89ROC-Z

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UPDATES ON SECOND PAGE, going l92/LS3 route

Well i'm goin at it full bore now! Thinking I didn't want to do the LS swap right away, i built a custom nitrous kit on my car to spray the 'lil 305. Not even 3/4 way through the first bottle, the clutch starts hating life and dies lol. It really did pull hard on a tiny .044" jet though! Instead of pulling the trans to stick in a new clutch, i'm pulling everything out and going ahead with my swap that kind of started over a year ago. I'm going to build everything on another k member and drop the 305 one day, and install the lsx the next. Should work pretty slick!

Parts Bought Also averaging prices for anyone thinking an LS Swap is cheap.......NOT SO

Changed a little bit from the plan, but as of 4/18/12 i got:

F-body oil pan windage tray pickup tube and dipstick USED $200
ARP 2000 Rod Bolts NEW $100
Melling High Pressure Pump NEW $125
N Motion Billet Timing Set NEW $75
LS7 Lifters NEW $100
Spohns Swap Mounts NEW $85
Notched K $30
F-body Balancer/Pulley NEW $50
Balancer Bolt NEW $5
Hypertech 160* Stat and Housing NEW $50
Complete Swap Harness $500
1998 Coolant Temp Sender NEW $20
1999 Corvette Fuel Filter/Reg NEW $30
Waterpump/pullley/gaskets NEW $110
Front and rear gaskets/seals NEW $60
Oil Pan Gasket NEW $35
Upper and Lower Radiator Hoses NEW $25
Waterpump Loop NEW $5
Tensioneer NEW $35
Power steering pump, res, pulley, lines (4th high pressure, 3rd low pressure) $Free - going manualrack on the T/A
Alt Bracket $Free - moving alt to passenger head on T/A for future turbo
Complete 823 Heads, complete LS3 intake NEW $1000
Ev1 to Ev6 Adapters NEW $35
New Style LS6 Valley with PCV NEW $70
LS1 MAP sensor NEW $30
A-Arm bushings and ball jointsNEW $80
O2 Sensors NEW $50
4th Gen PS pressure hose NEW $20
Oil Cooler Gasket NEW $2
Patriot Extreme Valve Springs NEW $225
Motovative solid motor mounts NEW $85
ARP Head Bolts $110
Trans and Diamond CLutch NEW $XXXX
Speed Bleeder $45
Pro 5.0 $125
Throttle Cable $35
Fuel System $500
4" CAI $150
Torque Arm $185
GM 12610046 Head Gaskets $70
FAST 90mm TB $300
Hawks X member $100
McLeod Racing Master $150
1.75x3" Headers $800
Custom EPS Cam $450
Breather/Catch Can $150



Parts Sold

LB9 $500
T-5 $425
Pro 5.0 $110
317 heads $200
Y Intake and dash pad $100
Cat Back $350
Mallory 685 $150

1nasty86

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you can find everything you need off tech. good luck with your build

89ROC-Z

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Thanks nasty! i've been following your build since the begining...awesome car!
Tech seems to have everything a guy needs (and maybe everything he doesn't haha)

1nasty86

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thanks. your going to love the power of the new ls motor. hope you have a good suspension setup.

BlueZee28

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Hmmm....6.0 iron block, milled 317 heads, MS4...someone's been reading my build thread


The only issue I see with your plans is the LS1 intake. It's not gonna be enough for that nasty cam you're throwing in there. I'd opt for at least an LS6. If I had the money, I'd buy a FAST 92/92 and sell you my LS6. The three things holding my setup back right now are the stock TB, the LS6 intake, and the 317 heads. I'm wanting AFR 215's some day.

Everything else looks good to go though.

89ROC-Z

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Nasty, i got a pretty good suspension, and i love the mostly stock ls1 i got in the TA! The stall is what makes it so much fun haha. I think power wise the 305 was just as powerful on a 44 jet as the TA.

Nick, I'm not copying you, i'm just building what works on a budget Later on i'll be getting a fast and heads, but i'm a broke college student with 2 nice cars and a nice sled lol. If i hadn't bought the TA i'd be going hog wild on the iroc build...Here's a pic of the TA for ya (got some junk stock rims on it right now)

BlueZee28

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You'll soon learn that nothing is on a small budget once you crack open the block

Nice T/A too, what'd you do with the wheels in the picture?

89ROC-Z

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Haha very true. At least i've done enough on cars now that i know to triple my original cost estimate! I'm REALLY doing the bolt ons on a budget though....ie the stock intake and exhaust manis and TB. Everything going into the shortblock is brand new though.

Thanks! It puts the tpi to SHAME haha. I bought it without the wheels. Found some Greg Weld front runners for it locally with new tires though!

Just got some 01 manifolds and LS7 lifters though! I think i'm going to get a melling oil pump and cloyes timing set tomoro.

89ROC-Z

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Question for ya guys: i know the walbro GSS340 pump is the one to use, but do i need anything that comes in the other pumps kit like the little wire connector and pigtail?

