raptoryfm660r

I was wondering if anyone else on the boards have ever seen one in person or on tape?


Chet

86IROCZ

Personally, I think that they all have been scrapped or put in a warehouse somewhere. I've talked to a guy at Kett Engineering (who do brake pad analysis at the Mesa Proving Grounds for GM) He said he rembered doing testing for an IROC in 86 but can't remember if it was a 350 (some source huh?)

anyway, if you can get some real proof...rpo. vins. etc, you will definatly be the man.

raptoryfm660r

I posted this over at the http://iroc.fbody.com/

Back to the post.
I have one of the :hail: fifty cars from 1986 on tape and running. I know the trap speed of that particle car and the 0-60 time. I have had this since early 1986 and was found two days ago. I need to see what else has been stored away.

Chet

86IROCZ

I've seen pictures of your car and its absolutley beautifull!! It's a great source of comparason (spell) for my restoration project. I bought mine used 11 years ago when I graduated HS and I'm the second owner. It's got 224K miles on it and it still has the original engine (but it's dying now). Even after 16 years it still looks great and it starts every time.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Gotta have proof or we won't believe it.

raptoryfm660r

IROCZTWENTYGR8,

I snapped this digital picture of the tape from 1986 on the TV screen. I am one minute, eighteen seconds into the tape. You can see the car has no A/C and is running. The alternator is on the correct side for that time period and there is the single accessory belt for the Alternator.

Chet

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Whats it look like?? Where did you tape this from?? Is there anyway to post it?? Must have been just a test car for the 87 production.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

well, atleast this isnt as far stretched as some of the BS we get in here

i believe you

raptoryfm660r

When I taped this I would not have had a clue that it would have meant anything or to prove that one of the 50 cars did exist.

This car had the 85 mph dash so it was made way before my build date of 4/04/86.

In this picture you can see the time counter has increased to one minute, thirty-eight seconds and shows the area were the A/C unit is gone. The valve covers are held down on the sides and not like the 1987 L98 where they go through and our held down on the top of the valve cover.

Chet

BONES LB9

i was told at the dealership where i work that they had an 86 iroc with the 350 from the factory in it. they had to return it or something.

iroc22

That's unlikely since all the 50 (well at least that's how many are approximated to be) were not EPA certified and not approved for street use. Same with the 84 Vettes that were produced. They were not EPA certified and were eventually destroyed. GM doesnt have room for all the test cars they produce (the one remaining 84 Vette is in the National Vette museum). These 86 IROCs do exist though, I have a 86 Hot Rod with a 'hand-built' 350 prototype IROC. It ran 0-60 of 6.1 seconds and 1/4 in 14.7@98 I think.

Black84Z28

They destroyed all 51,547 of them?

iroc22

Sorry I meant 83

1991tealRSt-topGuy

dammit you beat me to it

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Why not just keep this 1??

Did you log out then enter your other name and password??

iroc22

Geez u make one typing error and dont notice it...........

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Dirk is the only 1 that can do those things.

Matt427

Hey Chet, the same thing happened to me on my work computer, so I had to re-register wit a new name. What's weird is that my old user name works fine at home.

Mark A Shields

Don't worry Chet, you're fairly new here, and I'm sure anyone who saw your pics, will easily remember your new screen name.

89Formula305

ahh i was just about to type somthing about the vette being an 83 instead of the 84 he said.......then i scrolled down lol


My dad has a 1972 vette that we are restoring right now..

Mark A Shields

I say buy a USB Video Grabber, allows you to transfer VHS to the computer. I got mine for $61, this way we can all see the video.

raptoryfm660r

IROCZTWENTYGR8,

I am back to my old self again with the help of Mr.Timmermann.

Thanks again for the timely help.

Mark A Shields,

I never new there was such a device. I should go out and see whats new in the world.

Chet

Mark A Shields

Neither did I. I was about to sell my Camcorder for a digital camera that took like 3 mins worth of video and discovered that nifty little thing. That's what I used for the vids in my signature. I'm going to the track Fri, hopefully to get some more of other cars.

camaro6spd

Not to be a PITA.....but how do we know it is a 350 not just a 305 under there? And anyone who says that they own a real on...sure....that and a new 2003 Camaro right?

raptoryfm660r

camaro6spd,

I have nothing to gain or lose by showing you these pictures. I just found this MW tape stored away that I had from early 1986. I don't think they would just play this as a 350 when its really a 305. The car on the tape is obviously an 1986 with a 350 stuck into the engine bay. Sure you can't tell the difference. I am sure that car is long gone, But if a 305 can do the posted trap speed on that tape well that's good for me and my 86, 305 TPI.

