mr396

Marry Christmas. check out this 92 1LE B4C with a/c.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...item4a9d4e56e8

Drew

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I'm sure you mean B4C. B4Z obviously doesn't fit.

Funny that a 'Restoration' these days means one seat was reupholstered, turn signal lenses were replaced, the car was repainted, and we tracked down an obsolete set of tires that were crap when they were new.

It looks decent. But with that paint job, markings, and tires, it's not really a car a person can drive everyday. If that makes it a show car by default, it's got a lot of detail work left to make it show worthy.

InfernalVortex

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I thought you couldnt get 1LE with AC?

Saculia

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I was under the same impression, but what do you know? I read somewhere that if you elected to have the AC, that automatically deleted the aluminum drive shaft, the specially baffled tank, as well as the larger brake rotors with the two piston calipers in the front. I guess that's to show that with GM anything is possible, at least that seems to be the case with police vehicles.

Drew

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It's a B4C... ie Police package. Part of that package is the dual piston front brakes. It has RPO 1LE to identify the different brakes. Keeping in mind that the Service Parts Identification decal is there so the correct replacement parts are ordered and used, it makes sense. Some B4C Camaros have the dual piston brakes, some don't. Most if not all had A/C. It's not really anything new, it's been a well documented combination for years.

Saculia

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Yes,
I saw the 1LE RPO code on label. I just have not been very familiar with the B4C police package. I was aware that as far as drive train is concerned, they got the same drive train as the 1LE cars, but did not know much beyond that. Learning something new every day.

91interceptorZ

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B4c was the only way to get the 1le package AND a/c....I know I own a b4c and love it. and drew is correct about some having the brake package some don't. All of B4c's have upgraded 1le equipment plus more, but the brake size was an option as well as steel or aluminum drivelines.

It's a B4C

Krik

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B4C = Cop Car
Cops wear lots of gear, Layers of clothing/Kevlar vest
There is no way in hell you could have a cop car without AC
But here is the catch, it took an agency with law enforcement ties to order the car.
It was never intended to be in the hands of Joe Public (new)

My buddy has one that was bought through a loophole and never saw service. I think the guy that bought it was fired, but he did get to keep the car.
It does have all the cool 1LE stuff (didn't check the gas tank / fuel pump though)
He also has the rear hatch locking cover which I think was standard for the B4C

okfoz

Close, but not entirely true, there are a few... ok, 1 Formula 1LE with AC... that I know of...

BTW, the car is apparently 1 of 11... that was exactly like this one... I suspect all 11 went to the same place..

John

ThePain

I'm in love, i want!!!!!!!!!!!

ThePain

How hard would it REALLY be to convert, or upgrade your car to B4C?

get some dual-piston brakes, throw on a steel/aluminum driveshaft, badda bing, bodda boom?

Drew

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Since the 1LE brakes weren't always part of B4C, all it would take is a Z28 drivetrain and suspension under an RS body. Or take a Z28 and switch the badges, VIN tag, hood, and spoiler. Either way a B4C is just a RS with the Z28's performance goodies.

okfoz

Drew,
unlike the Trans Am and GTA, the Z28 used the same VIN as an RS 1G1FP23

Technically it would be easier to take a Z28 and install the RS hood, spoiler, and 1LE brakes...

You are very correct that not all B4C cars got the 1LE brakes, the 1LE brake setup was standard mid Model year for 1991...

John

Drew

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Insomnia sucks... I'm not sure why I was thinking the VIN would be different.

91interceptorZ

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vin number legally shouldn't be changed. Anyway..here is the B4C options on my car that I have found or researched that I can remember.

car is pretty much a 1le in a RS body with A/C

RS badging with a 350tpi (cant get 350 in a regular RS)
4 point roll bar (dealer installed option on b4c)
A/C with bigger 1le brake system
1le supension
aluminum driveline (optional)
borgwarner 9-bolt rear end (optional)
140 amp alternator (for equipment IE lights siren)
extra fuse block for electronics (lights, siren)
Baffled fuel tank
145mph speedo in RS
full vinyl door panels (most had at least some carpet)
the dome light disable feature (light doesn't come on when you open door)
power steering cooler (don't know if that's on all z28's or not)
upgraded police computer chip (not on all cars, maybe dealer or department item)
posi on all models
16" wheels with 245/50/R16 (yes special police tires, think made by firestone)
that's all I can think of at moment, I'll put some more on if I think of any...I have it all printed on paper somewhere.....anyone feel free to add.

Drew

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Except most of that is standard with any G92 L98/LB9 Z28...

91interceptorZ

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no,, not really....you could order aluminum ds and 9 bolt rear ends, but some stuff is only available to 1le/b4c cars....i.e. the brakes, suspension, 140 amp alternator (normal is 95 or 105), 350 in an RS,....anyway, I was just listing some of the options with the b4c, I know some stuff crosses over.

good example.....this is the only way to get AC with 1le suspension with a 350 TPI in an RS body with a roll bar.
You can't get that package in a regular g92

Drew

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Except, not all B4C Camaros had the 1LE brakes and the 140amp alternator. So what is a B4C really? It's the high performance drivetrain in the cheapest no frills body possible. Police departments didn't need a high rise spoiler, fog lights, and hood blisters. They didn't really care about custom seats or interior upgrades. They just wanted a car capable of catching perps.

The bulk of the equipment is standard stuff borrowed from the Z28, the only thing that makes it unique or unusual is that it was offered on the RS to save costs.

87 player bird

I wonder what the reserve is?

91interceptorZ

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drew, you're correct...i have the cheapest interior possible....even the factory radio was just am/fm, not even a cassete player...
here is another interesting thing I noticed when I had my motor at the machine shop....my factory block, according to the machinist, had a very high content of nickel, unusually high he stated (making it very hard and durable) as well as factory moly rings....
The rings for the pistons were not the standard ones....they're a metric ring and had to be special ordered....
I'm curious on how many standard, if any, camaros got the moly ring pistons??? and a high nickel block....I had 197k miles on factory block with literally no bore ridge, I was shocked with that mileage that the motor looked so well.

Drew

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I don't know if anything specific was done to select special blocks for the B4C's, but I'd tend to doubt it. Not to call your machinest into question, but there have been a ton of myths associated with block markings as they pertain to nickle content. Most have been debunked, but I could see machinest working under those assumptions. Urban legends die hard.

91interceptorZ

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well, I agree...but not having any bore ridge what so ever was interesting.....especially with so many miles. I checked the block numbers and it was factory block, standard bore. But then again it could have been due to moly rings.....I'd be more curious about finding out how many motors had these rings, but there is no way to tell I believe, unless you tear the motor down.......

fullsize fun

I can tell you this, I just bought a 92 B4C and its a 305/5 speed 3.42 car and it frigging pulls like a big block, still has the factory Chip, code matches the code on the outside of the ECM, and the B4C cars got the thorsen gear diff not the cone type auburn. I've had my share of fast car but this thing is unbelievable for a 305

Drew

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82tarecaro

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lol

okfoz

All 92 F-bodies got the same basic Saginaw 10 bolt rear axle, the only differences were
1) Drum or Disc
2) gear ratio: 2.73, 3.08, 3.23 or 3.42
3) Ltd slip or open.

1992 Trans Am

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Lol.