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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 07:26 AM
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Hey what was the code for a 1990 formula ? I know the gta is Y84. I think there is a guy passing off a Formula as a T/A. Also did the 1990 Formula have the opition of the T/A ground effects?
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 07:49 AM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by cmk-2
Hey what was the code for a 1990 formula ? I know the gta is Y84. I think there is a guy passing off a Formula as a T/A. Also did the 1990 Formula have the opition of the T/A ground effects?
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Formula is W66 - T/A is WS4 - GTA is Y84 - there is no option for ground effects on a Formula
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 07:58 AM
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Thank up. It's an odd one, Formula hood, T/A ground effects and no vent behind the front wheels. 5.0 5 speed
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 08:07 AM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by cmk-2
Thank up. It's an odd one, Formula hood, T/A ground effects and no vent behind the front wheels. 5.0 5 speed
A picture is worth 10,000 words - post one
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 08:28 AM
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Re: SPID

and the SPID tag pic?
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 08:33 AM
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Asked for it this morning. That will tell the tail.
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 08:39 AM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by cmk-2
Asked for it this morning. That will tell the tail.
looks like a GTA with a Formula hood and wheels......or a Formula with GTA nose and ground effects
I'd like to see the SPID - do you have the VIN # ?
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 09:00 AM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by cmk-2
I think thats a Firebird with RPO W68 - available 1989 - 1992.
In 89 & 90 it was with a V-6 only - in 91 & 92 the L03 V-8 was available

I'd bet money that's what it is - what year are they saying it is an 89 or 90 ??
BTW, records indicate they made only ONE black 1990 W68 V-6 manual trans

This may be the ONLY Black 1990 Firebird W68 (Sport apperance pkg) with a 5 speed that was produced in 1990 !!
A cool find if you can live with the V-6

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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 05:17 PM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by BizJetTech
I think thats a Firebird with RPO W68 - available 1989 - 1992.
In 89 & 90 it was with a V-6 only - in 91 & 92 the L03 V-8 was available

I'd bet money that's what it is - what year are they saying it is an 89 or 90 ??
BTW, records indicate they made only ONE black 1990 W68 V-6 manual trans

This may be the ONLY Black 1990 Firebird W68 (Sport apperance pkg) with a 5 speed that was produced in 1990 !!
A cool find if you can live with the V-6
So, it’s 1 of 1!!!!!! That has come up a lot on this site lately. 1 of 1, 1 of 1, 1 of 1.
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 10:55 PM
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Re: SPID

Looks like a parts car, in reverse.

Which is to say, somebody had [whatever] parts, and stuck em onto [whatever] body.

Then at that point, looking at "SPIDs" on that body's tag is as USELESS as thinking that block stamping "codes" are gonna tell how much horsepucker some random "rebuilt" motor makes.

I think it's just some ... stuff ... somebody bolted together and squirted a coat of paint onto. aka lipstick on a pig.
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Old Aug 27, 2022 | 11:07 PM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by BizJetTech
I think thats a Firebird with RPO W68 - available 1989 - 1992.
In 89 & 90 it was with a V-6 only - in 91 & 92 the L03 V-8 was available

I'd bet money that's what it is - what year are they saying it is an 89 or 90 ??
BTW, records indicate they made only ONE black 1990 W68 V-6 manual trans

This may be the ONLY Black 1990 Firebird W68 (Sport apperance pkg) with a 5 speed that was produced in 1990 !!
A cool find if you can live with the V-6
I don't think the W68 came with that hood or rims? Atleast not in 1989, which is the only document I have on that.

Post or PM the VIN and I will check on the RPO codes.
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 07:39 AM
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Well as of now he has not responded to my request for more pictures and information. He stated to me that the "T/A's did not have the vents behind the front wheels the GTA's had them". So I don't realy think he knows his 3rd gens. He lives only 65 miles from me but I don't want to just show up at his place. It is a 5.0 TPI with 5 Speed not sure it it left the factory that way or not.
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 07:41 AM
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 08:41 AM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by cmk-2
Well as of now he has not responded to my request for more pictures and information. He stated to me that the "T/A's did not have the vents behind the front wheels the GTA's had them". So I don't realy think he knows his 3rd gens. He lives only 65 miles from me but I don't want to just show up at his place. It is a 5.0 TPI with 5 Speed not sure it it left the factory that way or not.
It looks factory orignal in the pics,
IMO, maybe a GTA with a formula
hood and wheels....just a guess based
on the engine/trans as the W68 option would
have had the V-6

I'd really like to see the spid tag for this car !!
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 08:54 AM
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Re: SPID

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I don't think the W68 came with that hood or rims? Atleast not in 1989, which is the only document I have on that.

Post or PM the VIN and I will check on the RPO codes.
JT - I was referencing Roberts book which states W68 includes the hood and wheels....
but IMO, with a 5.0 5 speed its not a code W68 and must be either a modified GTA or Formula

Your thoughts?
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 02:25 PM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by BizJetTech
JT - I was referencing Roberts book which states W68 includes the hood and wheels....
but IMO, with a 5.0 5 speed its not a code W68 and must be either a modified GTA or Formula

Your thoughts?
The W68 was Pontiac's marketing of giving customers the Trans Am look, on a base Firebird, without the T/A price.
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Old Sep 7, 2022 | 02:36 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Transmission: 700R4, M5
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Re: SPID

No gfx on W66 Formulas, ever,
W68 was a Base Firebird option.
It appears to be a Formula that someone installed the Ground effects and bumpers from a Trans Am/GTA

VIN will tell all
1G2FS = Firebird or Formula
1G2FW = Trans Am or GTA
1G5FW = TTA
The 8th digit should be an F with a Manual 5.0 TPI.
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Old Sep 7, 2022 | 02:46 PM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by okfoz
No gfx on W66 Formulas, ever,
W68 was a Base Firebird option.
It appears to be a Formula that someone installed the Ground effects and bumpers from a Trans Am/GTA

VIN will tell all
1G2FS = Firebird or Formula
1G2FW = Trans Am or GTA
1G5FW = TTA
The 8th digit should be an F with a Manual 5.0 TPI.
Thanks for the info IMO, and maybe more logical considering it's easier to do, maybe a GTA with Formula wheels and hood ???
Yes, we are in need of a VIN
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Old Sep 7, 2022 | 04:38 PM
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Re: SPID

Originally Posted by okfoz
No gfx on W66 Formulas, ever,
W68 was a Base Firebird option.
It appears to be a Formula that someone installed the Ground effects and bumpers from a Trans Am/GTA

VIN will tell all
1G2FS = Firebird or Formula
1G2FW = Trans Am or GTA
1G5FW = TTA
The 8th digit should be an F with a Manual 5.0 TPI.
W68 was the RPO code for the Sport Appearance Package


Edit, I think I understand what you mean. You didn't mean W68 was the base Firebird RPO but, instead, W68 was an option on the base Firebird.
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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 08:35 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: SPID

Correct the W68 was a Base Firebird option only...

1990-1992: for some reason Y81 was the RPO for a BASE 90-92 Firebird without Ground effects, and W68 was the Base Firebird with Ground effects. Why they had 2 RPOs is beyond me because you could only get one or the other.

As noted in the Bulletin V8 L03 was NA with W68 for 89, and for 90, but it was available in 91-92.

Rabbit hole: At the same time Y83 was used from 90-92 to denote the (non GTA) Trans Ams, where it was not used on earlier cars, only Y84 was used to denote the GTA from 87-89.

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