HI im new at this place, i have a 92 Camaro RS 302, with a shift kit(auto), streight pipes, and 10k on my new engine.(same as stock engine just a rebuild)
What would it take for me to beat a 99 Mustang GT?? I want to blow his doors off without any NOS.
thanks

You have 170 HP, he has 260 HP. You run 16.0, he runs 14.0, in the 1/4 mile. You're not going to do it without a lot of mods. Check the TBI forum.

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West Coast GM Shootout 2001!
1991 Camaro Z28
5.7L 5-Speed (originally 305)
13.25 @ 107.18 MPH
Southern California
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My advice to you would be 3 ways.

1.The easy less expensive,and more sensible.Sell car,take most of the money put down on a good running 89-92 5.7 G92 IROC or Z28.(around $4K)Spend about $500 in mods($300 Torque converter,100 shiftkit,$90 tuneup,$10 miscellaneus free mods.See $20K Mustang at light,step on gas and smoke.
2.spend about $3000 to mod your TBI
3.spend about $4000 on a crate moter and used TPI.
I'm not knocking your RS,they are good cars,but I dont understand why some people buy them to go fast.Sure it can be done,but why put in upwards of $3000 in parts on a $2500-$3000 car that will still be worth about $3000?

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1990 Trans Am GTA
Black/Black leather
350 auto 3.23 dual cats
SLP package
SLP torque converter
SLP shift kit
Fastchip PROM
245/50/16 GSC's
G-Tech
0-60 5.1 1/4mile 13.6@104
Previous thirdgen
1986 Camaro IROC-Z
PearlGreen/Gray
305 TPI
15.1@93

[This message has been edited by black5.7GTA (edited March 09, 2001).]

Uhh you won't Smoke a new stang with a 350 TPI and tuneup even with a TC

you have a 305 not 302

302's are better than 305's.

With exhaust and a torque converter a 90-92 5.7L f-body should beat a 99+ Mustang GT.

I did.My best friend has a 99GT 5spd.The only mods I had done to my GTA were an SLP torque converter,SLP shiftkit,Mobil 1 ATF,Mobil 1 oil,SLP Wires(had them from my IROC),Bosch plugs,new module,coil cap & roter,8 deg.timeing,ported plenum,t-body coolant bypass hose,K&N air filter,oh and an SLP flowbooster.He had a K&N.I would always take him off the line and about the first 1/8 mile.He started to catch me after that and I dont know if he would have taken me in the quarter.He did used to beat me on the highway(but only by alittle though)Now he's got 3.73's and an H-pipe,but I still beat him with the mods I have now street or highway.

i have the best way to beat him and cheapest go get one of the vavle stem tools from walmart or a parts store and loosen the valve inside the valve stem and flatten his tires. hehe just kidding if you really like your car and want to swap engines i would suggest a crate for easy installation and they arent that bad of a deal plus they come with warranties. or if you like to do things your self build you own engine and use either TBI or TPI which ever you like best TINFY

I can't really belive the 99 gts run 14.0 they don't even stay withoff the line they seem slower than the older ones more like 14.9-14.5

well we went to the track today!!!
i ran an amazing 15.6 however my buddie spanked me silly!! he ran 13.8, completly stock, those new stangs have *****. he was only about 3 tenths slower than the new Zs were running today. But maybe ill supercharge mine, then i might eat him!!!

I raced a 99 GTS yesterday at the track. He managed a 15.08 to my 305s 14.9.

Maybe he couldn't drive, I dunno.

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Cosmik Debris

what does a Celica GT-S have to do with beating stangs?

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1988 Pontiac GTA 5.0 TPI
-K&N Filter
-Hypertech Air Foil
-Hypertech Perf. Chip
-2.5in Flowmaster Muffler
-Catco Hi-flow Cat

15.32@88mph
2.077 60-ft.
Kills
94 Probe GT, 95 Mustang GT, 96 Impala SS, 85 Thunderbird 5.0, 95 Accord V6, 98 Integra VTEC, 70 Chevelle Malibu, CRX w/ Turbo and Intercooler (have it on tape to prove it)

99 Mustang GT, sorry! I don't know what a Celica GTS is.

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Cosmik Debris

If someone only got a 15.0 out of a 99GT they need to seriously think about takeing some driving courses.

