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Old 11-12-2017, 08:11 PM   #1
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$52k Z28

Here's one for the LE 1 hypers.

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1990 Z28 LE 1 - $52000 (Eureka)
https://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/d/...356729681.html

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Baffled gas tank with swinging pickup to prevent fuel starvation on corners


750 miles. $52k.










IDK, it's nice, but that color combo... That wasted car. That price tag. Just strikes me as silly from start to finish, but figured someone would enjoy seeing it, or laughing at the ad, either way...
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I think it's beautiful, i'd love to have it, looks very fresh like it should. Would look better if it wasn't a DX3 car in my opinion though.
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Back tires are going the wrong way, that needs to be changed LOL
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It’s cool to see.. that price is yikes..
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He can ask what he wants but he ain't going to get it.
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Ok, so if we take away the 'rare' collector nature of the "LE 1" (sic) package, and the extraordinarily low mileage, what is it really? It's an appliance white Camaro with eye-searing red interior, no options, no cool Iroc decals, no t-tops, no A/C. This one isn't on anyone's grail list.

For the money, a person could probably find 4 VERY NICE thirdgens, that could actually be enjoyed on the road, rather than hidden away in a garage, polished with a diaper and referred to as "My precious!".

I just don't see the point. Pay out the *** so the car can own you. You don't dare actually drive the thing, because the value is in the low miles and pristine condition.

On a related note, it sure does seem like there are a TON of low mile thirdgens tucked away. Like a bunch of people read that stupid magazine article and thought they could buy one, pickle it, and in 30 years sell it and buy a private island. As time passes and more and more of them come out of storage for resale, I wouldn't be surprised to actually see the values come down again.
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Love the clown that has a Walmart NEVERstart battery in a "$50K" car LMAO


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One day, that price isn't gonna seem out of line.
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Ya, when milk is $10 per gallon.
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That interior almost gave me a seizure it was so bright. That alone would stop me from buying it and that its like $30k overpriced.
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I think the cars in general are going up and will go up. It’s weird to me how a lot of the preserved cars are undesirable in some way. It’s almost like the ones that were preserved were “easy” to not drive..

A lot of the under 10k mile cars I see are automatic 305s with no options, some with 15” Rims and no TPI, etc.. many are an undesireable color, etc.. missing something.. a lot don’t even have power windows.. I knew a lot of thirdgen owners back in the day and never saw crank windows..

If someone ordered a car or bought one that they “really wanted” they drove it.. and those are the cars that people want now..

I have yet to see for example, a black 5.7 loaded with T-Tops in pristine showroom condition with under 10k miles..

I do think Thirdgen inventory is low and they are gaining interest and turning heads at car shows..

Thirdgens that are desirable are worth more than C4 corvettes for sure.. I do think Corvettes have an inventory problem.. most people that bought those babied them and there’s are a ton of them in good shape everywhere with lower miles. C4 vettes are so cheap!

People drove their IROCs in the winter with snow tires on Z28 Rims in my area.. no one would do that to a Corvette.. younger people bought IROCs, drove then like they were stolen for the most part, did a bunch of tasteless mods to the exterior/interior and gave the car a bad name..

Even back in the 90s my 87 IROC I had turned heads because I kept it in pristine showroom condition and people were used to seeing an 88 with red faded paint with a black cowl hood, black 92 ground effects, some crazy looking grille with foglights removed, wood panel interior with a bat mobile steering wheel, etc.. and stickers all over the rear hatch and front windshield.. the exhaust would sound like turd and it would have some insane subwoofers shaking the rear license plate.. a pristine IROC has been rare for a while..

I found that people that bought Firebirds kept them nicer. Any GTA I saw was usually kept well. Formulas were a little more toyed with, but IROCs really attracted some characters that ruined them.

When I see this car, I think “what a waste”.. it’s definitely “appliance white” and with decal delete the interior color is atrocious.. and those crank windows!

There was a 1990 blue 1LE with super low miles that sold for big money but it was metallic blue with silver decals with pristine gray interior and was a 5-speed. It looked like an IROC someone would want.. this person is probably basing their price on a car like that.. these cars can turn heads but this one does not..

I ‘d say the price is $20k too high and even at that you could find a more desirable 1LE.
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To me, not all low mile cars are equal... so many of them were preserved incorrectly... corrosion on the aluminum parts under the hood... rattle can sprayed undercarriages. Touch ups / full repaints. Added some things like blackouts or strut tower braces that required drilling holes in the bumper caps or that faux wood paneling on the dash and console when new that also required drilling holes... carfax mileage discrepancies.. lots of things over the years that happened to a lot of these.

