blaznbrd

i was looking into buying this 91 z28. It has t-tops and 5.7 tpi. Is this the stock motor or did someone along the way to a swap? because i thought that you couldn't get the 5.7 with t-tops? thanks guys

RPM WOT L 98

iTrader: (3)

I know that there were "unofficially" some Formulas that slipped by with an L98 and TTOps, but I've never confirmed that. Check the eigth digit in the VIN.
8=350 TPI L98
F=305 TPI LB9
E=305 TBI L03

MD350

i have an 89 formula 350 with t-tops. on the origional window sticker it is listed as a value option package along with an am/fm stereo w/cassette. i have heard the comments about the rarity of tops and would like to no more, can't believe gm would pass up the chance for more profits. the package listed for $1,045.

:rockon:

MD350
89 Formula 350

ctandc

I've never seen a 91-92 Z28 with 350 and T-tops. In fact, I'm pretty sure you couldn't even get T-tops with a 305 Z28 WITH the G92 package.

My experience is that ALOT of sellers mistake the 305 for a 350, some to sell the car, and others because they just don't know any better.

Check the VIN.


HTH

MD350

i do know the difference, the vin is 8, the l98 engine carried an alternate rpo code of B2L. the pontiac historical society for 1989 shows t-tops as an available option on the formula with the 5.7 tpi.

MD350
89 Formula 350

Guest

91 Z28 is its own issue, there are supposedly no factory 91-92 Z 28's with a 350 and T-tops. Maybe you should look into it, see what it really is.

Other years and Pontiacs are an entirely different issue. They did make Formulas with the T-tops and L98, I dont know about the others. 87-90 was pretty much fair game as far as T-tops and 350, I think there were only a couple exceptions and I'm not even positive of those.

ctandc

Wasn't questioning you?!??
He was asking about a Z28 Camaro I thought? I've seen plenty of 350 equipped Trans Am's / Formulas and GTA's with T-tops, all the way up to the end of the run, I was referring to the Z28's...



HTH

MD350

no harm...no foul

MD350
89 Formula 350

Sickness91Z28

iTrader: (1)

Ok...this is what I know...as far as CAMARO'S go:

1987-1989 it WAS possible to get a 5.7 L98 with t-tops. The 5.7's through 87-89 didn't produce as much torque.

1990-1992 5.7 L98's and t-tops were unavailable. The 5.7 L98's thoughout those years produced to much torque and would twist the body. As for the Firebirds.....I have no idea....

blaznbrd

well here is the think it says 5.7 tuned port.. they guy who owns it did alittle more research and found out that it is indeed a 5.7 tpi, but somewhere along the line a pervious own swaped it in, put sub frame connectors and put the rear bumper on that said 5.7. Thanks guys.

87WS6

iTrader: (1)

I don't know about that. A friend of mine has a Formula Firebird 350 and his engine carries the alternate RPO code B2L. He says that he tried to get T-Tops on his 5.7L car and they wouldn't do it.

Guest

Well, there are at least 2 people here who own a 91-92 Formula with L98 and T-tops. One of them I have a picture of his RPO list somewhere.

Krazzycowgirl

I have seen 10 Stock 90-92 Camaros Zs with the Stock L98 & t-tops. All Were Dealer Optioned. Meaning the DEALERSHIP Ordered them with this combo.

87WS6

iTrader: (1)

Well the guy I know worked for GM at the time he ordered the car. Now he may have inadvertantly chosen another option that meat that he could not have T-Tops. I suppose that is possible. But they wouldn't let him have it that way.

owned

They didn't order them from the factory. They were C&C T-top cars, an aftermarket conversion. I've seen several T-top 91-92Z's with a 5.7L VIN, and every one has aftermarket tops.

As for the pontiac side, they were availible, in limited numbers. Thats why you would have been told they were unavailible, as it is likely the factory wasn't allowing dealers to modify their orders, they just had to live with what they were allocated.

This is a 1991 Formula L98 with T-tops.

