What I have found out so far is that they made 66,605 sport coupes in '88 and 1,859 sport coupe convertibles. 922 cars were produced in yellow (yellow-gold). Yellow gold was not available on Irocs and yellow gold was discontinued after '88 so the only year you could purchase a yellow convertible was in '88. I know that Pontiac produced one yellow Firebird convertible in '88 and it is in the Pontiac museum. Doing the math, I come up with 1.3% of the sport coupes produced in yellow. 1.3% of 1,859 (total sport coupe convertibles produced) = 24 sport coupe convertibles produced in '88 in yellow and the only ones that were ever produced in that color, if the percentage for the total production holds true for the sport coupe convertibles. On top of this, about 3 months after I bought the car (new). A guy stopped me in a parking lot to talk to me about the car. The first thing he said was "you painted that car didn't you" and went on to tell me he was one of the three dedicated truck drivers for the camaro convertible factory in california and he had never seen one roll out of the factory in that color. I would really like to find the actual production numbers for '88 sport coupe convertibles for paint colors and transmissions. So, if anyone can help, I would surely appreciate it. If the car turns out not to have much collector value it's going to get 400+ h.p. and a bunch of other mods and I'm dying to get started on it. By the way it's also a 5 speed. Thanx. I tried to post a picture but it said my file was too large. ( it's 210 kb jpeg) any suggestions

 

Are you an accountant ?

Email your pic to me I will post it for you.

Throb_AC2@comcast.net

 

Accountant HA! Sorry about the long winded post.

 

I just liked the way you crunched the numbers....

 

85 T/A WS6 Thanks for posting the picture! Sorry about the quality. It's a scan of a pic on film we took when the car was one hour old. The front seats look incorrect because we put some cheap-o seat covers on it before we ever drove it.

 

nice looking car, eventually i want to have my Formula painted chrome yellow.

 

Wow, that is a very sharp Camaro.

I had no idea that you could get that color in 88. Judging by your story, and the fact that I have never heared of another Yellow 88 SC Vert, I think your car may be pretty uncommon.

 

WOW, that's nice!

Value or not, It's pretty uncommon. You can't say "rare", people get cranky.


.....I'd leave it alone!

 

What about things like sub frame connectors?...It needs one bad...they all do. And thanks for the compliments. We think it is pretty sharp too!

 

I want to know, what does your ground effect say or what's the picture where all Z28's have their emblem and RS's? or did your sc not have gfx and you just took some Z28 ones and stuck em' on?

 

88 Sport Coupes came with gfx and said "CAMARO" on the rockers and bumpers.

 

awww cool.

 

Yes the ground effects say "camaro". I have been told that all the graphics are the same size so the info I had about different GFX was incorrect. That is why I'm here to get reliable information. Thanks for all your help!.........................................................{original post }..That is why GM discontinued the Sport Coupe and replaced it with the RS, because the "Camaro" badge was larger than the Z28 badge and required different ground effects.

 

That's good to know. I originally thought no sc's came factory with gfx too.

 

Only thing I would change about that comment is that the SC is not the same as the RS. The RS always was more of the touring Camaro. What I mean by that is most SC's were stripped. No power ANYTHING, and usually were V6's, mine was an l03, but that was more luck than anything. While RS's on the other hand tended to come with power options. So in 89 they basically dropped the base camaro and only had the RS and above, which you could say the RS took over for the SC, but I honestly feel they are two different animals all together.

 

SCs were basically identical to 87 Z28s.( OOPS! should have said cosmetically identical...except for the hood of course) Ours is a 305 TBI/ T5 with the 3 piece low spoiler that is identical in style to the '70 1/2 Z28. But it does have crank windows so the part about no power anything may be right. I have been told that all '88 verts were v8s...Camaro White book lists '88 Camaro Sport coups only coming with V6s and Sport Coupe convertibles only coming with V8s. ( White book does list option groups 3 and 4 were available on SCs ). 5 speed convertibles were very hard to get in '88. We had the dealer search 6 states to find it, and he came up with only one...in yellow with 179 miles and never titled...we almost didn't buy it ..we didn't like yellow much, but it has really grown on us over the years, and we would not change the color for the world now. My brother had a 5 speed black IROC vert, and he let my wife drive it and that was it, she had to have one, and I would only go for the 5 speed, so we took it in yellow

 

My buddy's 87 Camaro SC is fully loaded. An LG4 5 speed, power everything, Ttops, spoiler, power hatch...interesting combo.

