Interior Discussion about interior restoration, repairs, and modifications.

HVAC control selector disc fix

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 08:01 AM
  #1  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
HVAC control selector disc fix

Of course, since I moved things during a different repair my HVAC selector disc now hisses in any position other than "OFF". If I apply slight pressure side to side the hiss will stop. All settings operate properly but I have a varying idle due to the vacuum leak. I'm thinking of applying white lithium grease to the disc face and around the circumference. Anyone know of a reason NOT to try this?
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 10:56 AM
  #2  
gulf_coast_228's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 108
Likes: 2
From: Biloxi, MS
Car: 1992 Firebird Trans Am GTA
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

I had this problem with my 92 GTA last year. I remember trying all kinds of things to get that hissing noise to go away. What had happened was the clip that holds the whole thing together had cracked and was causing it to lose vacuum. I never tried the lithium grease, however. Still, I figured it wasn't worth it considering a new part only cost me $13 or so (if I remember). You can get the whole thing, ACDelco part# 1571350. Also if I remember right the dealer wanted to charge me $40 for that! Look it up to make sure its the part you need, you should have no trouble finding an image of it. It's incredibly easy to install. I kicked myself for going through the trouble of trying to fix that thing.
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2007 | 06:22 PM
  #3  
hwcoll95's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 587
Likes: 1
From: middle TENNESSEE
Car: 1989 Iroc rebuild
Engine: 355 carb'd
Transmission: 5spd
Axle/Gears: 3:08 pos for a while
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

having idle problems? seen as vac leak,the control switch (electrical was @18 at GM
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2007 | 06:31 PM
  #4  
327_TPI_77_Maro's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,896
Likes: 0
From: Charles County, Maryland
Car: 2000 BMW M5
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

I'm not sure what that big thing above is, but I know the mechanical control selector in my 83 leaks anything above OFF too. Thank goodness I'm not the only one. What a crappy design! I'll have to see if the new one is still available

Thanks!

EDIT: I can't come up with 1571350 as being an active GM #. Anybody?
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2007 | 07:03 PM
  #5  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

The grease worked until I cycled the selector a few times. I guess the grease just moved too much. If I could get the HVAC control out without ripping out the whole pod, I'd be ecstatic. I can't see why the vacuum lines and cable could not have been 4-6 inches longer.
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2007 | 09:07 AM
  #6  
CommieTerrorist's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
From: NC
Car: 92 Camaro RS
Engine: lO3
Transmission: T5
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Mine hisses too. I was going to try to jury rig something, but it was too much of a pain to take out.

Where can you buy that clip? Dealer?
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2007 | 11:06 PM
  #7  
Red92Bird's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 210
Likes: 1
From: Washington State
Car: '92 firebird
Engine: 305 tbi
Transmission: 700 r4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.42 gears with eaton posi
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

man i tried buying that part and the autoparts stores sent me to the dealer, and the dealer said it was discontinued!! so which places sell ac delco?
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2007 | 09:35 AM
  #8  
327_TPI_77_Maro's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,896
Likes: 0
From: Charles County, Maryland
Car: 2000 BMW M5
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

If the dealer can't get it we may be hosed. Crap!!
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2007 | 04:58 AM
  #9  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

There has to be another model GM that has a control that'll fit.
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2007 | 09:04 AM
  #10  
327_TPI_77_Maro's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,896
Likes: 0
From: Charles County, Maryland
Car: 2000 BMW M5
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

icarus I was thinking that. In the same era other cars, GM must have reused the disc assembly in another HVAC control. The problem is, those are probably worn out and also unavailable new. I hope someone comes up with an answer!! I could probably take mine apart and cut a gasket to fit, and bond it to one of the discs, and grease it and see what happens.
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2007 | 05:05 AM
  #11  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

I'm hitting the JY this AM. I'll let you know. Maybe I'll wind up converting to
4th gen. Then I could collect a number of controls.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2007 | 04:55 AM
  #12  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

No luck yet. OAll the 3rd gens were stripped. I took a chance and grabbed one out of an early 90's Sunfire but it didn't match up when I pulled the original yesterday morning.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2007 | 06:45 AM
  #13  
L69norm's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by icarus402001
Of course, since I moved things during a different repair my HVAC selector disc now hisses in any position other than "OFF". If I apply slight pressure side to side the hiss will stop. All settings operate properly but I have a varying idle due to the vacuum leak. I'm thinking of applying white lithium grease to the disc face and around the circumference. Anyone know of a reason NOT to try this?
If you take the disk controller apart, you'll find a black rubber disk inside. It's held in place by a pin thats part of the rubber disk. When the rubber starts getting old, the pin starts to break off. That allows the rubber disk to spin around inside the controller and cause weird hissing noises, wrong vents, etc. Glue the rubber disk down to keep it from moving and use a bit of silicon gel to lube it.
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2007 | 07:36 AM
  #14  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by L69norm
If you take the disk controller apart, you'll find a black rubber disk inside. It's held in place by a pin thats part of the rubber disk. When the rubber starts getting old, the pin starts to break off. That allows the rubber disk to spin around inside the controller and cause weird hissing noises, wrong vents, etc. Glue the rubber disk down to keep it from moving and use a bit of silicon gel to lube it.
I'll try this on the spare I got out of a Sunbird. I can't believe they reconfigured the exact same control functions on the exact same control for different models. i found maybe four configurations on 5 or 6 different HVAC controls from near same year models.
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 05:10 AM
  #15  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by icarus402001
I'll try this on the spare I got out of a Sunbird. I can't believe they reconfigured the exact same control functions on the exact same control for different models. i found maybe four configurations on 5 or 6 different HVAC controls from near same year models.

