i thought they replaced it already and didnt fix the problem?

replaced it with a used one who knows if its been dropped... but when i drove it on the dyno for a good while after for idling for 20 mins with a stable idle nothing, drove it for about a mile circle, took a right on arden, right onto hurley, and right onto morse back to the shop, nothing kept it at around 2500rpms, with a partial throttle to 3,000 nothing,

this thing is wierd....

pop in a new 02 so I can stop bitchin' about it.

Ya, hurry up and pop in a new O2, how long does it take to do that Eric, what kind of shop are you running anyway, lol, new O2 takes weeks to put in. Poor David has to keep waiting and wondering.

Hope you brought your barf bag!!!



Seiously I can swap an O2 in 30 min with beer time.

I'll have an answer by wednesday. See you guys at the track. IROCDADDY, need more gas on the IROC for the track.

Fill her up Bennie......
put it on my tab.

damn!, my Busa just croaked at a light and I had to walk the rest of the way to work. gotta' trailer it to the shop now.

So is the car finally fixed or what, how does it run and what are the times from the track?

The car runs great but I just don't like it when surges at 2500rpm. who has an extra distributor lying around?

I got a chance to see your car for a quick minute David.
Looks really clean and sounds good!
Will look great after some paint. Any idea on color?

I got one, but its an incap coil HEI

tell eric to pull the one off the rs

looks like eric's yankin' his dizzy out for me. If it is the dist. It could possibly be the pick up coil or?

I did test the module and pick up already. we will see.

I looked at Bennies Z yesterday....Damn clean sleeper.



My car will always wear it's factory red shade...sorry guys...gotta have it the same. I'm too picky to do a color change.


Oh and Bennie....I saw that sneaky looking exhaust on the Z.

I will have to get my electric three inch cutout put on just after the cats for a bit more at the track.

new direction.........


Ace mechanics say nope to the dizzy being the problem......

new clue...."hey, who adjusted your rockers man"

i doubt its rockers.

like i say, keep it red especially if thats what it came with from factory.

btw i had an electric cutout, wasnt thrilled with it, the design of them makes them prone to leaking. mine did, all they use is some rtv to seal it when its closed.

keep that in mind, im gonna do cutouts again but ill stay manual next time.

Most likely not the rocker adjustment, too tight you'd have a surge at idle,always..probably not too noticible at higher RPM..., too loose you'd here the "clack" and know before you ever took it in to get fixed.

Also, a quick monitor of intake vacuum at idle would tell you where to look for mechanical or ignition issues...but seems there's only a problem at 2500 now?

That's good.

I'd monitor Rich/lean flag and open/closed loop during the surge and see if it's related. Also would want to know the number of O2 crosscounts during the surge too. May want to disconnect the AIR (if it's still on and active), I've experienced bad diverter valves flaking with the AF readings.

Was an injector balance test run?

damn David, your car is a mystery, will it ever be fixed? Sorry to hear you have to keep hunting for the problem, good luck, hope it's done in time for the meet, good luck.

Any news....?????

well no news yet...id like to readjust those rocker arms with you just to verify....did a vaccum check what day was it like last week sometime and it pulled like 10inhg or 15 dont remember and it was steady though thats what i do remember,

the rocker arms make some noise above idle when holding steady thats why i would like to just readjust them

what you otta do is come down here and bug bennie hahaha
dont tell him to take his time or he will it seems that the idle doesnt surge any more its just a misfire...

that sounds good eric- the re-adjust of the rockers...

what about the misfire?

can we just let it idle and then pull plug wires one by one until we find the miss?


I guess we can spend one day pulling your upper and adjusting my rockers and oh yeah, put in your x-box.

let me know.

Is this beast running right yet?

Yeah what's the word on that sweet ride.
This thread started on 8/23/05.

well actually its a tight motor ahah we didnt want to strip the crank bolt cause it was so tight to turn, so we orderd a crank turning tool you remove the pully and bolt it to the harmonic balancer and use that to turn instead

and actually it just got here yesterday rockers should be adjusted by monday

can someone loan me the money to get my ride here back?

whats the damage?

Ace mechanics say 323.00 I'll get it somehow.


Eric says idle a bit ruff still..thinks injectors..


Hey Eric-
did you guys set my f.p. up for me as well?

is this thing all adjusted so I don't have to mess with it other than injectors?