I search every day and inquire about a lot of cars. For me, repaints / touch ups, aftermarket undercoating, holes drilled in anything, etc are things that make me pass on cars. So to find one without these issues that has performance options and could be shown at MCACN with a little detailing is tough to find.

I'm not saying this car does not have some or all of these issues, I have not inquired about it. But it does have a very fresh look in the pics in terms of condition, much more so than the red DX3 90 IROC 1LE that is on hemmings right now. The red one has dented runners, terrible looking aluminum under the hood (alternator, intake manifold, etc). Sure, I'd rather the car have iroc decals and I think the 90-92 leather interior would look awesome in it... yes in red! But to me it seems like a really well preserved highest performance thirdgen Camaro and if I wasn't pursuing a different car right now I'd inquire about it and see if it could be had for a more reasonable amount. The only thing that would bother me is that the miles are so low, you'd want to keep it under 1000 miles but they really need to be used 150-200 miles a year minimum to keep things working well IMO.
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Prices will rise for these but he isn't going to get anywhere near that for the foreseeable future IMHO.
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Back tires are going the wrong way, that needs to be changed LOL
1st thing I noticed

Also nice to see that ALT is still original. Soooo many were lost early In the cars life.

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ev305tpi you bring up a good point on the mileage.. you’d have to use the car a little to keep it working nice and the premium paid for having a car under 1000 miles will disappear quick.. then you have to hope the car will increase enough in general and that’s the point of this car since it’s priced and marketed for collectors. Also everything you said about any decisions a previous owner did that weren’t factory original even in the interest of preservation are right on..

I could have bought a super low mile car and didn’t because I knew I’d want to repaint, and re-do things.. and drive it!! I’d also hate to buy a car that sat at a high premium and then have to put a ton of money into it because it sat! And then not drive it!

I’d maybe buy one in the 5k-10k mile range now that I have a nice one to drive.. I don’t think I have the stomach or wallet to be a “collector”
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You guys are killin' me here, I LOVE red interior on white!!!!!!!!!

But I agree with the general sentiment. -and I can appreciate a collector picking up cars like this, but it doesn't strike me as anything more than just a good looking Iroc. Which it is.... ....but still.
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ev305tpi you bring up a good point on the mileage.. you’d have to use the car a little to keep it working nice and the premium paid for having a car under 1000 miles will disappear quick.. then you have to hope the car will increase enough in general and that’s the point of this car since it’s priced and marketed for collectors. Also everything you said about any decisions a previous owner did that weren’t factory original even in the interest of preservation are right on..

I could have bought a super low mile car and didn’t because I knew I’d want to repaint, and re-do things.. and drive it!! I’d also hate to buy a car that sat at a high premium and then have to put a ton of money into it because it sat! And then not drive it!

I’d maybe buy one in the 5k-10k mile range now that I have a nice one to drive.. I don’t think I have the stomach or wallet to be a “collector”
Yep!! 5-10k miles, that's my preference. Still very low miles and fresh, but completely usable and can be enjoyed
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I’d like the red interior better if it had the red decals/stripes.. it’s sort of shocking to see when you open the door of a stark white car.. Black interior would look better on a white car with decal delete.. especially because the exterior is white with black accents.. I’d like it even better with red leather seats..
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You guys are killin' me here, I LOVE red interior on white!!!!!!!!!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... And my eyes were burned to a crisp when I saw the porno red interior.

Anyone else notice how the later red interiors are super bright, while the earlier red was more subdued? A flawless red interior in say a Black thirdgen, is acceptable, but white and red never did it for me. Love my Formula, hate white thirdgens in general.
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Color combo is all about personal preference. I love them in white, i'd pay more for one, I think it shows the natural curves of a thirdgen the best to me. Just my opinion though. It contrasts the grilles, glass, tires, etc. I dig it! Here is one of my cars. Photo credit goes to Kurt (KMK454) @ kurtkphoto on instagram