Why pay 4000 for a new TBI motor when Gm just came out with a new 350hp,400torque ram jet that is a easy swap and you can pick that up for 4200 plus installation... I put on exhaust and a chip with a 160 thermo and ram air and i came close to beating a stock 99 gt... 0-60 and in quarter we weren't more then a second off.

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91 RS, 305 TBI
-Jet Chip 2
-160 degree thermostat
-Spintech Exhaust
-Ram Air (custom)
- K&N airfilter
Future Mods:
-350 Ram Jet engine
-T56 tranny
-3.9.6 Possi Rearend.

14.0s? in a 4.sux? noway! they are slow as hell..... i wack em everytime, now im sure stick is faster i know i can take any unmoded mustang GT

the only newer mustang i respect is the black 99' i guy i know that has full borla exaust and a vortec s-trim! now thats a fast car.... new GT? Bah! chick car! my friends 95' stick mustang takes new GT to school too.. hes got some stuff done but wow!

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89' Firebird Formula WS6 L98, MSD 6AL MSD Blaster, Hypertech chip, K/N filter cone,flowmaster 80 series, hypertech air foil, koni shocks, edelbrock trailing arms

more to come soon.....

my friend's 95' is a V6 btw

I have an 82 Trans Am that had a 305 and just put close to $3000 in the engine but whenever someone pulls up next to me and says to his friends "Watch this" as the light changes and all he sees is my tail lights then what can I say even though it isn't going to be sold for what I got in it why and when would I sell it if I wanted to put the new engine in it? If I wanted to get a fast car that I could sell again then the better choice would have been a newer one but I know I will have it for another 5 or six years and just play with it.

Um,the 99+Mustang GT's are far from a slow car.My best friend ran 13.9@101 with just his silencer out, a K&N,and 18 inch Nittos in 80 deg.weather.Go check out the mustang board,they are mid 13 second cars with gears and tires.If you ever drove one you'll see what I mean,they have such snappy throttle response and dont run out of breath.i have alot more respect for those cars than the 96-98 4.6's.You must be racing the automatic ones or sticks that the people cant drive,and ther is no way a 95 V6 stang will beat a 99+ unless it has a supercharger,cam,and heads.



[This message has been edited by black5.7GTA (edited March 16, 2001).]

I beat one on the street, and one at the track. The 99+s w/ their 260hp are much faster than the older 4.6s (non cobra). The 99 at the track was running a solid 4-5 tenths faster than the stock 5.0 5spd Stangs that were there...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

Ditto, The 99' - current stang's (v-6 and v-8's) are quite a bit faster than pre 99. I almost bought a new 5 speed stang early last year. Then I decided to save $16,000 and buy my GTA. No regrets!!

Barry Izold
89 T/A, GTA
Modified 350/T-5

black5.7GTa I believe you beat a Stock 99GT with An SLP TC, Shiftkit, ignition, ported plenum, Aftermarket Chip, SLP package and K&N. I am talking about just a tuneup and TC. Besides you say he catches up to you. When someone says smoke another car I think that as beating a car by over half a second in the Quarter.

Mike 92,I am talking about on the street,at a stoplight,and from a slight roll.I did it more than once with just those mods.I would take him off the line,have about a car on him,then he would start to inch closer,then we would stop because of COPS!He did used to pull on me alittle on the highway though.I never raced him at the track so,I dont know what would have happened.Around that time he did show me his 13.9@101 timeslip with just a K&N and 18 inch (street) Nittos,so he can drive.I was G-teching a best of 13.8@102 with the mods I already listed and an SLP catback,thats it.Thats quite possibly a 13.7@100 at the track.I added the rest of the stuff later,and stopped racing him from a dead stop,due to my worsened traction.I would beat him worse from a roll though,hold on to it,leave him,and beat him on the highway.Now he has 3.73's and an H-pipe(no cats) and Flowmasters,and its alot closer on the street,but I am confident in saying a well tuned 89-92 dualcat 350 TPI with just a good torque converter,shift kit,traction,and free mods,can beat a 99+GT from a stoplight and the 1/8mile(about a 8.8@77,a 99+GT is about a 9.0-9.1),and possibly the 1/4.(13.8@99 to 13.9-14.1 GT)