Bennie wants to hire me to do ALL the rocker adjusts out of his shop!

hey what size injectors ya running?

bennie says it idles rough still.. i think its just fine...
bennie just doesnt like that odd ball injector haha...

what do i know im just an auto seceratary ahha...scroll down the the 3rd post in this thread

final conclusions

the swinging idle stopped after o2
and iac adjustment
the misfires surging stopped after rocker arm adjustment

The E-train was rt. on the money

you guys are funny . the car accelerate/pull harder now after the rocker arm adjustment. also the tapping sound coming from the right bank is no longer present. however, the idle quality does not meet my standard. it doesn't have that rythm i expect from a ZZ4.

IROCDADDY,
are you going to run it friday night? it's ready to let see what she can do in the 1320.

That thing sounded real healthy too

with a bad idle is tha ta good diea?

it idles good.

didnt u just post that? now it idles great?

dude..."good idle" does not meet my standard in this case. on a scale from 1-10, good is somewhere between 4-6. show me where i posted it idles great.

Well see on my 1-10 scale of how great "great" is, good is like a 7-9

that's a good one terrell

forget all the let's go racing....

Vin, are you gonna run your car? I wanna see her run. She sounded and idled "GREAT" not just "good" when you drove it the shop.

I heard VINFUKENDEEZL isn't going

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh...............

I gotta tell ya, no offense to the shop, but take it as you see fit.

6 weeks to figure out that a misfire is actually a surge ? (see my reply as to what mis-adjusted valves would cause)

If you can't tell the difference between a surge and a misfire, then maybe it's best to stick to stuffing the stick up the tailpaipe and putting the car on the roller.


ad "adjust" the IAC? Cmon, I gotta know how the "adjust the IAC" was done...unless someone went into the PROM, but if that person had that knowledge, then there would be no issues with an idle quality.


I dunno, maybe the " Problem Statement" wasn't clear to me, but I do know for a fact, that valve adjustment and IAC is no resolution to a "misfire".

the car is devil red you know.

I don't think it ever idled smooth since the zz4 went in.


now that some here are getting into chip burning I will have to get into that to finnd my missing idle quality I'm thinking

it didnt take 6 weeks, when david says take your time, it didnt get worked on too much...partly davids fault for letting bennie take his time haha only time it got worked on is when there wasnt much to do.

so dont go bad mouthing a shop unless you know the story,

and well this car had multiple problems it wasnt just the rocker arms were mis adjusted, the distrubtor wasnt shimmed properly causing play, that o2 sensor was bad, and the idle needed to be raised so as far as im concerned

shove your thoughts in your *** until you come and check the shop out for your self

Awww...you don't like me much, do you?

But I better get to shoving those thoughts up my ***..wouldn't want to leave it up to you, might not get done until '06

hey guys come on no fighting amongst us please...I think what eric meant to say is that the shop is mainly just for smog diagnostics, but are always willing to help out a friend if they need their car worked on. Since David didn't exactly need the car right away, I'm sure its understandable that doing that much work to the car should take several weeks. But ya it was David's own word to let them work on it, its not like its their specialty (although I'm sure they do just fine).
So no more fighting.

Ya...you're right.

I apologize for my comments, and will leave it at that.

actually its the other way around, our main source of income is auto repair, but it took long because david said take your time haha, so naturally took the time...

we seldom get smog repairs, if anyone can vouch for work it would be the longest customer
cough del cough del.... hahah


well david come on and pick up your car already haha so that you can

Yeah I guess I'll chime in here before it gets more retarded.

To somebody who hasn't been to the shop, it's hard to understand how things work there.
I've been taking my car to Bennie before most of y'all were even on these boards and can vouch for the work in general.

The priority for in->out right away IS smog and general repair, but providing an in-depth diagnostic/high performance or major work where time is not a major concern to the customer is worked out with Bennie prior to leaving the keys.

Not that I'm saying 6 weeks is to be expected, but you do get quality work there and are not paying massive labor charges for the amount of time that is actually being spent under the hood.

I've taken my rides' in there for small stupid stuff that's taken a couple hours or the occasional big job that's taken over a month.
You just need to be prepared beforehand with what you need and how soon you need it.
If you leave it wide open, he will take his time and only touch it when he can.
Hope that clears it up a bit.

well said