materials on hand
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 09:30 PM
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This is EPIC! Can't wait to see more!
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Old Mar 20, 2011 | 08:34 PM
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Awesome project!
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Why did you start this new project when you apparant never finished this so called AWD 68 Camaro? You seem to start alot of things but nothing finished.
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 07:37 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

you may have answered this already but how are you doing the awd in it i am very interested in this so let me know
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 09:25 AM
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Basically I have over $35K in the 68 already and I got to the point where I had to start making all the custom parts (the parts I cannot make at home: drive shafts, transmission to TC adapter, etc). These small parts alone were going to be over $5K.
Add to that I got married and purchased a bigger (more expensive) house, and I ran out of cash.

I found the 3rd gen and thought I'd make it a simple daily driver with a total of about $4K wrapped up. However, the more I cut, the bigger the ideas got!

The plan now is to get the 3rd gen up and going as a daily driver, then put my concentration and money back on the AWD car.
The AWD car is a long term project. I've had it forever, and I don't plan on selling it, so it'll get done when time permits.
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 11:48 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

what made you want awd i know why i would want it but in a camaro now thats an well you be able to do it again but for a 87 iroc
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 12:36 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

why AWD? How many camaros have you seen with AWD? It's more of an engineering proof of concept for me than anything. I know parts are going to fail. I know things won't be right the first time. I work in R&D so I'm used to these things. You figure out what doesn't work and try ideas until it does.

I figure the AWD and all wheel steering would be great for the small "low speed" auto cross courses we see at Good Guys events and the like.

It may not be great on larger road courses, but what the hell, it'll be fun to drive around (especially in the snow with some gnarly tires on it!)

I'm not building it to any class rules or anything. It's just something I wanted to do, so I started in.

Can you replicate this in any other car? Sure you can. But it'll take a complete custom tube chassis and lots of parts. Like the old adage goes, "anything can be done with enough time and money".
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 01:21 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

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Add to that I got married and purchased a bigger (more expensive) house, and I ran out of cash.
This story sounds oddly familiar, with the exception of a kid....
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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i think an awd 68 camaro would be cool. but ya know what would make it even cooler 4 wheel steering!
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 06:34 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

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i think an awd 68 camaro would be cool. but ya know what would make it even cooler 4 wheel steering!
4WS is cool in theory, but useless in a performance application without some serious computer hardware to back it up. At speed you do NOT want a traditional 4ws system. The car will be extremely twitchy and unpredictable.

Chevrolet toyed around with the idea on a prototype IROC, there is an article somewhere about it.
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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 06:43 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

i know in the performance aspect it wouldnt be performance oriented. but still cool if it was a show car or something
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 12:10 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

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This story sounds oddly familiar, with the exception of a kid....

No kidding! Add that to a bad economy and 5 kids and you have my story! My projects have been slowed by it, thats for sure. S'ok though, I've got nothing but time! LOL
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 02:28 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

so let me know what kind dallor amount it going to take but i don't want rear wheel steering i want speed and to be able to drive in the snow
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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 05:26 AM
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so let me know what kind dallor amount it going to take but i don't want rear wheel steering i want speed and to be able to drive in the snow
i couldnt make a bit of sense out of that
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 04:33 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

sorry i how much do you think its going to cost to make for a thirdgen camaro
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 05:33 AM
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aaaaah gotcha/ prolly a hefty price since its all custom
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 02:10 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

Yeah, I gotta say, youre better off getting a subaru for the winters and saving your thirdgen from those NASTY Idaho winters! I've driven in Boise in the wintertime (Used to make a regular trip from oregon to salt lake city, Ut, and I wouldnt put my F-bodies at risk for all the cheese sticks at Arbys! LOL)
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

Originally Posted by Thirdgen89GTA
4WS is cool in theory, but useless in a performance application without some serious computer hardware to back it up. At speed you do NOT want a traditional 4ws system. The car will be extremely twitchy and unpredictable.

Chevrolet toyed around with the idea on a prototype IROC, there is an article somewhere about it.
Four wheel steering is lame. what is not lame is your thirdgen and definetly not your 68. I dream of building an awd something someday, although I dream of building alot of cars someday. but anyway I looked over your plans and progress sofar, and just wanted to say it looks awsome.
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nice work!
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Old Mar 25, 2011 | 04:55 AM
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Cool stuff.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

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Why did you start this new project when you apparant never finished this so called AWD 68 Camaro? You seem to start alot of things but nothing finished.
^jeez leave the guy alone, alot of ppl have multiple projects^


AWD First Gen, i have actually thought of this before, it would be sick if you rallied it when its done, but then again it would be a show to get such a one of a kind car dirty. Good luck with both cars they are both look real good.
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 05:29 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

agreed, the guy has two awesome builds, if you noticed no camaros came with awd so alot of custom hand made parts would need to be made, and with his attention to detail, they wont just be slopped together either
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Old Apr 6, 2011 | 02:21 PM
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any updates?
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Old Apr 6, 2011 | 03:28 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

I've been building the rear suspension using all our parts and coil overs.
Very similar design to 1984 Camaros white car with the Nelson TT engine.

I'll post pics in a couple of days. I won't be in the garage tonight.
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Old Apr 7, 2011 | 06:25 PM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

Here's some quick and crappy pics of the rear install (I'll be putting in the coil over mounts this weekend, so I'll update then):




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Old Apr 7, 2011 | 08:09 PM
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Your one crazy ****! And I mean that in the best way possible.


Quick question. Where do you plan on putting the exhaust?

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Old Apr 7, 2011 | 09:12 PM
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whats the plans for an exhaust? Seeing damn near everything is custom maybe you can be the first 3rd gen to have longtubes w/ true dual 3 inch that dont hang below the frame and rub over bumps lol

I cant even imagine the time you have invested in this. Am subscribed
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 03:50 AM
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Looks like there is still some space left for a fueltank, although it looks as if that should be somewhat smaller then stock.
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 06:39 AM
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

"stock" tank (it's from the 4th gen donor car). I do not plan on changing it at all. We'll see how that goes.

I'll be running 2.5" exhaust on this build as it will be traveling through the tunnel like the Vette exhaust.
3" is nice, but a slight pain to work with for minimal gain on a mostly stock LS1.

Here are links to the last 3 high profile company projects I was involved with:
Velocity Camaro; 427LS, 3" stainless exhaust:
http://www.ridetech.com/garage/1968-camaro-velocity/

GoodGuys give-a-way Nova; 427LS, 2.5" exhaust
http://www.ridetech.com/garage/1970-...9-givaway-car/

GoodGuys give-a-way Chevelle; 540BBC, 3" exhaust
http://www.ridetech.com/garage/1970-...-giveaway-car/
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Re: a third gen, a Z06, and a long winter

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