When did the firebird begin production?
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When did the firebird begin production?
According to “Camaro, the third generation” the Camaro began production on 10/12/81 at Van Nuys and 10/26/81 at Norwood.
But when did the firebird begin production? I believe it started later but I have not seen any dates?
Anyone know the day?
But when did the firebird begin production? I believe it started later but I have not seen any dates?
Anyone know the day?
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Re: When did the firebird begin production?
Originally posted by wildjeff
According to “Camaro, the third generation” the Camaro began production on 10/12/81 at Van Nuys and 10/26/81 at Norwood.
But when did the firebird begin production? I believe it started later but I have not seen any dates?
Anyone know the day?
According to “Camaro, the third generation” the Camaro began production on 10/12/81 at Van Nuys and 10/26/81 at Norwood.
But when did the firebird begin production? I believe it started later but I have not seen any dates?
Anyone know the day?
What are you talking about
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Re: When did the firebird begin production?
Originally posted by wildjeff
According to “Camaro, the third generation” the Camaro began production on 10/12/81 at Van Nuys and 10/26/81 at Norwood.
But when did the firebird begin production? I believe it started later but I have not seen any dates?
Anyone know the day?
According to “Camaro, the third generation” the Camaro began production on 10/12/81 at Van Nuys and 10/26/81 at Norwood.
But when did the firebird begin production? I believe it started later but I have not seen any dates?
Anyone know the day?
i think my sequential unit numbe ron my van nuys 82 t/a is 5xxxxx
95% sure
ill have to look on it again
i assume thats xxxxxxthone off the van nuys line for 82 year
so thats late i assume,
anyoen know total bird productioin for 82 ?
maybe if its late then that explains why it got the drum rear but the biggest sway bars and such
good luck
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Total production for the ’82 firebird was:
Base 41,683
S/E 21,719
Trans Am 52,962
Total 116364
My invoice date is 9/30/82 and sequence number is 5xxxxxx. If you have rear drums and the largest sway bar you probably have WS7. That’s what I have and it would make sense, rear disk brakes where gone mid year.
The delivery date of my car is 11/06/82 and the dealer it was delivered to is different then the dealer that order it. It looks like it was order, the deal fell through and it sat for a bit waiting to go to another dealer.
Base 41,683
S/E 21,719
Trans Am 52,962
Total 116364
My invoice date is 9/30/82 and sequence number is 5xxxxxx. If you have rear drums and the largest sway bar you probably have WS7. That’s what I have and it would make sense, rear disk brakes where gone mid year.
The delivery date of my car is 11/06/82 and the dealer it was delivered to is different then the dealer that order it. It looks like it was order, the deal fell through and it sat for a bit waiting to go to another dealer.
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wow so 116k total
my 82 is 67,676 unit number
08E date
so tey were only about halfway through the production run in the 8th month of 82 ??
wow...
were they slow or what ?
my 82 z28 is a few weeks earlier than the T/A- at 08A,
but is 96,631 unit number
wierd ??
birds took longer to build than maros ?
or is this all wrong and actually the sequential unit number was combined for birds and maros ?
oh wait... what plant ??
two plants, two models, one year
116k total was for Van Nuys ?
just birds ?
were maros and birds combined unit numbers at a plant ?
oh boy...
my 82 is 67,676 unit number
08E date
so tey were only about halfway through the production run in the 8th month of 82 ??
wow...
were they slow or what ?
my 82 z28 is a few weeks earlier than the T/A- at 08A,
but is 96,631 unit number
wierd ??
birds took longer to build than maros ?
or is this all wrong and actually the sequential unit number was combined for birds and maros ?
oh wait... what plant ??
two plants, two models, one year
116k total was for Van Nuys ?
just birds ?
were maros and birds combined unit numbers at a plant ?
oh boy...
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116k is total for both plants.
Camaros and Firebirds took roughly the same amount of time to build, they where on the same line. There where more Camaros build so maybe that’s why the sequence number is higher at about the same time.
Both plants produced both cars. I would like to know if there is any overlap in sequence numbers. Could there be cars with VIN
1G2AS87HXCN100001
AND
1G2AS87HXCL100001
The only difference is the L and N for the assembly plant. Is that possible?