That yellow vert is new to me also. I'd say bolt on SFCs wouldn't hurt the value of the car, but I wouldn't do weld ons if you're concerned about that.

 

Since we are never going to sell the car. We have descided to go ahead and give it the horse power it deserves. All original parts we take off are going to be labled, properly preserved, and stored. I'm going to rebuild the 305 with all stock parts, seal it up and store it on an engine stand in the garage. I have just dropped in the 400 hp 350 and it runs like a raped ape. It's getting the bolt on SFCs before I put in a disc brake 12 bolt posi so I dont twist it when I get it to hook up.( right now it lights the one tire up for 100 yards at the 3rd to 4th upshift at 80 mph . ) I have wanted to build this car since the first day I bought it and it's rarity has always been almost a dissapointment. And who knows in several years I may descide to put it back to stock so I'm not going to do anything that would make that hard to do.Thanks for all your input. If anyone ever finds specific build numbers for Convertible colors and transmissions please let me know. I think I have one of aproximatly 24 yellow Camaro convertibles ever made and probably the only one ever made with a 5 speed but *** I would love to have real proof..not just an estimate.

 

I never noticed the SC's with ground effects either! I always liked the way SC's looked more than the rest cause of the lack of the GFX. I guess you really do learn something new everyday.

 

'88 was a strange production year......The Sport Coupe GFX is just another example.

 

Just to clear a few things up....
1. The 88 SC is not basically a Z28. It was the base model car for 88 and in no way replaced the Z. It was the first year that Chevrolet decided to start limiting the number of models it had.
2. The GFX are the same for the SC as they are for the IROC-Z as they are for the Z28 from 85-90 as they were on the 87-90 RS. They did not discontinue the SC because of the emblem. It's the same size as the Z28 emblem and the IROC-Z emblem and RS emblem. I have these emblems.
3. The 88 SC could be ordered in a variety of ways. The coupe could be had with just about every option available, except the engine choices. I had a V8 coupe with custom interior and power everything. It had option package 4.
4. Please be careful how you word things. This is a history board, please know the history before you speak it as truth to others.

here's my 88 SC.

 

The Camaro White book, page 111, under 1988 Camaro states "In front, the Sport Coupe model had the look of the previous year's Z28 with the Z28-style front fascia, lower aero panel, grill, and parking lamps. Sides had the Z-28's lower ground effects, color and body-color mirrors. " I did say " basically identical" and I should have said cosmetically identical, aside from the hood, of course. The next time you get a chance, measure the length of a Z28 or RS lower side emblem and let me know how long they are. They are 7" on the '88 Sport Coupes. I got the info on why they were changed from a car mag...Road and Track again I think.....I'll try to find the article on-line and put it up on here. I hope it was accurate because I've been quoting it for years. The White book lists no build numbers for Sport Coupes coming with a V-8, but it does list (L03) as a Sport Coupe option. It lists 1FP87 Camaro Sport Coupe , 6 cylinder......QTY...66,605, 1FP87 Camaro Sport Coupe Convertible, 8 cylinder....QTY.... 1,859, IROC-Z Coupe 8 cylinder...QTY...24,050, IROC-Z 8 cylinder...QTY 3,761....add them up and you 96,275....the total listed production for Camaros in '88, and nothing for 8 cylinder non convertible Sport Coupes. Seems to me there should have been at least some Sport Coupes ordered with the V 8 option. Could the "Camaro Bible" be wrong about '88 production numbers? Hmmmm maybe! As far as whats the truth? Well I didn't make this stuff up if that is what you are implying. I have been reasearching the '88 verts ...off and on for 16 years....since that guy in the parking lot got me wondering how uncommon my car might be. That is what I am doing in this site ...trying to find more accurate info. so anyone any time PLEASE correct me if I am wrong ......it's those corrections I am looking for!

 

These production numbers are getting confusing. It lists 42820 V6s produced so 23785 Sport Coupes must have come with V8s, or some combination of RSs and SCs. It also lists 7038 RSs were produced so the total production numbers do not add up. Unless the RSs were counted as SCs under the options production list. Sorry about my confusion but Chevy production data is sometimes like a mystery wrapped in an eniga. I do try to be extremely accurate. Here is all the data I can find: Camaro White Book 1967-2002 pages 110, 111, 112, 113.

Production 42,820 V6, 53,455 V8, 96275 total

Camaro Sport Coupe, V6, 66,605

Camaro Sport Coupe Convertible, V8, 1859

Camaro IROC-Z Coupe, V8, 24050

Camaro IROC-Z Convertible, 3761

Camaro Rally Sport, 7038

It doesn't add up does it?