Thanks

Pocket

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You need the pigtail for any non OEM walbro

Any local parts store will carry a 96-97 1500 pickup truck pump. LS1 pressure/flow with 3rd gen external dimensions, $90 and a 7 year warranty

Something to think on

ZONES89RS

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Running stock rod bolts in mine to 7100 RPM, i wouldnt worry about them.

89ROC-Z

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Great info! I'll deffinatly go to carquest on monday and get that pump and a 98 cts. You should get my harness on monday or tuesday as well.

Too late i already ordered them $97 worth of insurance i hope. I also ordered a N Motion timing set.

Pocket

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I wouldnt trust stock rod bolts to 7000. Too many on 'tech have exploded at 6500. Im happy making my power under 6000 so Ill build the setup to suit

ZONES89RS

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Meh, it is worth it if you already ordered them, i was scared too till i had SEVERAL friends spinning 7100 tell me to just do it, and i am fine. I see the rod itself snap before the bolts.

89ROC-Z

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They surely can't hurt! They should help with me spraying it anyways.

89ROC-Z

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Nothing new really. Just getting some more parts in. Bought a Melling high pressure pump tonight, should work well with the N Motion timing set i hope. LS7 lifters should be here tomorrow. Oh and i finally got an electric fuel pressure gauge.

Another quick question. I got an 03 lq4 that should be rebuilt, but i found a lower mileage 6 liter out of a 2004 chevy 2500 HD. The two motors should be the same correct? I'm wondering when GM went to the front mount cam sensor, as i think the 04 would be a genIV? If it is a gen4, that means it has a 58x reluctor right? If it does i'll have to look for something older, as the ecm i'm using is from the 03 24x

1nasty86

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i believe they went to the 58 wheel in 06??? correct me if im wrong..

Pocket

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Most trucks went GEN IV in 07, vans 08

The new 6.0 should be no different than the higher mileage one with regards to what you'll be using from it

89ROC-Z

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Good deal thanks for the info guys!

Still collecting parts, i do got my spare k member notched and coated though!

1nasty86

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update????

89ROC-Z

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Not much for an update, been working 13 hour days lately


K notched and coated


LQ4 that needs a rebuild (bought last fall, going to pick up another that runs excelent)


new shop fans....haha yea right. Cows gotta stay cool

89ROC-Z

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Quick question, what do you guys think the difference is between these 2 filters and regs?
IX Part # 33737
$32.79Add to Cart


ACDELCO Part # GF822 {#10299146, 19239926} replaces 10299146
FILTER,FUEL
$72.79Add to Cart

BlueZee28

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I'm not sure what to tell you about the filters, other than mine came from O'Reilly's and was about $40.00

Pocket

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Those are some massive fans. Im jealous

Filters look identical. Most likely its the same supplier and the middle man is marking them up by slapping their name on. Ive got the WIX in mine, no problems

89ROC-Z

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Yea Nick that's about what napa wanted as well.

LOL, i should of wrote that they for my swap, should pull enough air across the rad
I can't imagine that there's a handful of different companys making filter/reg combo. I think i'll get alot of the stuff i need yet from rock auto, best prices i've found plus the 5% discount

Speedfreak391

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I see your in Minnesota. What city are you in. I am in the process of the same build basically but with a 5.3.

And thanks for the info on the fuel pump I will be going to oreilley's in the morning as well!

89ROC-Z

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i'm in mcleod county west of the cities about an hour. How bout you?

89ROC-Z

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Got my oil pan stuff today. Sent a massive list of parts i need to my buddy that works at carquest aswell. Spohn mounts are ordered, balancer bolt and pulley.

What fitting are you guys using for a oil pressure sender on that piece by the filter? 1/4 npt?

Pocket

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None, use the stock LS1 sender hooked directly to the 3rd gen wire in the C100

89ROC-Z

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Thanks Jon

Are you guys re-using the gaskets on these motors? Primarily the valve cover gaskets, timing cover, and valley cover.

89ROC-Z

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Kinda need to know about the gaskets tonight. He was going to order them tomorrow

BlueZee28

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Most of the gaskets on these motors can be re-used, sincee they are metal and rubber. If they're in good shape, use them, but if the rubber is at all cracked or worn I would not take the chance. The valve cover gaskets on my car have probably 160,000 miles on them, I took them off before I had the covers powder coated and re-installed them. No problems here whatsoever.

89ROC-Z

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Thanks Nick. I got new timing cover gasket and seal, oil pan gasket, and valley cover gasket.

Updated my first post aswell. I'm not getting anything for the intake or heads yet....i know i can't get this done before fall semester starts, so i might keep saving and get a ls3 intake/rails/injectors and some l92's and mill them .025 or .030. Keyword there is MIGHT, i;d have to change the map and injector wires/connectors on my harness which should be here Friday!

forgot to order the 95 3.4 upper hose though haha

Pocket

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Id recommend new intake gaskets (they're cheap) because they get flattened pretty bad over the years. Everything else other than headgaskets is reusable. Id recommend F/R main seals just for GP too

89ROC-Z

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Good thing i got those with the intake lol. Good catch on the crank seals...that'd suck if i had it in the car and the rear started leaking!