Camaros and Firebirds took roughly the same amount of time to build, they where on the same line. There where more Camaros build so maybe that’s why the sequence number is higher at about the same time.
Both plants produced both cars. I would like to know if there is any overlap in sequence numbers. Could there be cars with VIN
1G2AS87HXCN100001
AND
1G2AS87HXCL100001
The only difference is the L and N for the assembly plant. Is that possible?
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actually the VIns should read:
1G2AS87H?CN200001 (possibly 500001)
AND
1G2AS87H?CL200001 (possibly 500001)
1G2AS87H?CN200001 (possibly 500001)
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1G2AS87H?CL200001 (possibly 500001)
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Originally posted by wildjeff
Both plants produced both cars. I would like to know if there is any overlap in sequence numbers. Could there be cars with VIN
1G2AS87HXCN100001
AND
1G2AS87HXCL100001
The only difference is the L and N for the assembly plant. Is that possible?
Both plants produced both cars. I would like to know if there is any overlap in sequence numbers. Could there be cars with VIN
1G2AS87HXCN100001
AND
1G2AS87HXCL100001
The only difference is the L and N for the assembly plant. Is that possible?
Norwood built 2.5L Firebird - 1G2AS8720CN5xxxxx
Van Nuys built 2.5L Firebird - 1G2AS8726CL5xxxxx
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Are you guys aware that the Chevy branded car is called a CAMARO? I have no clue what a maro is and it sounds stupid. Two extra letters can't possibly be that hard to type!!!
Originally posted by scottmoyer
Are you guys aware that the Chevy branded car is called a CAMARO? I have no clue what a maro is and it sounds stupid. Two extra letters can't possibly be that hard to type!!!
Are you guys aware that the Chevy branded car is called a CAMARO? I have no clue what a maro is and it sounds stupid. Two extra letters can't possibly be that hard to type!!!
Originally posted by Y84
No more than an abreviated name that has been around since the 1st gens, before you were born. Just like "stang".
No more than an abreviated name that has been around since the 1st gens, before you were born. Just like "stang".
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kind of like 'Bird?
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Getting a little off topic, I guess that means no one knows when the 82’ firebird began production?
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January 9, 1926 - First Pontiac is Build
February 23, 1967 - 1st Gen Firebird Debuts in dealerships
February 26, 1970 - 2nd Gen Debuts in dealerships
January 14, 1982 - 3rd Gen Debuts in dealerships
February 1, 1993 - 4th Gen Debuts in dealerships
Not the beginning of production the only info I have.
Thanks to My 2003 & 2004 Firebird Calindars.
John
February 23, 1967 - 1st Gen Firebird Debuts in dealerships
February 26, 1970 - 2nd Gen Debuts in dealerships
January 14, 1982 - 3rd Gen Debuts in dealerships
February 1, 1993 - 4th Gen Debuts in dealerships
Not the beginning of production the only info I have.
Thanks to My 2003 & 2004 Firebird Calindars.
John
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yeh this one got a little off topic, partly my fault i apologize
it seems no one does have actual date of when the third gens started production
hmm
and on a side note the abbreviations maro and bird are ones that i use alot
yes its just quicker typing,
its just two examples of words that you just automatically short type often,
well some of us anyways
no reason to be mad or anything about it
we all know what maro and bird mean- in on this forum- keyboard language,
no need to get mad
take a break away form the internet if youre truly mad about it ? could be a sign that youre online too much haha :P
i should speak for myself eh
im not pointing at anyone specificlaly or anything like that, im just sayin
?
yep yep
good luck
it seems no one does have actual date of when the third gens started production
hmm
and on a side note the abbreviations maro and bird are ones that i use alot
yes its just quicker typing,
its just two examples of words that you just automatically short type often,
well some of us anyways
no reason to be mad or anything about it
we all know what maro and bird mean- in on this forum- keyboard language,
no need to get mad
take a break away form the internet if youre truly mad about it ? could be a sign that youre online too much haha :P
i should speak for myself eh
im not pointing at anyone specificlaly or anything like that, im just sayin
?
yep yep
good luck
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Originally posted by okfoz
January 9, 1926 - First Pontiac is Build
February 23, 1967 - 1st Gen Firebird Debuts in dealerships
February 26, 1970 - 2nd Gen Debuts in dealerships
January 14, 1982 - 3rd Gen Debuts in dealerships
February 1, 1993 - 4th Gen Debuts in dealerships
Not the beginning of production the only info I have.