I found no rubber inside the disc. All it is made of is two discs with grooves to direct the vacuum signal when one side of the disc moves.
----------
Originally Posted by L69norm
If you take the disk controller apart, you'll find a black rubber disk inside. It's held in place by a pin thats part of the rubber disk. When the rubber starts getting old, the pin starts to break off. That allows the rubber disk to spin around inside the controller and cause weird hissing noises, wrong vents, etc. Glue the rubber disk down to keep it from moving and use a bit of silicon gel to lube it.

Do you have any pictures? what year and model do you have?

Last edited by icarus402001; Oct 1, 2007 at 05:11 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2007 | 03:37 AM
  #16  
L69norm's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by icarus402001
Do you have any pictures? what year and model do you have?
84 Firebird, Is the disc that moves (with the groves) is held in place with a pin?
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2007 | 03:42 PM
  #17  
hotbird89's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 48
Likes: 1
From: Kansas
Car: 90 Trans Am
Engine: 5.0 TPI- slightly modified...
Transmission: Modified 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.23 eaton posi moser shaft
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

There is rubber in there, I pulled it apart and let it soak in Aero Kroil for about 2 hours, and I haven't had any trouble since
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2007 | 05:46 PM
  #18  
327_TPI_77_Maro's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,896
Likes: 0
From: Charles County, Maryland
Car: 2000 BMW M5
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

That is what I needed to know. I will soak mine in brake fluid, which will swell rubber as well. Thanks
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2007 | 07:35 PM
  #19  
hotbird89's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 48
Likes: 1
From: Kansas
Car: 90 Trans Am
Engine: 5.0 TPI- slightly modified...
Transmission: Modified 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.23 eaton posi moser shaft
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Glad I could help
Reply
Old Oct 11, 2007 | 09:12 PM
  #20  
V6canvas's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 757
Likes: 10
From: Middle of MI
Car: 1989 Trans Am GTA
Engine: Stock LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9 bolt
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

I know it's not the cheapest way, but I bought a whole new heater control unit. That way I know I'm getting new stuff, I don't remember what the list (customer) price was, but I got it for under $100.

One day I'll get an engine hooked up to it to see if I got rid of that hissing. BTW, mine had got to the point where all it would do is defrost. Nothing else worked, the leak was that bad.
Reply
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 04:38 AM
  #21  
icarus402001's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 219
Likes: 0
From: lansdale,Pa.
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by hotbird89
There is rubber in there, I pulled it apart and let it soak in Aero Kroil for about 2 hours, and I haven't had any trouble since
Did you soak just tyhe disc?
Reply
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 05:55 PM
  #22  
hotbird89's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 48
Likes: 1
From: Kansas
Car: 90 Trans Am
Engine: 5.0 TPI- slightly modified...
Transmission: Modified 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.23 eaton posi moser shaft
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Yes, I pulled it apart, but you have to be very careful when you do this, the plastic is very fragile after this many years, and the 2 plastic prongs that hold the valve together will break extremely easily
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2007 | 02:40 PM
  #23  
92RSsleeper's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: Appleton, WI & Platteville, WI
Car: 92 Camaro
Engine: 404 SBC
Transmission: The strongest stock T5 ever made
Axle/Gears: 3.73 w/Detriot Tru Trac Locker
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

v6 canvas, my heater is to the point where it only defrosts too

I am gonna admit, im a total noob especially with the heating.

I have a 92 camaro rs and its to the point where it only will come out of the defrost, it also hisses really loud even a little when it's turned off. I heard a bunch of people saying you could just soak it in brake fluid and it would fix itself? i am just wondering if someone could explain what i'm going to need to do to fix this w/possibly pictures. is everything you need to fix/replace right behind the controls? thanx
Reply
Old Dec 2, 2007 | 10:19 PM
  #24  
gulf_coast_228's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 108
Likes: 2
From: Biloxi, MS
Car: 1992 Firebird Trans Am GTA
Engine: LS1
Transmission: T56
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Sorry for the late reply, but that part number came from the AC Delco cataloge, Here is the actual part number: 15-71350 . I forgot the dash. Here is what the part looks like, this is that part that was hissing for me. I also had to buy the part from an online parts store, although it was so long ago I don't really remember what site it was (it allowed me to search parts by ac delco part#).