Have you all seen the prices lately on 93 Cobras / Cobra Rs? Selling prices are way up there for low mile cars. I think it's only a matter of time for cars like this to get there.
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And keep in mind that a 96 grand sport vette with the red interior is on average worth $10k more than the same car with a black interior. And those ones and BRIGHT! haha...
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Love it! Color combo, DX3, everything. Price is a bit steep though, and as has been mentioned, miles might be too low for the next owner to enjoy driving it.
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Have you all seen the prices lately on 93 Cobras / Cobra Rs? Selling prices are way up there for low mile cars. I think it's only a matter of time for cars like this to get there.
Apples to Oranges. The 93 Cobra is a mechanical upgrade AND cosmetic makeover from the normal 93 GT/LX. It's also the top dog of the generation, and top dog for Ford in 1993. It's not remotely a valid comparison to a thirdgen 1LE. A thirdgen 1LE isn't a Corvette, it doesn't have a unique an arguably more attractive body styling than every other Z28, it doesn't have a different engine, 17" wheels, 4 wheel discs, etc etc etc. There's a reason 93 Cobras are in demand. The 93 Cobra is on par with the 92 Heritage Z28 had GM built it like the prototypes.

Stop making me say nice things about Fords!
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ev305tpi.. your white thirdgens appear superior to me to this car..

I’m not a huge fan of white, but I will agree that it shows the headlight buckets, grille and louvers nicely.. I think the front of the car in White is especially pretty cool..
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Judging by the multi-color paint, I don't think this car was cared for but rather just sat unused.
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1 of 28 L98 models, 1 of 62 total 1LE Camaros built in 1990.

I like the white over red, would have preferred the red or grey decals on it however and possibly a custom cloth interior.
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This car would not be sitting in my garage. It would be driven, and yea, taken care of too. The DX3 gives it that cool monochromatic look.


And red was a cool color interior on the 3rd gens. But I am biased.
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Can someone run a compnine on this cars Vin# 1G1FP2380LL126096 and post the amounts made with these color combinations and options. Thanks
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Can someone run a compnine on this cars Vin# 1G1FP2380LL126096 and post the amounts made with these color combinations and options. Thanks


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Thanks for the compnine information. Is there any kind of registry for the 1990 1LE to get the interior and exterior color combinations for the 28 cars with the L98 and stripe delete?
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Thanks for the compnine information. Is there any kind of registry for the 1990 1LE to get the interior and exterior color combinations for the 28 cars with the L98 and stripe delete?


Ya back in old days there was more detailed breakdown, So either compnine no longer does that service or my account doesn't have the access to it



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I thought it was against the rules to post other cars for the purposes of roasting them.
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If it were, we'd really be in trouble. Picking apart thirdgens for sale, has been the offical national pass-time of the History/Restoration sub-forum since it's inception.

Besides I didn't post it for the roast. I posted it for the benefit of those who like the subset this car represents. I was a bit amused by the price and felt it was worth discussion. Also it happens to be yet another example of what I call "1LE hype". It's a thirdgen forum, and we're discussing thirdgens. Nothing wrong with that. If the seller of the car doesn't like the attention, he probably shouldn't be asking $52k for a 1990 Camaro without A/C, on Craigslist of all places.

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The car bashing rules are in place for member's cars. If a member paints his car pink with purple stripes, the rules dictate that you can't bash them for their choice in "customizing".

For the purpose of this thread, I agree with Drew. We don't usually roast, but when someone advertises a car to be blatantly something it's not, or advertises a car with sketchy descriptors, we do discuss that here to inform others of potential false advertising. Excessive pricing also brings out the questions and picking apart.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:47 PM   #35
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Yep!! 5-10k miles, that's my preference. Still very low miles and fresh, but completely usable and can be enjoyed
Agree. Anything less than 30k miles is great for a car this old. 5-10k is really the sweet spot. My exact problem with the ultra low mile cars is you are paying a hefty premium for a car you can't really drive. When my 1LE is done, I can drive it all I want and still probably won't put 1200 miles a year on it.
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I'm sure someone out there with what I call "Stupid Money" will make a deal close to the sellers asking price and buy it.

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There are some new pics of it listed in a new CL ad:

https://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/d/...389722796.html

It looks nice to me.
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Thanks for the compnine information. Is there any kind of registry for the 1990 1LE to get the interior and exterior color combinations for the 28 cars with the L98 and stripe delete?
23U - 0
40U - 5
41U - 6
75U - 3
81U - 10
87U - 0
98U - 4

I just saw your reference to stripe delete - I'm not going through it again to find that combination. Hopefully you can live with the color breakdown.
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