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1990 Trans Am GTA,Black/Black Leather,350,auto 3.23,Dual Cats,
SLP Package,SLP Torque Converter/Shift Kit,Fastchip,GSC's,
G-tech 0-60 5.1 1/4mile 13.6@104
member www.transamgta.com
Previous Thirdgen
1986 Camaro IROC-Z

[This message has been edited by black5.7GTA (edited March 17, 2001).]

Hell i beat a 99 GT when we were both stock( but not my much at all) and now were both moded and i kill him - but i have more mods than he does- oh well, i still win

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1992 Z28 W/5.7L. Teal with unpainted cowl hood,18" Billet Specialities Rims,Eibach Sportline Springs, Leather int., B&M Mega Shifter, Headman Headers, Flows,No Cats,K&N,HyperTech air foil,Custome Burned Chip,MSD Ignition,Shift Kit, Billet Corvett Servo my Back License plate reads "ALL UL C"
Here's a pic of my car
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I messed with a 99 GT conv, probably a 2-valve, with my 97 Tahoe and he never pulled away from me until 104 mph when my limiter came on. I think they are really slow. I can't wait for my TTA to go back on the road.

Pete

Now guys, I know about 99% of you people are Ford haters...but somebody has to stick up for them. I know they're the reason that our F-bodies are a dying breed and they're the reason for GM discontinuing the F-bodies...but still, I think our bigger enemy is across the ocean. Anyways, I'm not saying that any of you hasn't beaten a 99 GT, all I wanna say is that you gotta give Ford credit for making a 14.0 sec car out of only 260 hp. A fully loaded GT convertible with an AUTOMATIC tranny is still running 14.6, I think. The LT-1 had 275 (285) hp and stock performance was only 14.4. (note: I'm not sure if the 14.4 was auto or manual, sounds like an auto to me) anyways, dont underestimate them, if the driver knows what he's doing, then they CAN be a threat if lightly modded. And they ARE a lot cheaper than F-bodies with base GTs starting at 23k, while Camaros start around 25k. Now I know what ya'll are gonna say..a stock LS-1 with a 6 speed and minor mods is capable of 12's. and thats true, i've seen it, but do you know how hard it is to work on those d@mn engines halfway underneath the dash? I cant stand it. Well i've about said enough to get me banned from thirgen, lol. I'll shut up now....I still LOVE F-bodies and hate imports!

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1988 Pontiac GTA 5.0 TPI
-K&N Filter
-Hypertech Air Foil
-Hypertech Perf. Chip
-2.5in Flowmaster Muffler
-Catco Hi-flow Cat

15.32@88mph
2.077 60-ft.
Kills
94 Probe GT, 95 Mustang GT, 96 Impala SS, 85 Thunderbird 5.0, 95 Accord V6, 98 Integra VTEC, 70 Chevelle Malibu, CRX w/ Turbo and Intercooler (have it on tape to prove it)

When I was stock, and very out of tune (needed a tune up) I had the chance to race a 2001 navy blue Mustang GT. He drafted me for a while and decided to pass me. I hit it, he hit it and he passed me

However, once we reached speeds in excess of 80mph I started to pull away from him fairly easy.

I can't wait to find him now
Actually, I look for him
every night hahahha

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91 Formula
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN92 polished kit, SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March alt. pulley, Crane AFPR(43psi),Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5400rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,stock chip,Ford SVO 24# injectors,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,180* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

by the way, I wouldn't underestimate the new GTs, they are pretty quick. Sure, they are no LS1, but they're faster than any regular production 3rd gen.