Krazzycowgirl

I will ask Scott Settlemire when I see him in Augs.
Since I have seen Rpo codes from the Factory from each of these 10 cars.

91Zman

Until there is undeniable proof that u could get a 91-92 Z28 350 w/factory ttops it is just Scott Settlemeir sometimes frequents the 5th gen section at CamaroZ28.com as Red Planet,ask him there. NONE !

Krazzycowgirl

WHY ASK HIM THERE WHEN I CAN ASK HIM FACE TO FACE AT DINNER ON FRIDAY NIGHT????? OH YEA THATS IN AUGS.

87WS6

iTrader: (1)

The guy I know that worked for GM couldn't get T-Tops on his car has a Formula not a Camaro. So there goes that Pontiac theory.

It makes sense to me that you could get the aftermarket C&C T-Tops as a dealer item and not from GM. I can believe that easily.

If anyone has real factory T-Tops with an L98 or B2L engine (same thing) that bought thier car when it was new and is the original owner, then I will believe you could get it. Otherwise I would imagine they are either dealer installed or engine swaps.

Anyone who has proof on the contrary should feel free to chime in and end the debate.

Guest

When I go home and fire up my other computer, I will post a picture of his RPO list for you.

scottmoyer

Asking Scott Settlemire would be a waste of time. He did not work on the Camaro project team during the 3rd gen years. He would refer the question to someone else or even ask Jason Debler (camaroz28.com) for an answer. The TTop and L98 option was available on the 87-89 Camaros. 90-92 Camaros could not be ordered with both options. This subject has come up before and I believe someone mentioned that they have only seen a couple cars with these RPO codes during the 90-92 run. For the most part, they were not available. Almost all TTop Camaros that have the 350 from 90-92 are aftermarket jobs. I have yet to see proof that the 2 RPOs exist on the same Camaro from 90-92, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. In 1969, you could not order anything larger than a 396 in a Camaro, yet we have the Yenko's running with 427's from the factory. I'm sure some dealers were able to get special orders on the 3rd gen cars that most were not able to do. The only way to know for sure is to check for CC1 and L98 or B2L on the RPO sheet. They might exist, however, most of us have never seen the proof or the evidence that they really do exist.

owned

Once again, I have a factory 1991 B2L/CC1 car, clearly shown by the RPO sticker. They are not aftermarket tops, and the motor is a factory L98, proven by the vin, proven by the RPO's, proven by the equipment on the car, and proven by dissasembly. How much more do you want???

However, they were produced in very limited numbers. With any options group that is limited, it is common for the manufacturer to restrict dealers or other orderers to select those options. If everyone could, it would no longer be "limited". This is probably why your friend was unable to spec his car out as so, as I listed.

Being a GM employee doesn't mean anything as far as that goes. I love the misconception that working for a car manufacturer means you get to spec yourself a Z06 equipped S10 with full leather, navigation, a T56, and Vette brakes when you go to buy a car.

owned

Let me reiterate that my car is a FORMULA. I also know of several others, there are no less than 3 on www.3rdgen.org.

However, proof of a T-topped L98 91Z has yet to surface.

91Zman

YOU DID SAY AUGUST DIDN'T YOU?! THAT'S WHY I SAID TO ASK HIM THERE,WHY WAIT? OK

Krazzycowgirl

What they want is pics of the RPO sticker.

I agree I dont beleive everything that a GM Dealer says. Heck unless its something ONE of the High Officals at GM says then I would beleive it.

owned

Car.

owned

RPO.

Can we end the discussion every week about whether L98 T-top 1991-2 pontiacs exist now?

87WS6

iTrader: (1)

Ladies and gentlemen we have a WINNER!!!! :hail: The debate has now ended.

Sickness91Z28

iTrader: (1)

So is this discussion for the firebirds or camaro's?? I have seen a few firebirds with the 5.7 L98 90, 91, or 92's....but not any camaro's with the factory 5.7 L98 with t-tops(90-92)...

