Just watched barret jackson auction on speed and they featured a white/gold 1984 Z28 with 7 original miles, they siad the car was in a dealer showroom for years and was finally recently purchased but is still a no-owner vehicle. The hosts seemed pretty stoked on it ,I was too just goes to show how are cars are starting to be treated now that they are becoming classics!

 

It was on ebay earlier this year, Just sold for $27,500.

And it sold for that because it had 6 miles on it and it was a heavily optioned car, not really considered a classic just yet.

 

but to sell at 2x the original sticker price shows that people are looking at these cars. If the 3rd gens weren't worth anything to anyone, then the car would have sold close to it's original sticker. The market is starting to swing in our direction. The generation that remembers the 84 cars as new are in their late 30s to mid 50s. In some cases, these same people have kids about to leave the homestead and go out on their own or the kids have already left. The older crowd was in their mid 20s when the 84 was released. How many of those people with young families wished they could have owned one of these in their 20s? Now's their chance and we'll start seeing the values increase. The 87 Grand National is already going thru the roof, and clean 86-88 Monte Carlos are increasing if their in good shape.

 

I missed it on TV so had to check the website.She is a beauty and Scott you make a valid point.I bought a new '85 Monte SS to compliment my '70 Monte SS but had to sell her due to job transfer.And I had a few friends buy new Z28s in '82 -84 that wish they still had them.But starting a family meant the toy had to go.But to find with only 6 miles and only missing the t-tops from what I see oh so nice.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli.../w_search.aspx

 

The car without t tops is not the car that sold for $27,500. That was lot #104 in 2003, Palm Beach, a BERLINETTA, that one went for $2,700. The 84 Z28 (Lot #463, 2008 Scottsdale) with 6 miles is the one we are talking about.

 

I SEE CLEAN PARTS!!!! QUICK, RUSH HIM!!!

 

oh ****,, sorry guys i just posted another thread about this car. i should have read the new posts first.. oh well..
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ive been saying that same thing for years now...

 

Krisb410 lot # 463 at the 2008 Scottsdale Barret-Jackson is a white '84 Z28 with Silver GFX.She also has the Mutli-Camaro seats with an otherwise charcoal custom interior/L69/5 speed.It's listed as having just 6 miles still on the dealer sheet which means it could be still on the MSO.The listed price for her is $27,500.

EDIT:Apparently the link I posted doesn't take you to the correct page.I apologize for that.

 

I was watching a few days ago and they had what appeared to be a 1985 or 86 (based on the tail lights ) Trans Am Autoform Convertible getting ready to go on the block... I would be interested to see what that goes for...

John

 

According to their website, they list the 85 Trans Am as selling for $20000. It had 43k miles. They also sold a 1988 Trans Am for $23k. It had 4k miles and carried the 350. For those that don't believe low mile cars or early 80s cars carry a value, they had a 80 Turbo Trans Am Bandit edition with 7300 miles sell for $63000.

 

My wife and I watched as this car sold. Afterwards, she asked me a question about the car I could not answer. In our 24 years of marriage, I believe this is the first time this has happened. The question: Does the buyer of this car get the new car warranty?

 

You will continue to see good cars seperate from the near-dead beaters and punk rides as time goes by. I bought a decent 88 IROC last summer for $4k, and I am still pleased with the buy. I am one of those people who owned these cars new, having bought an 82 Z28 in the same color scheme as this auction car. I am fortunate to be in that group that remembers these 3rd gens as new cars. I can tell you that I have owned plenty of cars since, and only my 06 Viper Coupe attracts the kind of attention now that my Z did back in 82. Keep in mind that a new f body had not been seen since 1970, and that the automotive landscape was devoid of anything exciting other than a few nameplates that had some pretense of sportiness. You cannot judge an old car by new car standards. Instead, you have to look at how the old car fit in amongst other cars of its age group. The 3rd gen cars were outstanding in terms of handling (still are!) and good looks. They did far more for GM than the 4th gen cars in terms of profits and units produced. A strong argument can be made that the performance era we live in now traces its roots right back to the epic 1982 intro of the 3rd gens and Ford's response with the rebopped 5.0 Stang. From there, it slowly spilled over into other cars as manufacturers realized that maybe it was okay to build exciting cars again. These cars are fondly remembered by lots of people in my age group, and will be more sought after in coming years. Right now, they are living under the junker reputation, but that will change. I remember 1st and 2nd gen cars in the same light, as zillions of them were Bondoed, coat hangered, glass packed, spray painted, shagged carpetted, engine swapped, air shocked, side piped, etc. on their way to the trash heap. The ones remaining today somehow escaped that, and some decent 3rd gens will too. Thanks, Oldtimer.

