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Old Dec 5, 2015 | 07:29 AM
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1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

I found this on e-bay. I know 90 was the last year of the iroc but wow! is this really worth this? I see it has only 9100 mikes and does look all there. I thought the verts only were offered with a 5.0? Also if you scroll through the pics he took a close up of the front suspension, The bushings are missing on the sway bar. A car with this low miles those should be in place I would think.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-IROC-Z-28/281875755287?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150805074509%26meid%3Dbef8ecd5a8b346d291fcea00254d8b29%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D12%26rkt%3D18%26sd%3D321933520210
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Old Dec 5, 2015 | 07:41 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

The VIN says its a 305 TPI.
The factory yellow poly endlinks crumble and turn to dust with just time so that's no surprise really.
Luggage rack.. ugh

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Old Dec 5, 2015 | 08:28 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

For 32K, they could at least vacuum the trunk and install new hood struts.

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Old Dec 5, 2015 | 08:42 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Nice car, but it's gonna be a few decades before it's worth $32k. It will take even longer since it's an automatic and most buyers of "toy cars" want a manual whether it ever gets driven or not.




Couple of other unexpected interventions on a low mile car - a connector on the battery, could be a quick-disconnect (not sure why anyone would bother with one of those, it takes about 8 seconds to unscrew the battery bolt). There is also a blue wire up by the brake booster, doesn't look stock because it's outside the loom.




These are nitpicks, but a low mileage car is that much batter when its unaltered.
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Old Dec 5, 2015 | 09:04 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Check out that luggage rack on the trunk lid.
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Old Dec 5, 2015 | 09:38 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Originally Posted by TTOP350
The VIN says its a 305 TPI.
The factory yellow poly endlinks crumble and turn to dust with just time so that's no surprise really.
Luggage rack.. ugh


It's A 305 LB9 Not A 350,And You Would Think They Would Replace Those Sway Bar End Links Before They Took Pictures.
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Old Dec 5, 2015 | 01:11 PM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Love how these dealership cowboys market these cars. Half that text in the description was copied and pasted off some Camaro site that they googled.

Totally pathetic that they have the trunk and hood propped up with a piece of wood. I realize these struts do deteriorate after time, but replace them and save the originals in a box for the purist. If you ask that kind of money, you should cover ALL bases, super clean car, detailed engine and bay, fasten the seat belts in the rear, line up the front seats and do become informed about what engine is in the car. Presentation is everything.
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 07:46 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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It's A 305 LB9 Not A 350,And You Would Think They Would Replace Those Sway Bar End Links Before They Took Pictures.
Just imagine you are interested and you took a test drive. All that banging noise that you would here from the suspension, then you open the hood to have a look and it hits you in the back of the head because the dealer forgot the wood stick!
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 11:43 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

The dealer is on something. The mileage is questionable to me. At 9100, the car should be in a much cleaner condition, unless the original owner just drove the car for those miles and didn't detail the car for 25 years. The driver carpet looks discolored, the engine bay is dirty and if you want to sell a car for top dollar, it needs to be in top shape. That includes functional hood and hatch struts and all suspension components in place and working. The luggage rack was an add-on and destroys the value of this car to anyone looking to own a last year IROC-Z vert!

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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 12:57 PM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

I'm with everyone else, the dealer is purely on a fishing expedition. It's not that I'm necessarily opposed to the asking price, although it's very high for this particular car. But at the very least, fix all the little things and then do a magnificent detailing on this car so it's presentable.

It's the difference between a $9,000 car and a $20,000 car.
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 08:13 PM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Black trunk but grey passenger compartment?

I kind of like the luggage rack.
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Old Dec 6, 2015 | 08:21 PM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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For 32K, they could at least vacuum the trunk and install new hood struts.
Too funny LOL
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 07:49 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Originally Posted by PurelyPMD
Black trunk but grey passenger compartment?.
Thats the way my 92 TA vert is, gray interior and black trunk carpet.
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Old Dec 7, 2015 | 10:41 PM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

hmmm odd car.... I wouldn't let mine go for 32K. I want to be buried in it cheaper than a coffin !!

What's up with the hood decal. Its not the same as mine. Mine was built a bit earlier, maybe they changed them up? Everything in engine bay is swapped, battery is on wrong side as far as a 1990 Formula is concerned.....

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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 07:12 AM
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All my 89-92 formulas have the battery on the driverside or in the hatch :-).
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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All my 89-92 formulas have the battery on the driverside or in the hatch :-).
It does seem like the passenger side would be the better place for it as far as weight distribution goes.
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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 11:22 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

but but but but, it's only original once guys!! that's CLEARLY why they left the shot hood struts and the dirt/grime under the hood. . .


I bet that car would look night and day different with a detail job.


Also, I think the washer fluid reservoir has been replaced. . .as it is MUCH cleaner (whiter) than the overflow jug.
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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 02:36 PM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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It does seem like the passenger side would be the better place for it as far as weight distribution goes.
The pass rear hatch area is technically the bast spot (drag racing).
The factory has goofy reasons for doing what they do.
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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 03:02 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Camaro Battery is on the Pasenger side. Firebird battery is on drivers side for the TPI cars and the MPFI V6 cars... The LG4, LB9, L69, CFI Firebirds are all on the passenger side like the Camaro.

I am with Scott on this one, 1) The drivers carpet is trashed... At least try to clean it up.. 2) The Luggage rack looks like someone really wanted a Mustang GT... Very Tacky. 3) The Hood Struts and Trunk Struts? What gives there, you ask $32K for a car that needs help? 4) Anyone who takes it for a drive is going to ask about that Thump every time they hit a bump.... Heck for $100 more you could have nearly a perfect car... (If you left the luggage crap on there)

Differences between Factory ASC and Aftermarket ASC Convertibles
1) Factory trunks were black, Aftermarket were interior color
2) Factory sun visors were Black, Aftermarket were interior color
3) Aftermarket cars still had the seatbelt guide on the seats.
4) The VIN obviously

Otherwise they are identical in construction.


