THere are r1c3r meets down in South Park sometimes. That's only 10-15 mins from my house. Maybe we should go terrorize them sometime



but seriously guys. Lets get some locations and time frames in mind and try and hook up. I really want to see alot of your guys' cars. Particularly your's Orr

Id be happy to terrorize the ricers haha, just let me know. I'll PM you my cell number.

But like he said, lets get something together pretty soon cuz summer is going by fast and Id like to get a few meets in..

hey guys i just found this thread but anyway i see that you live in rostraver stippy???

I live in smithton, im sure youve seen my camaro around it sticks out like a sore thumb. Painted orange.

I would definetly be up for any / all meets that i could attend being as though im laid off with nothing better to do anyway.

Pm me or keep posting!
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not sure if you guys use myspace or not but i have a pic or two of the camaro at www.myspace.com/myrhapsodyinblue

My car should have been done a while ago. Ran into some "snags" and it still sits. Im all about a meet, but I dont think I will be able to do one this year. Although depending on the weather I may be able to around September. But Im not going to hold my breath.

I'm also hitting some snags in my car.. Stuff that i thought i had fixed is coming back and haunting me. A bunch of electrical bugs i think, but i'm having a hard time finding them.

but ill still go to any meet around if you guys dont mind a mustang


or i could drive the grand am

i hopefully get inspected and passed tomorrow so i'll be ready to cruise around with you guys whenever!! another week or so and i'll be ready to dyno!!

Yea. I can't wait to see those numbers


btw orr. i meant to ask you a question. I remember getting some advice from you on my FIRST engine build. you suggest AFR 195s for it. However i've had to do some serious rust work on the Grand Am and im down another pile of money. My dad suggested a 355 since "I've had really good luck with them, and it won't require any machine work for the crank. If that's still not enough power when your done, then you can just do a LSx swap later". Sounds good to me, and my budget. Anyways, my question is, on the smaller displacment engine, would the 180s be better? Or, with what you have seen on the FIRST system and what you know about engiens, do you think it would flow well enough to stay with the 195s, and just get a cam to match. I only ask cause i was reading the 180s are from idle to 5500, and the 195s are from 2000 to 6500. I was kinda shooting for a 1500 - 6000 power band, so i wasn't sure what would be better. Its kinda right in the middle. Although i also was going to spray ~150 so maybe the 195s are better either way???? No clue. Im still so new to this stuff so i figured i ask u if it wasnt much trouble.

and Summit has AFRs now (maybe i just couldnt find em before. but now i can!)







also, anyone need a hatch/ hatch glass?? I got the one off my iroc. I dont wanna junk it cause the glass is perfect, but i can't find anyone that needs one and i don't have the room.


~Doug

With the first on a hot 355 you can do the 195's. ALot of ppl run TPI stuff with 195's. they wont kill the motor at all. 180's are great heads too tho and you cant go wrong with those for a 355 either. For a bigger cam definately do the 195's.

More streetable 355 with smaller mid grade cam would be 180's i'd say

Well as long as the 195s dont hurt it sub 2000 RPM (from the 2000-6500) i suppose i will just go with the 195s. They're the same price after all (which slightly surprises me)

they wont. they have excellent port design to keep velocity up at low rpms low lifts so you will be fine with a good tune

its the same price because its the same base casting i believe with same parts, just smaller port cut on the cnc machines.

I've been waiting to see your car on the road again. Think you'll make it up to the wexford cruise anytime this year? My wheels and tires should be here this week so I can finally mine inspected and out to the cruise this Friday if all goes well.

so were there any members at the etna car cruise last night? I was the only person there with the ***** to do even a single burnout let alone four. The only other person was in a mustang and he stalled it. lol

But ya. I think i'm going to be planning a dash swap from analog to digital. I was wonderin if there is anybody in the area that could help me out when i decide to do it. If anybody knows someone that can help, hit me up.


PS we need to have a meet sometime soon.

i hope to make a few cruises this year, thats for sure. I want to hit up wexford and i do plan to go to Irwin/Norwin cruise as well

wexford is far from me but i dont mind goin out there sometime. I gotta check the schedule for that cruise. I dont get out of work til 4:30 mostly so i hope i can get down there by 6-7. after i eat dinner, etc, it takes me awhile

but the car runs and runs good. Tracked it once already and ran 11.67 at 116 with more in it which is good hope to see low 11's at 120 in good air

i was at irwin last night and saw this clean ta




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Anyone head down to the flashlight drags today? It was a wash but still a good show for the hour and change it was running. THere were maybe 10 thirdgens. i think like 3 firebirds that were kinda crappy. A pretty good running GTA (low 13s maybe) a few FAST white RS's (12's?) and this one totally crazy black camaro that whooped up on everyone (11s)


unfortunately i couldn't quite piece my baby together in time

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Nice. I should finally have mine at wexford this friday. I ordered wheels and tires 9 weeks ago and finally got 3 of them thursday. DHL lost one and then decided the second time around that next day shipping from cincinnati should take about 4 days I did take it out for a little drive without an inspection sticker and the afpr definitely helped alot.