Here is a picture of that car doing speed tests with the trap times posted.


Chet

Matt427

Well Chet, how do we know if that's even a TV in that picture. Maybe you just colored a picture of a Camaro on a sheet of white paper. Or maybe you're just controlling our minds so that we just think we see a red '86 Camaro, at least that's what color it is in my head. Maybe it's a different color in somebody elses head!?! Uhhh, I gotta go now. Five or six men in dark suits just pulled up in a black Suburban...You told them where I was, didn't you!?!

9D1BURD

Chet, would you possibly want to make a copy of that video for me? I would gladly pay for the video and postage? If you could that, send me an email at thirdgenbird@hotmail.com If not, thanks anyways and take care of that car!!

raptoryfm660r

Matt427,

When I sit in front of it, it looks like a TV, turns on like a TV, So I do believe that it is a TV. Hey, that TV is even older than my 1986 IROC-Z . Its an 1984 model TV. It was one of the first to have an electronic tuner and has performed flawless. Brand name Citek. I had the lights turned out so the picture would turn out better.

Heres a picture (lights turned on) where they show the 0-60 mph time of 6.2 sec.

9D1BURD, I made a phone call and will not know until Monday if the tape is available for copies. If not available then maybe we can work something out.

Chet

Black84Z28

Yeah, and how do we know it's even a real Camaro? It could be a model.

raptoryfm660r

On the same tape I have they are showing the new ASC Z 28 convertible. This car does have the 5 liter TPI motor and they call it a sceamer. They suggest getting the fatter 60 series tires that are available if you have a hand in ordering the car. The base tires spin to much.

Heres for you non--believer's. A smoke show. Its five minutes, twenty-three seconds into the tape.

Mark A Shields

Chet, I hate you. Not only do you have the lowest milage IROC I've seen, but you have video proof, of a car that most say doesn't exist.

Depending on what is said, if you are able to make copies, let us know how much it will cost. I would be very interested. Thanks.

I guess next you're going to show us your TT Lingenfelter Vette. j/k.

mechanicalmehem

yeah, If it is possible i'd like to get a copy of this video also and I am willing to pay for shipping and all that, thanks.

raptoryfm660r

Let me state, I am sure the car in this tape is long gone. I guess it could be in moth ***** at GM somewhere though, but it was up and running at one point in 1986.

I copied and pasted this from IROC-ZONE, first paragraph

Nick Silver,

It was broadcast on MW back in early 1986. Its a GM engineering prototype from early 1986. It has the 85 mph Dash and you can see that the car has been around for block a few times going by the odometer and that particular car has 7107.3 miles on it. It was explained that production models will get the higher speedometer.

The IROC-Z that is on the tape is an 1986 car. It has the high mounted brake light. The shift **** is round.

The car going by the speedometer had to be made before mine which was 4/04/86 and mine has the 145 mph dash. On another thread someone even has a 145 mph dash and a lower VIN number than me or earlier build date than mine. Now this would put that car with the L 98 being on the production line in March or before that.

After reviewing this tape again I would have to say they tested the car in May of 1986 going by how the trees are greened out.
See, I got my car on 5/01/86 and was obviously interested in taping something that would deal with my then new car.

So with 7107.3 miles on the odometer in may(approx.) the L98 equipped IROC-Z would have averaged 394.8 miles a week if it was made the first week of January of 1986.

When you think about it I believe one day the engineers decided that they would put in an order for a very plain red IROC-Z (base interior, no t/tops) and was watching the car go down the line and when it came time for the engine install they pulled into position with an iron, steel head L98.
This car did have the stronger 3.27:1 rear end and no A/C was installed so they would not have to deal with the cooling problems at that point. Other than the rear end and the steel headed L98 nothing else was different from any other production IROC-Z going down the assembly line. The suspension setting also were the same as 5.0 liter IROC-Z's from 1986.

Chet

Heres right at the start of tape where they are explaining about the L 98 IROC-Z and the new ASC Z28 Camaro. Wonder if that is one of the first ASC Z28 Camaro's?

Jim85IROC

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I don't think there's any debate over whether 50 existed in 1986. The debate is whether any of them exist now.

That is quite interresting though. I was under the impression that the 50 mules had the same motors as the 87 production units, which would mean centerbolt heads. The one in that video has the older style valve covers, which tells me that it probably has iron vette heads on it. Very interresting indeed.

raptoryfm660r

I did call Maryland public television today and was forwarded to one of producers of MW after giving them my name and phone number and the gentleman's name was Brian. I asked him If he could give me the number of the show for that particular time period in early 1986 which featured 2 Camaros and I would then pass it on to whoever would want the tape on third gen could order it. He said he would look for the tape and call me back.