 

When the 3rd Generation Camaro & Firebird were introduced at one of the Auto Shows ( Car & Driver on the Chicago Auto show) he had this to say:
"...And there was one year in the Seventies when the only fun to be had at all at the auto show was watching the guy with the nine-way vegetable slicer turn cabbage into, well, smaller cabbage.
This year he could have been slicing cocaine and no one would have noticed. At least not within a mile of the new Firebird. Firebirds and Camaros stopped the show like a terrorist bomb attack. They made the Ferrari BB512i look lumpy and Teutonic. They made the Mercedes 380SL look middle-aged and Italian. In point of looks, they blew the air dams off every sporty car at the show. This includes, I'm afraid, their cousin the Corvette. It was odd to penetrate the densest crowd at the Chevy exhibit and find something other than the venerable fiber-sided datemobile. If gazed at too long the Firebirds and Camaros turned the rest of the show into a used-car lot.
Incidentally, the Firebird is better than the Camaro--a cleaner design and a big relief after all those years when it looked like a Camaro that had been visited by a lawn-ornament salesman."
- By: P.J. O'Rourke.

 

There was a thread on that car a few months ago as I recall
the underside was rusty and dirty, as was the engine and water pump
the radio was wrong
and the car had "issues"

I think the dealer did "OK" though he would have done WAY better if had sold the car in 84 and put the $15,000 into treasury bonds.

 

It might have been dusty.. They siad its been inside a dealer showroom since 1984 and i dont think it would have sold for $27,000 if it had rust and dirt all over it. I WANNA SEE A PIC

 

Here are the pictures of the '84 Z28 from Barret-Jackson.She is a beaty just missing the t-tops to have every option for '84.

 

There are some more pictures here too

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...-camaro-z.html

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...amaro-z-2.html


Interesting on Ebay it got to about $18,000 never made reserve and the seller got all p!ssy that people were wondering about the "issues" with the car
1) The window sticker didn't match the options (Window sticker says LG4)
2) The radio was wrong with the wrong buttons
3) The seat belt retractors looked broken
4) Based on the engine condition (rusty) it had spent a good portion of its life outside or in VERY humid storage
5) The tires were mounted inside out
6) Door jams and pedals were dirty

etc etc etc... If you are going to pitch a car as a low mile survivor it needs to be a little more minty then that car was... Sure its nice and I'm sure it only had 6.5 miles on her... but up till now she has had a very hard life.

I suspect (hope) he cleaned it up for the BJ auction. He can feel a little vindicated that the car sold for $27,500 and the ebay reserve was $27,000...
Except you have to factor the cost to ship the car to the BJ auction, the entry fee, the commission's etc.

Oh ya and it was missing A/C too.

 

Be sure you have the details before you post. The sticker states L69 HO, radio buttons are easily replaced, seat belt retractors are working the way they did in 84 (my 87 does the same thing), any unfinished steel product can rust like that in any environment, especially up north with extreme temp changes, raised white tires were standard on the Z but was creditted when blackwalls were requested. They are preiod correct tires. The little dirt on the jams and pedals is easily cleaned up and insignificant when dealing with this car. There were alot of cars with no AC in 84. I had an 87 pickup without AC in NJ and I survived just fine, so a PA car without AC can be common. I have also seen many 82-85 Z28s with chrome *****. Not sure why, but even the low mile originals are being seen with them which tells me that it was whatever came from the parts bin!

 

I factory ordered 83 doesn't have A/C. That was in response to the comment that this car was a full load minus T-tops. That car is nowhere near a full load.