 

Scott I just checked out your web site. Your car is amazing!

 

Mark,

A couple of points I should make. First, welcome to our site, our home away from home if you will.

Try not to get hung up on the production numbers too much. No official production numbers exist for your car. Chevrolet never has kept records of option combinations, only individual options (or exterior color). Therefore, no one will ever know how many yellow '88 SC convertibles were made. Yes, we can infer by using existing numbers and ratios, but how accurate is this method? Well, not very but it is really the only way to come up with a logical number. What cannot be included in this line of thinking is the human factor. In other words, desirability. Case in point: My convertible. It's a 1987 Z28 convertible. Keep in mind that the convertible was an option, RPO Z08. There were 744 Z28 convertibles produced in 1987. Now, in 1987 the IROC-Z was an option (RPO B4Z) on the Z28. We have an option combination!! That means no record exists of how many of those 744 Z28's were actually pure Z28's and how many were IROC-Z's. Without actually listing production numbers, boring the readers, 73 percent of all 1987 Z28's were IROC-Z's. That means that of the 744 convertibles, 543 were IROC-Z's and 201 were Z28's. Now, throw in the human factor. IROC-Z's were hot back then and every one wanted one. "Who wants a plain Z28 when you can have an IROC-Z???" was the line of thinking. And knowing that the 1987 IROC-Z convertible was top of the line Camaro for that year, it is my belief that there were more than 543 made. Obviously, this reduces the number of Z28's but no one knows for sure. I'm speculating that ~700 were IROC-Z's and ~74 were Z28's.

I have kept a registry of 1987 Z28 convertibles since 1994 and have confirmed twelve. In the same timeframe, I have located slightly over 100 IROC-Z's. Of the twelve, ten have the LG4/auto and only two have the TPI/5-spd. These were the only available drivetrains in the convertible Z28 (IROC-Z or not). I own one of the two. Mine is fully equipped while the other has no options except A/C.

Considering the rarity of my car and the fact that only the convertibles were labeled anniversary Camaros, I will not be modifying it in any way. In fact, the polished/painted IROC-Z wheels you see in the pic will soon be replaced with the original wheels.

The 1988 SC rockers are identical to any other third gen Camaro with them. It would not make sense for GM to retool an existing die only to match a "new" emblem. It's much easier to make the "CAMARO" emblem match the indented shape already found in the rocker. Incidentally, my "Z28" rocker emblem is also seven inches long.

 

Thanks for info..I'll go back and edit my post about the GFX..don't want any bad info on here with my name on it. I understand what you are saying about the production numbers and I had resigned myself to never knowing the info I seek on my car. I was hoping that someone on here had ASCs build records but I guess that was wishful thinking. I really enjoy this site and all of the members cars. I completely respect purist owners wanting to keep their cars stock for their historical value. And I feel your pain at never knowing just how historically significant your '87 Z28 convertible is. VERY significant would be my guess. BTW there is a low milage,(32957) white '87 IROC vert on e-bay for sale right now bids are up to $6,100. buy it now is $14,900........http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2470118405

 

Mark P.
Don't feel attacked. I wasn't attacking when I was setting the record straight. Magazines are part of the media. The information they post can be skewed heavily based on the writers opinions or on what they think is accurate.

Please do not change your post. If you do, it will not make sense to people that pull this up later. If you make the corrections, it will make me look stupid when people try to figure out why I'm correcting you on things you weren't wrong about!

My correction regarding the SC not being like the Z28 was in reference to your comment, SCs were basically identical to 87 Z28s. In appearance only. There were still differences that are easily noticable, but that's what I was responding to.

Unfortunately the White Book isn't 100% accurate either. It's seems to be the most accurate, but is still fallible. The 88 SC Coupe with a V8 is one instance. You said they don't mention it but as an option, but I had one. The wonderful 1 wheel wonder that it was.

I think the publisher needs to be contacted regarding these numbers.
Production 42,820 V6, 53,455 V8, 96275 total

Camaro Sport Coupe, V6, 66,605

How can you have 66605 V6 SC's, when only 42820 V6s were produced?

Welcome to the board and I think you do have a rare car. As was already mentioned, not very many 88 SC converts, but with yellow? Rare and worth keeping

 

....and I had resigned myself to never knowing the info I seek on my car.

Nor I on my car. You and me both, bud. We'll never know. Suffice it today, the total number is extremely low. We'll just have to learn to accept this.