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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 09:59 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Man, you guys are a tough crew! Now for sure I'm not showing any pics of my car
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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 01:29 PM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Feel free to show pics. However, if you're proud enough to "show off" your car in pictures, at least have it clean when you do it. I used to see people posting about how proud they are of their car and how much they love it and will never get rid of it, but then post pictures of it after it looked like it got stuck in the mud and was dirty, not vacuumed, and just really not an appealing picture.

If you want to sell a car for top price, it best be in top condition. If you don't care enough to clean it and prepare it for photos, what else have you neglected during ownership?
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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Man, you guys are a tough crew! Now for sure I'm not showing any pics of my car
I was just thinking the same... and now I have to detail my engine bay. Unfortunately, the original spray on the engine bay is bad from the factory, and lighter colors like white exacerbate GM's lack of attention to detail!

I've been to this dealer's Charlotte showroom; they charge to walk through. They have many nice cars, and this one is no exception, but the cars didn't appear to get any prep work. Instead, they seemed to present them as received by private sale, auction, etc. Also, the prices tended to be higher than normal for what they offered.
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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Man, you guys are a tough crew! Now for sure I'm not showing any pics of my car
Put it this way, if your car is a cream puff, perfect car with all of the correct pieces and parts down to the valve stem caps and the length of the valve stem, don't be afraid to post pictures. If you have a 100K car that has been enjoyed and there are some things that are not perfect, but it is a work in progress, don't be afraid to post pictures.

Just do not represent it as something that it is not. Where people get their panties in a bunch is when they claim something that it is not, we will smell it like a fart in a car, and we will call it out.

Yes we are a tough crew around here, but if we talk trash about our cars and do not give them the attention to detail that we feel they deserve, why would anyone else do the same? We are the forefront of these cars, thirdgen.org IS the place where you learn what is right and wrong on a third gen. The History board is just for this example, let us tear it apart and we will tell you how to make your car better than it is now. This site is a big reason why our cars are going for more every year.
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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 01:54 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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I was just thinking the same... and now I have to detail my engine bay. Unfortunately, the original spray on the engine bay is bad from the factory, and lighter colors like white exacerbate GM's lack of attention to detail!

I've been to this dealer's Charlotte showroom; they charge to walk through. They have many nice cars, and this one is no exception, but the cars didn't appear to get any prep work. Instead, they seemed to present them as received by private sale, auction, etc. Also, the prices tended to be higher than normal for what they offered.
That is pretty well known about the under the hood paint. Heck my original paint on my 89 Formula 350 convertible on the sides of the hood is missing paint, you can see primer with the hood closed. My 87 Formula under the hood looked like crap, so I took it off and painted it... made it look a ton better... I also took glazing putty and filled in the waviness from the spot-welds on the strut towers, and painted them... is it right, nope, but it looks better...
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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That is pretty well known about the under the hood paint. Heck my original paint on my 89 Formula 350 convertible on the sides of the hood is missing paint, you can see primer with the hood closed. My 87 Formula under the hood looked like crap, so I took it off and painted it... made it look a ton better... I also took glazing putty and filled in the waviness from the spot-welds on the strut towers, and painted them... is it right, nope, but it looks better...
Easy there capn' toothbrush
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"capn' toothbrush"......Love it!!
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Originally Posted by TTOP350
Easy there capn' toothbrush
EXCUSE ME! That is not Capn' Toothbrush... You will call me Colonel Q-tip...

Thank you very much. Yes I have been known to clean my engine bay with Q-tips
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EXCUSE ME! That is not Capn' Toothbrush... You will call me Colonel Q-tip...

Thank you very much. Yes I have been known to clean my engine bay with Q-tips
Counseling can fix that John.
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is the battery terminal correct on this car? It appears to have some external connections made so you could easily jump the car or charge the battery. I'm wondering if I tossed my years ago because it was a pain in the butt or some dumb reason like that, never planned on keeping my car when I first bought it.

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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Originally Posted by okfoz
EXCUSE ME! That is not Capn' Toothbrush... You will call me Colonel Q-tip...

Thank you very much. Yes I have been known to clean my engine bay with Q-tips
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

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Counseling can fix that John.
NO amount of counseling will help me... I am already over the cliff in free fall... Yes I admit it.
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 10:56 AM
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NO amount of counseling will help me... I am already over the cliff in free fall... Yes I admit it.
Admittance is the 1st step to recovery so I think you are on the right track!
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

I've been to this dealer's Charlotte showroom; they charge to walk through. They have many nice cars, and this one is no exception, but the cars didn't appear to get any prep work. Instead, they seemed to present them as received by private sale, auction, etc. Also, the prices tended to be higher than normal for what they offered.
$5 just to walk through. I wonder if you get that back when you purchase one of his over priced gems! I work across from a local European car dealer. I have bought a Benz from him, he asks top dollar for his cars but he has a guy that all he does is detail the hell out of the cars when he gets them and fixes the little things. The car I purchased was 4 yrs old and it looked showroom, even underneath. A little TLC goes a long way when selling a car like this.

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Old Jan 7, 2016 | 09:39 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Back up at $27,995 - getting closer to a realistic price.

I too am questioning condition/mileage here.
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 01:02 AM
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Re: 1990 vert for 32k. Is this guy on something?

Originally Posted by PurelyPMD
Back up at $27,995 - getting closer to a realistic price.

I too am questioning condition/mileage here.
And still unsold at that price.

Lon
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