Anyone got some clamshell mounts i can BORROW? They fit in the mid size flat rate box i guess and i'd pay for shipping both ways.

BlueZee28

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I've got a set you can borrow as long as I get them back lol

Head gaskets can be re-used too if you get the good cometic ones.

Pocket

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It takes 20 mins to put the poly inserts in. I wouldnt bother with a 2nd set unless you aim to set a record or something

89ROC-Z

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I don't have any clamshells yet. My plan is/was to use the stockers as models for the solids i could make for free.

BlueZee28

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I don't see how the poly inserts would rot from heat coming off the exhaust. With the longtubes I have, there's a decent distance between the headers and the mounts. My brake lines are only and inch or so from the header and I've never had a problem with the brakes, I don't see why I could get a case of rotten bushings.

89ROC-Z

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I'm sure the poly's are tougher than nails, but my "budget" is becoming non existent the way things are going lol.

On a different note, i got Pockets harness in the mail today! Looks great and worth every penny. Can't wait for the big brown truck to get here on monday with some other goodies lol. Got quite the list of items to get yet...

As for the nitrous, i'm going to get Lingenfelters LNC-002. Has a 2 step and timing control up to 15*. If i end up going EFI Live instead of HP tuners, i'll use EFI's feature to pull timing. Too bad my Mallory won't work on ls motors Should be fun though... even with 400 to the wheels NA, i'll hit it with a 150 through the standalone, 550rwhp baby!! Should be PLENTY haha

The debate of l92/ls3 still lingers though.....any opinions on that? Stock LS3 injectors are good to ~550rw, buying a complete ls3 intake would be cheaper than getting injectors for the lil ls1 intake i got

89ROC-Z

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Need help with some items i'm trying to get sorted out:

Where are you guys findings O2 sensors with the 4 wire flat connectors? A certain make/model/year would be great.

How do you guys like the cableX box? I heard it's kind of slow when you start moving, but doesn't seem like a big deal. Was looking at electric speedos, but than i'd get the urge to do what 5.7kid did and get ALL new gauges lol

Are any of you running hot on the stock 3rd gen radiator? A buddy of mine has a no name aluminum one for sale.


Thanks

Pocket

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90's-00's S10s all used the 4 wire flat O2s and had 3-4 per truck. Get more than you need in case you get a bad one or two. LT1 cars used the 4 wire flats for the front O2s and LS1 4 sq females for the rears, but are less common

Read this on the Cable-X box
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/conver...ease-tell.html

Id personally update the gauges unless you just like the looks of the stockers

My stock 92 radiator with a single fan is keeping me cool

89ROC-Z

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Damn Pocket i think you should be like Patrick the cam god on tech, start charging a buck for every question you answer on here, you'd be 1000s richer by next week lol. Seriously you're the most knowledgable guy on here.

I might redo everything to ultra-lites for the gauges, already using a water and oil temp.

I passed on that rad, fins where bent and although i've bent numerous straight on tractors (my other hobby is restoring old iron) i don't want to risk anything on this car

Edit: Forgot to ask...manual or power steering? If i can find a power steering pump i'll go power, but i can't find one for a decent price and new is 300+

Pocket

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I wouldnt go that far...

Id stick with PS. The bracket, and pulley are cheapies off ebay for <$50. From previous experience Id suggest a new pump and high pressure line with a warranty from a local parts store. The hard part to find is the reservoir. Check 'tech, you may get lucky and find one for around $30. New they are about $80 (more than the pump)

89ROC-Z

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Thanks.

Going to get a ultra-lite speedo for $200 instead of the cabble x for $325, or i might go with the speed hut set for around 500 includeing speedo tach oilpress watertemp volts and gas

Found a ps bracket for 35 shipped, new pump and pulley for 90, and res for 60 on flebay...ugh

1nasty86

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Update....Pics?????

89ROC-Z

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I got to remember to bring the camera out lol.

NOt much has happened. Got the spohn mounts on the k though. Did order a new water pump/pulley/gaskets, Front cover gasket and seal, rear cover gasket and seal, valley cover gasket and oil pan gasket.

Been extremely busy framing those massive fans in and the other daily tasks of dairying haha.

It's really coming down to $$$ to order all the little **** that ends up costing more than the motor itself. Got another $200 worth of crap in my rockauto cart that i need to order.

Hows your car coming along? You spray through Daves plate yet?

89ROC-Z

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Biggest problem i'm having with this build is knowing where to stop.

Since i'll have the front end all apart do i put all new steering parts in? tierods center link bushings etc.
Do i get tubular a arms or spend the $100 on putting new ball joints and poly bushings in the stockers, and still have to blast and paint them?
Get new upper strut mounts?

Or just leave everything the way it is....

It's a vicious cycle...

1nasty86

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bought the whole coilover, k-member, and a-arm kit. which is great btw! and no i havent had the pleasure of spraying or cranking my car yet. lol

Pocket

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I kept the stock stuff with new bushings/ball joints. Had I not been in such a hurry, I would have degreased and painted everything