They're not my prey anymore, the C5 is. Oh yes...I am coming..I am coming....I am coming...justice will be done

if you go to the DSI Racing page on my sig you can see video of my LO3 beating a brand new 2001 GT. they do not run 14.0 as some have said and it ain't hard to get a tbi motor to go faster than them for far less than they spent on their cars, with no power adder and the stock cam still in place.

lata
tim

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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.215@94.30 w/ 1.917 60'

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Your right not all 99+GT's will run atleats a 14.0.The automatics run 14.3-14.5.I would hate to see some of you guys underestimating these cars,and one blows your doors off. Go to
http://www.corral.net/timeslip/ The 5spds are high 13 sec cars with dragraidials.Know your enemy!

[This message has been edited by black5.7GTA (edited March 19, 2001).]

my friend has a 99TA 6 speed lightly modded with headers and usual bolt ons and 3.73 gears. he runs mid 12s. he raced a 99 or 00 stang on the street and said he was suprised at how well it kept up. he beat it but it suprised him. the new mustangs are definetly much better than the old ones and they respond to mods very well like the 5.0 did. so yes know your enemy. TINFY

I just thought you guys might wanna know. Two weeks ago a white Mustang GT it looked like a 96-98( icould never tell the difference) picked on me. I was waiting for a light when he pulled next to me. i knew he would kill me with my bonestock LO3. he would not let go of my side then at cruising speed then he punched it and so did i.i was so freaking surprised that i kept up with him, not even half a car. Then in the stop he left me behind more than a cars lenght, less than i thought he would. My point is that it is possible to beat this cars with our 3rd gens.
By the way i had three people in my car he was alone in a convertible with some kind of after market exhaust(it sounded loud).

Mustangs are not bad, I have two of them along with my TTA and Tahoe. the 93 GT conv, with just exhaust, went 13.97. The red 91 ran 10.97 2 weeks ago (don't tell anyone on V-Street) and the TTA will run mid 11's and should be back on the road soon.

The enemy is not the domestics, it's the imports buzzing around.

Pete

Ummm, The stangs are not the reason that the F-bod's are being axed. That is the General's (GM) fault. Sorry, I just couldn't let that slide.

Chris

YEAH I HATE MUSTANGS TOO, BUT I GOTTA RESPECT THEM. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE AS GOOD OF CARS AS CAMAROS, BUT THEY ARE OK. I AGREE WITH THEFORMULA. I HATE CORVETTES AND THE RICH FARTS THAT DRIVE THEM. I HAVE RACED AND BEAT MANY LATE 70'S AND EARLY TO MID 80'S VETTES AND STOMPED EVERY ONE OF THEM. YOU GUYS SHOULDA SEEN THE LOOK ON A GUY WHO HAD A 78 ANNIVERSARY EDITION WHEN I RIPPED HIM A NEW *** !! THE NEW ONES ARE FAST, BUT I STILL HATE THEM. THEY ARE UGLY!!

-THEFORMULA- I think your wrong about a 99 GT beating any stock thirdgen. Like i said in my post before my friend has a 99 GT with a 5 speed. When we were both stock i beat him by about a car or so( I whopped him on the bottom end but than started to catch up on top but it wasnt enough ). I had 98500 or so in my car with absutly nothing moded to my car at all and neither did he with his 1680 or so miles. I think any properly tuned Third gen with the L98 can beat a 99 GT. Dont get me wrong I dont think all L98's will win but its a good race no mattter what.

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1992 Z28 W/5.7L. Teal with unpainted cowl hood,18" Billet Specialities Rims,Eibach Sportline Springs, Leather int., B&M Mega Shifter, Headman Headers, Flows,No Cats,K&N,HyperTech air foil,Custome Burned Chip,MSD Ignition,Shift Kit, Billet Corvett Servo my Back License plate reads "ALL UL C"

Here's a pic of my car
http://www.geocities.com/jonnyarson/maro.jpg

" WHAT DOES THE BACK OF A MUSTANG LOOK LIKE "

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