It wasn't 2 minutes later his secretary called back and said they do not have the tape for that time period. I couldn't believe it. I said you don't keep your old tapes. Not from that time period anyway. She gave me authorization to copy that portion of the tape and has my name and phone number as the person who asked for the permission for the reproduction.

Here is the website where they tested the cars back in 1986. I called the owner of 75-80 dragway this morning and he couldn't remember the cars being there. To many cars have come and gone through his place. I told him that his place was given credit as the test facility

75-80 Drag-A-Way

Chet

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

Chet, let me know if you wind up making copies. Having that sort of historical data would be an invaluable addition to my collection!!

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

Should post it on the internet, maybe could be exclusive to ThirdGen.Org?!

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

That's a good idea. MPG it and have somebody host it. I'd love to host it on the IROC Homepage too!!

raptoryfm660r

IROCZTWENTYGR8,

That would be a great idea.

The tape is approx. 8 minutes long and professionally done by MW. The time is divided between the IROC-Z and ASC convertible that was going to be offered through participating dealers only and not through the factory.

The tape that was recorded in 1986 is in LP format. On the VCR that I have now that speed(LP) is not evened offered. It was broadcast on the local public television station and I was taping it off cable and there is bleed--through from the airwaves and it being on the cable station at the same time, but the tape is still very watchable. You can see that from the pictures I have snapped off the TV.

Its interesting in seeing the cars launching off the line and how the bigger 50 series tires on the IROC-Z basically grab the pavement and take off with very little wheelspin but do leave nice black strips. The 65 series tires on the ASC Z 28 just sit there and spin there life away when taking off and therefore the times are higher, MW says 60 series tires that are optional would be a better choice.

I went again and as I was writing this and thought about the badge--ing that was on the rear of the IROC-Z because it shows a really good shot of the rear end right before it goes for a test run and plain as day you can see the third brake light and where it says Tuned Port Injection.

Its really great seeing the IROC-Z in MW footage on the road because it looks almost exactly like mine. I can watch someone driving one on tape at least.

Jim85IROC, I have e/mailed you in the past. Should I go with that address to get in touch with you again regarding the tape and maybe posting it?

I don't know who to contact on thirdgen.org to see if they would be interested in posting the tape.

I don't have the capacity to MPG the tape and maybe Jim85IROC could help me in that regard too.

I am going to add this picture because in the tape there showing how difficult it is to get in the rear of an ASC Z 28 Camaro and this guy fights with the seatbelt to get in. I think they might be overdoing it a little and explain you either have to go under or over that seatbelt.

Chet

iroc22

double post

iroc22

You go over the seatbelt and it's not that big of a deal

raptoryfm660r

iroc22,

I guess since that was one of the very first 1986 ASC Z28 Camaro's they just had not figured out yet the best way to get past the seat belt.

They were doing it like the dance you go under the stick and it continues to get lower. :sillylol: I think that dance is called the limbo.

Chet

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

If it is made into an mpeg, I can get it on TGO. I am sure Dirk would like this alot.

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

Chet, you can email me at the same address as before. I don't have a video input on my video card, so I don't know if I'd be able to do the mpg conversion.

iroc22

I have a video capture specific card on my comp, but I don't have a VHS device to hook up to it.

raptoryfm660r

iroc22,

I am trying to work it out with a couple of the boards members who have many posts who will help me to get this converted so everyone that has an interest can watch this old video footage.

There is a very short detail on the tape where it says the 1985 IROC-Z won the pony car shoot out for the best handling car at the Pocono raceway in 1985.

http://www.poconoraceway.com/

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

We want it all.

raptoryfm660r

Three tapes were dropped in the mail today.

Makes you feel good when you see that IROC-Z from the past driving on the road.

Mine might be an 1986 with the 305 (peanut) automatic, but it suites me fine and mine looks just like the one in the video.

You just can't beat the looks of a good clean thirdgen-- IROC-Z, Z28, RS and even a base Camaro.

This site has made me want another one.

Chet

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

Yeah, that happens. Look at my sig.

I've got an 86 V6 camaro for a winter rat too.

raptoryfm660r

Well, now everyone can see one of the 50---- 1986 test mules running.

You can find it in the Movies Section of the site.


Thanks again,:hail: Dirk

Chet