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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 02:28 PM
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Car: 1988 Pontiac firebird
Engine: '93 LT1
Transmission: Built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9 bolt
LT1 w/ 700R4 question

first off, will the LT1 directly bolt to the 700R4? i thought about a 4L60/ 4L60E, but i found every part that i need to rebuild the 700R4 to make it basically like a 4L65....5 pinion front and rear planetary gears, corvette servo, upgraded accumulators....and so on. the best part is that the rebuild will cost under $700 and it will be stronger than a 4L60. has anyone else used their 700R4? btw the engine is a 93 Z/28 lt1

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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 03:21 PM
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From: Kingston, Tn
Car: 1987 GTA
Engine: LT1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt 3.70 posi
As long as you are running the '93 ECM you *should* be ok since the '93 was the only year to run the 700R4. The problem comes with the '94-'97 and the fact that the PCM has to have problems running since it has to have the VSS signal from the tranny.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 11:37 PM
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Car: 1988 Pontiac firebird
Engine: '93 LT1
Transmission: Built 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9 bolt
thanks for the reply. i've heard that the '93 actually had a 4L60....the non-electric version of the 4L60-E, but even at that, it is basically the same as the 700R4. that's just what i read somewhere...i just needed to know if it bolts up...i haven't looked at my tranny in a while.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 10:47 PM
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You'll also need a '93 LT1 throttle body because it has the stud for the 700R-4 TV cable. With some doing, you can retrofit the 4L60-E VSS onto the 700R-4. Firebat has the info on that conversion.

Also, the 4L60 IS the 700R-4. Exactly the same transmission. GM just changed the name so it matched the rest of their transmissions.

Also, I noticed under your name that you have a 2.8 in your car. the 2.8 transmission WILL NOT bolt up to the LT1. The belhousings are very different. You need a V8 trans for the V8 engine.

One more thing, the 5 pinion planets in the 4L65-E are not an upgrade. Yes, they well handle a bit more torque, but time and again it has been shown that they tend to crack, and often explode at the higher RPMs that a modded LT1 will achieve. Good for low RPM trucks, bad for high RPM sports cars. If you want more proof, look at the top 700/4L60-E builders in the country(Pro-Built, CPT, etc). NONE of them use the 5 pinion planetarys.

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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 12:24 AM
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You do not need a throttle body from a 93. I went and got a tv cable tiddy for a carb and drilled it out at the same place it would be if it were factory. I bought the 93 tb bracket for 5.50 from the dealership(connections) and was on myt way. DO NOT SPEND 300.00 FOR A THROTTLE BODY. Spend 15.00 and do it the way I did it! If you need part# or help pm me and i will be glad to help
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 12:29 AM
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The 93 Firebird/Camaro 4L60 has a different electrical connector than the 700r4...no big deal, its only like 3 wires.

I dont know how the vss works on the 93, if its like the 94-97s 4l60e's or not.

Beedo discovered you don't need a 93 TB. Holley makes a $5 adapter for 94-97 LT1 throttle bodies. Since you have a 93 LT1, dont worry about it.
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Beedo - could you post that part number for the thing to attach to the throttle body? When you get around it...

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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 01:44 AM
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You do not need a throttle body from a 93. I went and got a tv cable tiddy for a carb and drilled it out at the same place it would be if it were factory. I bought the 93 tb bracket for 5.50 from the dealership(connections) and was on myt way. DO NOT SPEND 300.00 FOR A THROTTLE BODY. Spend 15.00 and do it the way I did it! If you need part# or help pm me and i will be glad to help
Good to know. Thanks.
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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Car: 1988 Pontiac firebird
Engine: '93 LT1
Transmission: Built 700R4
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awesome to know guys. yeah the lt1 i have is complete....all belt driven accessories, computer, wiring. thanks for letting me know about the bell housing of the 700R4. i would of felt like a dumb a** trying to mate that up. also, i heard something about the a/c compressor....that you can delete it, add relocation brackets, or modify the motor mounts....which is the easiest without deleting it?
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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From: Kingston, Tn
Car: 1987 GTA
Engine: LT1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt 3.70 posi
If you want to spend the almost 400 bucks on relocation brackets for the A/C you will have to modify the passenger side clamshell (which you will need from a SBC, any year will work) and the crossmember (with a BFH) for the compressor to fit.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 07:48 PM
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 10:58 AM
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Car: 1988 Pontiac firebird
Engine: '93 LT1
Transmission: Built 700R4
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coach hawk,
are you sure that the 700R4 won't bolt up? look on this forum
V6 to V8 Transmission Swap
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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From: Kingston, Tn
Car: 1987 GTA
Engine: LT1
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt 3.70 posi
The V6 700R4 is different than the V8 700R4. The Bellhousing on the V6 is for a 60* engine vs the 90* V8. Now a 700R4 from a 4.3 V6 will bolt up since it is a 90* V6
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 01:39 PM
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ahh, thanks for clearing that up.
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Old Apr 22, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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Car: 1988 IROC-Z
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: T-56
Axle/Gears: 10-Bolt w/3.08's (dying)
Where can i get this adapter? From holley's website?
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Old Apr 22, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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Beedo notified me that the part number was hly-20-40 or 20-40. I got the part at O'reileys for $8. It is a bolt that has a stud on it for the TV cable. It comes with a lock washer and bolt too. One expensive bolt but cheaper than a new 93 throttle body. Not sure where i'm going to drill the hole for the bolt but i'll figure something out. Beedo also mentioned the bolt had to be shortened a little bit to fit.
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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Thats nice. I can't wait to get this damn thing in! I've been pondering for a damn year now and finally got the nerve to go for it.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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Car: 90' Trans Am
Engine: 94' LT1
Transmission: Built 700R4
I have a 90 trans am with a 93 LT1 and 700R4 works flawless...built the tranny up crazy good too.

My problem is I never did the swap the previous owner did, and he never connected the speedometer. I have no idea where to start to find out how to get it connected.
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Old Jun 24, 2015 | 03:36 PM
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Re: LT1 w/ 700R4 question

This is my first project, and I've kind of bitten a lot off. I am building a 1966 C10 Pickup with an LT1 and 700R4. Should I buy a throttle body from the 93' Camero or is a 92' ok? The TV bracket assembly with stud is something I must obtain as well. What year should I look for this? Is 93 the magic year I need to find? Also... Can anyone take a picture of their TV bracket /stud throttle body form a 93' setup? I'm kinda lost and looking for help.

Thanks!
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