Lots of 82-87 cars have chrome radio buttons because someone swapped the ration with one from a Olds or a Buick... The grey buttons on this one are from a Pontiac.

This car was/is nice no argument... no argument that bare metal left out side will rust... bare metal in dry storage should not be that rusty. I've seen dead F-bodies in wrecking yards with less rust on the engine. The car was pitch as being stored INSIDE I didn't know the temps swung that much inside a showroom.

 

ur7x...

I think it should be pointed out to you and anyone else who really wants to argue about the color of the radio *****... I have MANY MANY MANY family members and reletives who work or more correctly (worked) in factories, plants etc. Things like *****, screws little things which "Should" be one way are not Always There are cases where the line would run out of a screw, instead of shutting down the entire line and wait for the supply of screws to come in someone would go to a local hardware store, buy something that would work and use them on brand new cars, it is not unheard of. ALSO things like a particular radio they might have run out that day and someone put in another radio, it again is not impossible. Firebirds with Camaro Interiors, Camaros with Firebird interiors, happen, there was an S-10 at a dealer lot that the rear and RH side all had S-15 emblems, the front and left side had S-10 emblems, and it came from the factory just like that. A GTA at the Trans Am nationals has only 1 sail panel bird because it came from the factory just like that, he has one to put on the car but never has.

Just because it is suposed to be a certain way does not mean it WAS that way originally, things are not always as cut in stone as we would like.

Also White Wall tires were an option until 1987 ...

John

 

I'll give you the grey radio ***** since Pontiac's and Chevy's went down the same line at Van Nuys... It would be easy to stick a Poncho radio in a Chevy... A silver knobbed Oldsmobile radio is a different story

But while we are being 100% accurate here, White Wall tires were NOT an always an option until 1987. I dug out my dealer books:

1982:
SC 195/75R14 Black wall tires
Ber 205/70R14 Black wall tires
Z28 215/65R15 White letter tire
(no white wall tire option and all Zee's came with the white letters only)

1983 & 84:
SC 195/75R14 White wall (glass or steel belts)
SC 195/75R14 Black wall (steel belt only)
Ber 205/70R14 White wall
Ber 205/70R14 Black Wall
Ber 205/70R15 White letter tire
Z28 215/65R15 White letter tire

So your point about the tires is sorta right. In 1982 no white wall tires were offered. In 1983 and 1984 they were offered only in the SC and Bernetta

But in all three years 82/83/84 The Zee's came with white letter Eagle GT tires only.

Having said that, did I personally see a fair share of Black-wall Z28's on showroom floors in 1982/83 & 84, or for that matter Z28s with "Uniroyal" or "BFG" tires? You bet... All of these were swapped by the dealer.

I guess for me I have two basic issues with this car...
1) If I'm going to spend $27,000 for a ~24 year old survivor it had better be perfect. That car wasn't. Before it goes in a museum I hope the new owner fixes some of those (albeit minor) issues. But more important,
2) I would struggle spending $27,000 on a car that you can't drive. I mean ya you could drive this car... But as soon as you do it will go from $27,000 survivor to a $8,000 " nice L69 Zee" really fast. I buy my cars to drive!

 

I think you are also assuming that being advertised as stored indoors means in the climate controlled showroom. This might not be the case. I have seen it rain in a garage in MN because the garage was not heated. Cars get pulled in and the snow melts because the car's engine warms the garage up. The vapor rises and then refreezes on the rafters in the garage. The next day, the sun comes out and the frozen rafters drip on everything. The car might have been inside, but that doesn't mean a showroom. During spring, the concrete will be colder than the actual air temp which causes condensation also. This evaporates onto the undercarriage of the car just above it. I'll bet the car will have less rust on it if it was parked outside, year round in a warmer climate where it does rain. This rust came from underneath.

 

We could debate and nit pick the details all day.But i have to add on the Z28 white letter vs black letter tires,as Scottmoyer pointed out earlier,they could be substituted for credit.And in a particular case,along the lines okfoz stated,some late production'83 Z28s(late May - June time frame)had the black letter Eagle GTs substituted for the white letter due to supply shortage.