Thanks to My 2003 & 2004 Firebird Calindars.
John
January 9, 1926 - First Pontiac is Build
February 23, 1967 - 1st Gen Firebird Debuts in dealerships
February 26, 1970 - 2nd Gen Debuts in dealerships
January 14, 1982 - 3rd Gen Debuts in dealerships
February 1, 1993 - 4th Gen Debuts in dealerships
Not the beginning of production the only info I have.
Thanks to My 2003 & 2004 Firebird Calindars.
John
Let us not forget: "Trans Am" was first an option in 1969 and then a sub-model version in 1970 !
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> January 14, 1982 - 3rd Gen Debuts in dealerships
This is real funny, because!
The Pontiac documentation for my car clearly shows that the owner orginal promise to buy car on Jan 11th 1982. I'm that owner. And the car was being advertised on the local ABC station out of Harrisonburg Va more then a week before I test drove the car on the Jan 2, 1982. During January of 1982 we had a lots of bad weather like snow, ice, etc.
On Monday Jan 11, 1982 we had an ice storm in the Shenandoah Valley. On that morning I had an accident on the way to work driving my 1980 Honda Prelude. I remember calling the dealership later that morning and telling the saleman that I wanted the V8 Firebird. The rest is history
This is real funny, because!
The Pontiac documentation for my car clearly shows that the owner orginal promise to buy car on Jan 11th 1982. I'm that owner. And the car was being advertised on the local ABC station out of Harrisonburg Va more then a week before I test drove the car on the Jan 2, 1982. During January of 1982 we had a lots of bad weather like snow, ice, etc.
On Monday Jan 11, 1982 we had an ice storm in the Shenandoah Valley. On that morning I had an accident on the way to work driving my 1980 Honda Prelude. I remember calling the dealership later that morning and telling the saleman that I wanted the V8 Firebird. The rest is history
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I went to the library yesterday and found two magazines called Automotive News Market Data Book 1982 and Market Data Book 1983. They list production numbers of US cars.
For the ’82 firebird:
It looks like production started in November ’81 which would make sense because it gives GM time to get the cars out to dealers for their 1/14/82 press release. It also looks like there were 91 pilot cars built in October ’81.
For the ’82 firebird:
- November 1981 = 1,602
- December 1981 = 3,900
- January 1982 = 6,773
- February 1982 = 8,730
- March 1982 = 11,510
- April 1982 = 12,308
- May 1982 = 13,931
- June 1982 = 14,965
- July 1982 = 14,133
- August 1982 = 15,882
- September 1982 = 12,539
- Total = 116,273
- Reported Production = 116,364
- Difference = 91
It looks like production started in November ’81 which would make sense because it gives GM time to get the cars out to dealers for their 1/14/82 press release. It also looks like there were 91 pilot cars built in October ’81.
Announcement date was Thursday November 19, 1981 (Dealers had demo and display models and started taking orders).
Press Release date was Wednesday December 2, 1981.
The first ordered cars were delivered January 14. 1982.
These dates according to Sales Information Bulletins (SIB) regarding Firebird models from G. L. Schmid, Pontiac Sales Promotion Manager.
Press Release date was Wednesday December 2, 1981.
The first ordered cars were delivered January 14. 1982.
These dates according to Sales Information Bulletins (SIB) regarding Firebird models from G. L. Schmid, Pontiac Sales Promotion Manager.
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Originally posted by wildjeff
I went to the library yesterday and found two magazines called Automotive News Market Data Book 1982 and Market Data Book 1983. They list production numbers of US cars.
For the ’82 firebird:
It looks like production started in November ’81 which would make sense because it gives GM time to get the cars out to dealers for their 1/14/82 press release. It also looks like there were 91 pilot cars built in October ’81.