I was hoping that someone on here had ASCs build records but I guess that was wishful thinking.

Actually, ASC did keep records but only on total production. I talked to them about ten years ago. Unfortunately, this number which I wrote down (pre-computer days) was lost. I do recall that ASC's number was within a handful of GM's official number of 1,007 (263 SC / 744 Z28). I cannot explain the discrepancy, nor could ASC.


I completely respect purist owners wanting to keep their cars stock for their historical value.

I am the same. This is why I choose to keep my convertible stock and mod my coupe.


And I feel your pain at never knowing just how historically significant your '87 Z28 convertible is. VERY significant would be my guess.

I'm hoping for the same. What I find interesting is that NADA's value guide lists the '87 Z28 convertible's value HIGHER than the '87 IROC-Z convertible, which is the same car with a higher priced option package! I feel this says something about the production numbers being significantly lower.


Unfortunately the White Book isn't 100% accurate either. It's seems to be the most accurate, but is still fallible.

When the October 1996 edition was published, it originally listed 3,452 IROC-Zs in 1987 out of a total Z28 production of 53,607. Knowing that most Z28's came with the IROC-Z option in 1985 & 1986, something didn't make sense. Further inspection of the White Book showed that 38,889 Camaros came with the 50-series tires. What? The IROC-Z is the only Camaro that uses these so I immediately knew there was a discrepancy. I contacted the publishers and this error was corrected. In all actuality, it was not the publisher's fault. Read my sticky post on 1987 option production numbers at the top of this forum. It explains everything. Fortunately for you, Chevrolet straightened out this mess in 1988.
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More stuff:
Here are production numbers for the 1987 & 1988 RS:

1987: 6,618 (Reported from a source very close to GM)
1988: 7,038 (Reported in the White Book)

These cars were not "official" and were sold to test the market for such a variant. The V6 was the only available engine. In 1987, they were sold only in California. In 1988, in California, Texas and Florida. Speculation: Because they were not "official", I believe these figures were not included in the total build number for each year. Like you mentioned, if you do include them, the numbers don't add up.

Willie

 

I did not feel attacked Scott....but I was scared s***less that I put up some wrong data and made a complete fool of my self Thank you for setting the record straight. I feel honored to be conversing with 3rd gen historians who obviously know more about these cars than even GM. or the White book. I altered my previous post but it shows my original error..Incorrect Data is just B.S. and I have waded through enough B.S. in my quest for info about my vert to know that I do not want to be source of any confusion on these cars. Willie: Who knows maybe someone who cared worked at either the GM Camaro factory or at ASC and someday we will have some real hard proof. If I ever come across any new information on early 3rd gen verts I'll make sure and get it to you. I think I'm going to try calling GM.

 

I'll be out of town till next weekend...see you then.

 

The new motor is in ( '70 vette 350 / 4 bolt ...LT1???? )....Long tube headers....AFR 190 heads ( used ) comming tuesday.....Holley Stealth Ram as soon as I decide to buy the whole kit or buy a used TPI ECM and harness.

 

NICE car! I have never seen that yellow/gold combo either.

Too bad you didn't leave it stock....but I had a TBI auto once so I feel your pain and would probably change it to TPI myself.

 

Thank you for the compliment. I understand you feelings about keeping it stock...that is why it was never modified in 16 years...we knew it had certain potential as a collector car.....but ...my wife and I have always loved the car and put 100k miles on it before we parked it..and the sun really faded the yellow paint..so it has sat..parked for the last few years while I argued with myself over which direction to take the rebuild....and I have come to the conclusion that I would never be happy with it stock...never have been...I am a hot rodder..always have been and always will be and @#$$ it ...it's MY car ..not the collecter's or the purist's.

 

I love the color on that car, I really plan on getting my IROC-Z that way when I get one

 

Willie, Here's one for ya.... I just found out that Yellow was available on Z28s in '87, and after crunching some numbers, there is a theoretical probability that 2 non IROC Z28 verts were produced in Yellow......and that is using your 10% Z28 to IrocZ vert production estimate . Man, if a factory yellow Z28 vert exists................ I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There were aproximatly 20 verts produced in yellow in '87. 24 in '88 making mine one of aproximatly 44 ever produced, not quite as uncommon as I thought but still a very very low production number.

 

Manaul 5 speed in an 88 iroc-z with 305? how rare is it?

 

They got a guy that works at the local Advanced Auto that drives a yellow/gold convertable. Personally i dont like it but its still cool in its whole retro 80's theme.