And scottmoyer also makes an excellent point on the indoor storage.Unless it if fully climate controlled there will be condensation problems on parts.And even then unless you use cosmoline(sp)there will still be some surface rust.

 

I agree with Scottmoyer regarding the garage points. The worst thing to do is park a car inside an unventilated garage. The humidity can go through the roof and surface rust can run wild. Even a heated garage, if it's not ventilated properly can be very destructive.
Also, some people think they're doing their cars a favour by insulating the garage. But insulating without venting and/or dehumidifying is worse than a drafty uninsulated garage.

 

i went to barret jackson and saw the car i was amazed that it only had 7 miles on it.

 

According to the Dealer Album Product Guide:
195/75R-14 Glass belted radial Blackwall tires (4 cyl) - SC only
RPO QYG 195/75R-14 Glass belted radial White Stripe tires (4 cyl) - SC only
195/75R-14 Steel belted radial Blackwall tires (V6) - SC only
RPO QXW 195/75R-14 Steel belted radial White Stripe tires (V6) - SC only
205/70R-14 Steel belted Radial Blackwalls - Berlinetta only
RPO QVU 205/70R-14 Steel belted Radial White Stripe - Berlinetta only
RPO QYC 205/70R-14 Steel belted Radial White Letter tires (W/sport suspension) - SC only
RPO QYH 215/65-15 Steel belted radial white letter tires - Z28 only


Without going year by year... we jump to 1987
P215/65R-15 W/O Steel Belterd Radial Ply (White Outline) from the pix it was only avalable on the LT in 87...

JOhn

 

Here's something for all the storage problems out there. Everyones right, humidity will ruin a car, they will rust from the inside out. I put my car in the garage but also it is stored inside of a Airchamber which is always circulating air through fans with filters installed that push air through the chamber. The unit can be seen at www.copperstarproducts.com This was the best investment I purchased to protect my investment.Check it out!!

 

Like a cacoon. Hibernating till spring. Cool.

 

I have seen the bubbles before and really they sound liek a good idea...

I think I have mentioned this before, but I put a fan inside my barn and turn it on in the fall and let it gently blow on low until spring. it is AMAZING how big of a difference a simple box fan made. Usually I get a little rust on my brake rotors, last year when I put the fan in the barn and let it run continuously all winter, I had no rust at all on my rotors, the fan was not blowing on the rotors, rather it blew under the cars... Circulating air is a huge plus...

The bubbles or those enclosures do not appear to have a dehumidifier which would really help above 40°, (actually below about 40°F a dehumidifier would not work). I have considerd getting one of those but never bit the bullet.

JOhn

 

Actually humidity is not a bad thing as long as its not allowed to condense on the object. Thats why having a fan helps so much. The advantage of the Airchamber is that the car is completly closed it and safe from such things as dust and small critters geting in your car for the winter. I've had a car in a Airchamber for 3 months at a time and not a speck of dust in that time, truely amazing!!!

 

I think it would have sold for double if it was a K car. THat is very rare for a car to have never sold and have such low miliage!

 

I saw it go across the block when it aired on live tv, they had a little "background" story on it. IIRC, a dealer ordered it, when it came in, he put it in storage, meaning to use it for some project of something, I don't remember exactly why the dealer was saving it.. The dealer even kept everything necessary for every recall and save them (parts required for the recall), never actually doing the recall. It sat and sat, the dealer just kept it in storage, never actually sold it. The car was sold with the certificate of origin, which means it was never titled.

 

There is a market for every low mileage original condition 20+ year old car. Some more than others and the Camaro is a part of automotive history that can never be forgotten about. There is not a Camaro that was built from 70-02 that I would not like to own. I have recently seen the light on 74-77 big bumper cars. It is all in what you like.

 

Sitting here watching the Mecum Auto auctions:

A black '84 Z-28 w/1900 miles just sold for $20,000 and an '86 just sold for $7,100.

 

Its too bad our cars are not going up in value...

NOT!

John

 

But they will!!!

 

I was trying to be sarcastic...

John

 

sorry, duh.