Gotta love it when people try to sound so authentic when scamming people. Here's a quote from the (very reputable) GTA source page:

"There is no such thing as a FACTORY 1991 or 1992 Trans Am GTA Convertible."

Yet, here is somebody trying to sell a '91 GTA:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ponti...fCarsQ5fTrucks

I'm going to send him a message to see what he says.

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...-trans-am.html

The thread above was about a prior advertised GTA Convertible and continued on to discuss the car that you also posted about.

In short, running the VIN he provided shows there is no Y84. So this is not a GTA. There was no factory 1991/1992 GTA Convertibles as GTA Source Page says, and his own VIN shows this.

Trans AM or GTA, either are still nice cars. The issue is advertising something that isn't correct.

 

I agree. It is a very nice looking car. But somebody not knowing the difference could mistakenly pay for a GTA when they are not getting one. It isn't a case of the seller being mistaken. He clearly states that it is not only a GTA, but goes on to provide a "1 of 20" production number as well. Clearly in an attempt to make it more desireable.

 

What was his response. I noticed that ad too.

 

Shockingly, I never got a response. There's another one on ebay claiming he has an '88 GTA convertible as well.

 

A convertible '88 GTA is possible. Its just it was a conversion & did not roll off the GM Assembly line, as a convertible. It rolled off as a coupe then was converted.

 

The other car on eBay is also not a GTA:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=330448019337

It says GTA in the eBay auction title but I can only guess it's for keyword placement. It's not a GTA. I have a copy of the SPID for this vehicle and Y84 is not on it.

This vehicle linked above, was on the market last year for about half their Buy It Now. At that time, it did not have any Trans Am and 305 stickers - which it should have. So it had previous paint and/or body work. The person listing the above car on eBay must have put the correct Trans Am and 305 stickers on it and is now asking near double what it sold for last year. However, the car is nice.

And Stephen is correct. It's possible to have a GTA convertible. There's a few of them for the 1989 model year. They were converted by ASC through dealerships as Pontiac didn't offer a Convertible Firebird until 1991 - which those were also converted by ASC.

 

http://www.firebirdfever.com/firebirdfever/82-92ta.html

so is this site wrong? they have listed under the 92 year GTA'S convertible

 

Wow that is a rare car but it is ashamed that folks misrepresent the the thing they have to sell.

 

Technically no, they just aren't very clear on the details.

As I said above....You could get a 1992 convertible GTA. It just didn't roll off the GM assembly line as a convertible.

It was either drop shipped from the category to ASC to be converted into a convertible, a dealership shipped a hard top to be converted, or a customer bought or a hard top & paid for the conversion, before or after purchase.

 

Yes, that site has a lot of errors. There's a lot of ThirdGens listed there that are incorrect. That site was pointed out before.

They're listing a lot of 1992 GTA Convertibles and I know that's wrong. I bet it's the gold wheels. You know, on the 1991/1992 Trans AM (non-GTA) you could order the gold wheels that was previously reserved for the GTA. This even lead some magazines to label Trans Ams as GTAs back in the day as the gold wheels were previously a GTA-only thing.

 

The issue here isn't whether a 91-92 GTA convertible existed (because obviously you could cut the top off a real 91-92 GTA Hardtop)... the issue here is this:

Goto www.compnine.com - You can run any of these "GTA vert's" VIN numbers through there and see ALL of the RPO codes.

First off, it had a rear drum brake originally; not disc, there are lots of errors with this car being what it is touted as being...

Bottom line; if it doesn't have Y84 listed, ITS NOT A GTA - Clear example, this car; Run the vin; No Y84 - Therefore, anything else about it is irrelevant; Its not a GTA, top or no top!

I wish Ebay had a way to let people report these errors and get the listings corrected - Problem is that Ebay wants to make money, and they don't make money if the guy decides not to sell it there because Ebay pointed out a mistake in the listing!

 

Atleast he is not really claiming it was originally a J65:

Which I read as it was an upgrade.

By the way, there was actually several GTAs that came with drum rear brakes in 1991.

We often preach here that the end all be all is the Y84 code, as you stated. A Trans AM could be ordered with just about all the stuff that came on the GTA, and these cars are old enough where parts could have easily been replaced to make it appear something it originally was not.

GTA or Trans AM are both nice.

 

The sellers reasoning for it being a GTA is just silly. He's basically saying "there's no Trans Am or GTA badges, so it must be a GTA"

I think anyone looking at buying a car such as that, will have enough knowledge to realize it likely isn't a GTA.

 

Doubtful - People are really dumb for the most part - They'll believe anything they read - Ebay sucks for factual representation on a lot of things.

 

After reading the novel this idiot has, its just making me more angry.

A "full time medical student" should have sense enough to make readable paragraphs and use proper grammar.

2nd; I'm half tempted to write him and call him on his BS - His last "sentence" makes me laugh:

"so if you readyto buy make your move your most likely wont find another real Gta convertible "

Won't find one is right...

Look through this guy's feedback... His negative feedback seems very strange. On a couple of the items, it sounds like he bought an item from another seller, and then returned HIS old/bad/broken/used parts to the original seller... Odd... and notice the "Trans Am / GTA tailights" in his feedback... wonder if he was buying GTA tails to swap over on his plain ole T/A.

As I'm writing this I'm reading his feedback and he sounds like a real con artist. After seeing all of the numerous complaints about never getting items, or people paying deposits and then the seller not following through, I would almost guarantee it.

What a loser.

 

Did you ever get a response? What did you ask him? I sent him a msg asking about the RPO sticker and never got anything either.