I went to the library yesterday and found two magazines called Automotive News Market Data Book 1982 and Market Data Book 1983. They list production numbers of US cars.
For the ’82 firebird:
- November 1981 = 1,602
- December 1981 = 3,900
- January 1982 = 6,773
- February 1982 = 8,730
- March 1982 = 11,510
- April 1982 = 12,308
- May 1982 = 13,931
- June 1982 = 14,965
- July 1982 = 14,133
- August 1982 = 15,882
- September 1982 = 12,539
- Total = 116,273
- Reported Production = 116,364
- Difference = 91
It looks like production started in November ’81 which would make sense because it gives GM time to get the cars out to dealers for their 1/14/82 press release. It also looks like there were 91 pilot cars built in October ’81.
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I just noticed there is a typo in the PHS production numbers packet I received. For the ’82 firebird production they have 116362 and show Trans Am production to be 52,960. But in the engine break down section a few pages later for the Trans Am they show a total of 52,962, a difference of 2. The production stats on the first page are off by two, or maybe its just my copy. They are correct on thirdgen.org tech page though.
Anybody want to Carfax a few thousand VINs? I tried using a wildcard to see if I could get multiple results but it didn’t work.
Anybody want to Carfax a few thousand VINs? I tried using a wildcard to see if I could get multiple results but it didn’t work.
Here is one for you to figure out.
Last '82 Firebird model, a Trans Am, from Van Nuys: 1G2AW8775CL576632
Last '82 Firebird model, a Trans Am, from Norwood: 1G2AW87H8CN539961
Both VIN's can be checked on Carfax.
Going by the last 5 digits, they add up to 116593.
231 more than the 116364 figure.
320 more than the 116273 figure.
So which is really the true figure?
Last '82 Firebird model, a Trans Am, from Van Nuys: 1G2AW8775CL576632
Last '82 Firebird model, a Trans Am, from Norwood: 1G2AW87H8CN539961
Both VIN's can be checked on Carfax.
Going by the last 5 digits, they add up to 116593.
231 more than the 116364 figure.
320 more than the 116273 figure.
So which is really the true figure?
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interesting stuff
well now i know that mine is a really late built one
wildjeffs was built damn near at the end of of the production even more than mine was lol
dang
well now i know that mine is a really late built one
wildjeffs was built damn near at the end of of the production even more than mine was lol
dang
I have a 1990 firebird, vin ends with 210019. Mfg. date is 10/89, does that mean I have the 19th car off the line? This is my first 3rd gen of anykind. I paid 2600 for it last week and its got 88000 mi., near perfect cond. although it has a v6 this car is cherry! Try for pics later, how many produced in 1990? From what I've read they only mfg. them for half the year, is this true?
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Number 210019 would be the 10019th car off the line. Pontaics (usually) start their sequence with a 200001 and Chevy starts with 100001... 1990 was a short production year as they were all made in 1989, none in 1990.
Whats odd is I rarely see any cars that have a Vin lower than 01000... BUt it would seem that there are at least 22,000 3rd gens out there, I have seen 3rd gen Firehawks and Cars that are not suposed to exist but very cars with vins lower than 1000. I had a girlfrend with a 94 Mustang Convertible with the VIN 01001... While at a car show we asked a FORD executive if this was one of the first Mustang convertibles and he was not sure as he claimed that the VIN sequence did not necessarily determine the sequence off the line, as some cars would be pulled aside and corrected or modified and then stuffed back into the line later... didn't make sence to me either.
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Whats odd is I rarely see any cars that have a Vin lower than 01000... BUt it would seem that there are at least 22,000 3rd gens out there, I have seen 3rd gen Firehawks and Cars that are not suposed to exist but very cars with vins lower than 1000. I had a girlfrend with a 94 Mustang Convertible with the VIN 01001... While at a car show we asked a FORD executive if this was one of the first Mustang convertibles and he was not sure as he claimed that the VIN sequence did not necessarily determine the sequence off the line, as some cars would be pulled aside and corrected or modified and then stuffed back into the line later... didn't make sence to me either.
John
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