Reply
Old Dec 3, 2007 | 12:34 AM
  #25  
82CrossFire Z28's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 473
Likes: 2
From: Kansas
Car: 82 Camaro Z28, 88 IROC-Z
Engine: 5.0L TBI., 5.7TPI
Transmission: Auto TH200C, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 posi, ones that rotate!
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Advance Auto will let you search by the AC Delco part number and it will return this part. NAPA and AutoZone do not return this part number. Or you can try the AC Delco site and look for a shop that will sell you the part. In the area of Kansas City that I live there are several Goodyear Repair Shops that sell the AC Delco parts.

Dave
Reply
Old Dec 3, 2007 | 05:41 AM
  #26  
JamesC's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 19,282
Likes: 103
From: Lawrence, KS
Car: Met. Silver 85 IROC/Sold
Engine: 350 HO Deluxe (350ci/330hp)
Transmission: T-5 (Non-WC)
Axle/Gears: Limited Slip 3.23's
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

I found the above part at the following link:

http://www.acdelco.com/index.jsp

JamesC
Reply
Old Dec 3, 2007 | 10:28 PM
  #27  
V6canvas's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 757
Likes: 10
From: Middle of MI
Car: 1989 Trans Am GTA
Engine: Stock LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9 bolt
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by gulf_coast_228
Sorry for the late reply, but that part number came from the AC Delco cataloge, Here is the actual part number: 15-71350 . I forgot the dash. Here is what the part looks like, this is that part that was hissing for me. I also had to buy the part from an online parts store, although it was so long ago I don't really remember what site it was (it allowed me to search parts by ac delco part#).

I ended up braking that part somehow when I was putting it in. I then was able to buy just that part and installed it w/o braking it. I'll have to see if it's fixed whenever I get the car running again.
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 03:41 PM
  #28  
Icarus 402001's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
From: SE PA.
Car: 92RS
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

At my nearest dealership 15-71350 was discontinued and for a Buick. They looked it up for my 92RS and found part no. 1603-2395. Cost is $24.44. It'll be there in 4 days. Cold weather's coming.
Reply
Old Apr 13, 2016 | 08:34 AM
  #29  
lonsal's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 5,964
Likes: 37
From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Unfortunately, since this thread was originally started both GM and the aftermarket have discontinued all three of the switches/valves that are controlled by sliding the levers of the HVAC system. I was alerted to this by a customer that was in need of the GM 16014416, A/C HEATER MODE SELECTOR SWITCH.

I now have all three in stock on my web site.

GM 16014416: A/C HEATER MODE SELECTOR SWITCH
GM 16062091: HEATER WATER CONTROL VALVE
GM 16032395: A/C HEATER MODE CONTROL VALVE

Lon Salgren
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2016 | 08:57 PM
  #30  
V6canvas's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 757
Likes: 10
From: Middle of MI
Car: 1989 Trans Am GTA
Engine: Stock LS1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9 bolt
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Good to know Lon, thanks. I managed to grab one selector a few years ago, but it was 1 of a dwindling supply of them on the shelves of local dealers.
Reply
Old Oct 28, 2024 | 12:20 AM
  #31  
88FBodyVert's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2024
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by lonsal
Unfortunately, since this thread was originally started both GM and the aftermarket have discontinued all three of the switches/valves that are controlled by sliding the levers of the HVAC system. I was alerted to this by a customer that was in need of the GM 16014416, A/C HEATER MODE SELECTOR SWITCH.

I now have all three in stock on my web site.

GM 16014416: A/C HEATER MODE SELECTOR SWITCH
GM 16062091: HEATER WATER CONTROL VALVE
GM 16032395: A/C HEATER MODE CONTROL VALVE

Lon Salgren
are these still available ? Please contact randyb2167@gmail.com
Thank you
Reply
Old Oct 28, 2024 | 08:26 AM
  #32  
blacksunshine'91's Avatar
Supreme Member
25 Year Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,498
Likes: 193
From: Moorpark, CA
Car: '91 GTA, '92 T/A Convertible
Engine: GTA: 350 w/Vortec heads, T/A: 305
Transmission: Pro-built 700R4
Axle/Gears: GTA: 3.27, T/A: 2.73
Re: HVAC control selector disc fix

Originally Posted by 88FBodyVert
are these still available ? Please contact randyb2167@gmail.com
Thank you
Or you can just go to his website: Top Down Solutions
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Casey Meyers
Interior Parts for Sale
8
Mar 2, 2016 10:46 AM
777Shock777
Tech / General Engine
4
Oct 29, 2015 04:30 PM
theshackle
Transmissions and Drivetrain
2
Aug 31, 2015 10:47 AM
Armored91Camaro
Electronics
0
Aug 25, 2015 12:01 PM
Winchester1094
Interior Parts Wanted
1
Aug 19, 2015 05:01 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:03 AM.