91Zman

for formulas-T/As ,not that there was any doubt about them,but the 91-92 350 FACTORY T-top Z28 debate is still on

Sickness91Z28

iTrader: (1)

exactly....i won't believe it till I see it with my own eyes....haha

Krazzycowgirl

Flame me if you wish But since 100% of both firebirds & Camaros were made at the SAME plant & at the same time. Why did only Firebirds ( remember the Firebirds were started productions way after the camaro (first gens)) come with the 350 & T-top combo & not the Camaros??

MD350

i agree, 2 models w/the same engines, at the same plant, you would think the major options would be the same...but who knows. i have included pics of my window sticker and build sheet to put to rest the formula portion.

this is an 89 Formula 350, B2L/L98 engine, CC1 T-Tops (not the glass replacement units, but the origional Lexan plastic ones), i am the second owner, my uncle was the first. he and my dad were driving bythe dealership when they saw this being unloaded, it was a dealer order, they took it home that afternoon.

MD350
Formula 350
4,014 miles and counting

MD350

here is the window sticker...

MD350
Formula 350
YES...4,014 actual miles

91Zman

Maybe because the Firebird-T/As always had gotten more of the frilly stuff(more luxury items or special treatment) while the camaro got little to none of that.I will always be skeptical until I see one myself,in books or otherwise.

scottmoyer

OK people. There is no dispute that the Firebirds or Formulas had both options. There is also no dispute that an 89 could have both ttops and the 350. In 89, it was available on the Camaro also. This thread was questioning the existence of the 91-92 CAMARO with both options. We all know that some birds have both. We (the 22,278 members of thirdgen.org) have yet to confirm that there is a 91 or 92 Camaro with both options! The dispute continues.

By the way, just as a reminder, here was the first post.

i was looking into buying this 91 z28. It has t-tops and 5.7 tpi. Is this the stock motor or did someone along the way to a swap? because i thought that you couldn't get the 5.7 with t-tops? thanks guys

91Zman

scottmoyer

I will have to say though, that I see nothing in the 90-92 brochures that states ttops not available with the 5.7 engine. I checked all the different brochures for these years, and see nothing, however, I remember arguing with a dealer about wanting them to order me a 5.7 with ttops in 1991 and he said it wasn't available. I didn't buy a new Camaro then because I wanted both on a new car.

grassyflats

check this out guys ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-...ht_52597wt_958

92purplehaze

iTrader: (8)

what about it? Its an "f" engine code

yo soy el warg

This is not a factory 5.7 with t-tops. It is a 5.0 LB9 with t-tops from the factory. So what is this suppose to prove?

grassyflats

yea ... they put the 5.7 TPI on the rear bumper ... lol ...
didnt switch to the 145 speedo tho
i know its modified ... not trying to prove anything

TTA 1387

WOW! brought back from the dead...

grassyflats

how many more good ol' threads can we bring back for a laugh ... lol

heres a dealer installed sunroof which is as about as close as you can get

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ht_7153wt_1047

i dont believe in c&c

Dusk2600

IK this is an old thread, theres a black formula 350/t-top for sale near me, did not know they existed either

navy02ws6

87-92 Formulas COULD be had with both the L98 and factory t-tops.

87-90 IROC/Z28/Trans Am/GTA could be had with L98 and factory t-tops.

So, in conclusion, no factory t-tops with L98 on 91-92 Z28/Trans Am/GTA, even though you COULD get them together on a Formula those years.

JT

iTrader: (1)

L98 and factory T-Tops was not available in 1988 on the GTA or Trans AM. Records have not shown any to exist, and the order forms state N/A. Canadian database does not show any existed there.

In 1987, L98 and factory T-Tops on the Trans Am and GTA was only available to exports (Canadian models).

1989 was a plentiful year for L98 and factory T-tops on the Trans AM and GTA.

1990-1992 the L98 and factory T-Tops disappeared, again, for the Trans AM and GTA.