Hard to tell but i think those are the same wheels i got for my firebird. I was hoping that wouldn't happen this soon.

nice what wheels did you get? ROH's or something? or TTII's? wheels in that pic sorta look like ROH wheels

I got the Foose nitrous legends. The ones in the pic kind of look like them but its hard to tell. The spokes on the foose might be a little narrower. The three that I have look great on the car. Should have gotten bigger tires for the rear though. I may do that for next year.

that will look nice

With the new paint and wheels its a big improvement. I'm going to try and have a new windshield put in this week. I had to take the molding off to paint and it was getting pitted anyway. I still need to get the decals and wraparound spoiler, but that may have to wait awhile. I'll get pics up as soon as I get everything together and take a break from driving it. I've only really had it out twice this year, and that was before the ignition and afpr. I miss driving it.

man i cant wait to see it!

Ive done a tune-up on my bird, and ordered a few things. Ordered a new amp, new headliner since Ive never had one since I bought the car, and a power door relay from a guy on here. Already got the amp and installed it, its ridiculous, period lol. Headliner should take a few weeks to receive, but I cant wait to get it into the car. Relay should be here in a few days.


Next on the list is a nice Grant Steering Wheel

Well, my starter took a crap last night so I got a mini starter ordered from summit already. Going to call about the windshield today. If all goes well I'll be at wexford this friday.

I got my wheels looking sexy. Ton of work and my hands and neck are killing me, but they're nice now. I stripped all 4 down with aircraft stripper, scuffed em abit, taped them off with awesome precision taping (), sprayed the inserts black with wheel paint, polished the aluminum after removing the tape, and then cleared em! lookin good now

just got subframe connectors delivered, now just need time to install them. Not sure when i'll do that. Battery relocation stuff is coming too but i need a alternator feed wire

weld or bolt on?

weld on style, i just dont have ramps to put the fronts on to load up the suspension so i'll have to think of another way. Maybe jack stands under the a arms?

ive never put any on so i dont know what would be best..... however i only live a few minutes from you if you need help plus it would give me a chance to check out your car in person instead of in pics....

yeah how far are you from delmont? it be nice to met up sometime

new stanton behind sony. not far at all.

oh sweet i been out that way before. you take your car to the track much? i may be going out again this wednesday

ive never been to the track. i would go this wedsnesday but im going to the beach. i definatly would like to go.

I got four big blocks of wood u can use,or do it here!
u want ur car sitting on its tires in all four corner!

That sounds like a plan, but i'll see whenever i can get around to doing it. maybe this weekend. Being new to welding i'm nervous about doing it myself but dont really wanna pay someone to do it either

i was thinking about somehow using my jack stands under the A-arms if possible and support at the kmember just to be safe. I may beable to get some ramps or blocks of wood to use. I have a old rail road tie laying around i think i can use.

I saw that black T/A at the cruise as well. That thing was super clean.

Deadman, what time were you at that cruise?

Hey Orr, wanna weld on mine while you're at it? JK. Which sfcs did you get? I got the umis.

Also, when is the Irwin car show? I used to go every now and then, but that was a few years ago. Down in that shopping plaza off of 30 right?

haha i'm not a great welder by any means... i'll see how my set goes. If i feel confident to do it agian, i could try yours. lol

I got spohns in powdercoated red

That irwin carshow is every saturday i believe. starts like at 5ish. yep still in that plaza

hey all, sorry to just chime in randomly but im willing to meet up, I about 1 1/2 hours away. Right in Erie Pa. There are no third gens (at least in decent condition) around here so it would def be worth the trip to me.

anybody by any chance wanna have a small meet tomorrow? I finally have a day off and my 88 will be gone soon. lol

i'm heading out to Pittsburgh raceway if the rain holds off

they wont be open,,

cool, I'll definitely be there one of these days. I dont know if I'll bring my car, its kind of embarrassing looking right now, being all in primer.

I was actually thinking of calling 1st-try engineering for my sfc's, I got a recommendation from a guy at JJ's automotive.

Now I just need to find a place to fix my stupid steering!

Jeff & 1st-try can both

cool, I talked to him a couple months ago, real nice guy.

I'm only 6 months overdue on these things, they've been sitting in my spare bedroom since February.

I didnt even think about him about my steering. I'm at my whits end, and if its not fixed by xmas, the cars getting sold!

jeff deosnt have a drive on rack lift, but i guess you can still load the suspension on a 4post lift

YEP PRP is canceled tonight

Hey guys, Im back from my trip. Went to Conneaut Lake for a few days to get away after my dog died last Thursday.

Im still looking for a block to start my engine build if anyone knows where an 85' or older 350 or 400 SBC is let me know. I found a 400 SBC that I was supposed to look at after my trip, but was sold this morning so my search is still on. If you even know of any 85' or older 350/400s that run Id be interested in those too.

If nobody can help me, Ill be going back to Craigslist & Junkyards lol.

damn, i still got my 89 roller block here. just do a roller

Trying to get away from computers, thats why Im looking for 85' and back. I thought you would have sold that block by now lol..

I might have found a 350, its a 70' with Camel heads so its worth more than the average 350. Asked me how much Id pay, and I told him $200-250. He told me hed give me a call in a few days after he asked his yardman what he should sell it for. I might just stop back tomorrow and see, I really want to find a block so I can get started on it so its ready to be dropped in by this winter lol.

you can run carb on it..just is setup to run roller cam which is nicer than flat tappets. its the way i'd go


camel heads arent anything special... actually most factory heads suck save for vortecs and L98 heads. But even L98 heads suck flow wise. even the aluminums suck

i'd just get a block if i were you and have it built up with the parts you want and look for good set of heads