True Power

lololololololololololol

therckid

hey dont make fun of me, those times are really pitiful for that amount of obvious power. you should be getting a lot better. Maybe traction would help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

True Power

Yes it would, but 18" rims arent the solution to that, that's all

SATURN5

Thank you Capt'n Obvious. Times were run with street tires and a broken posi.. Posi is now fixed, and I'm looking into 325/50/15's Drag Radials on 10 inch draglites.. BW

therckid

wth, you obviously go by the book. Check your physics. An 18 inch rim would spread the tork to a much larger area, making it get the f*cking traction needed to get better times. Just like if he had 14in rims he'd spin for the first 10sec. But a 18in rim would spin for a lot less time and go. It would also make it go faster but i'm talking 1/4mile.

True Power

And why dont you get a ****ing grip on reality. A smaller rim means bigger sidewall can be used. Now, for those of us who know what the hell that means, that means a bigger footprint, which means more surface area, which means more friction, which means more traction.

Why dont you go out to the racetrack and tell me how many 11 and 10sec cars are running on 18" rims?



edit - this doesnt even cover the difference in weight of small vs large rims

therckid

ok you obviously dont get the reality of a 10 second car, most of them are not f*cking street pheasible, and they certainly arn't daily drivers, if you wanna have a street drivable car with good looks theirs nothing wrong with a rim 18 x 9 or 10. not a thing. f*ck you if you think there is. the sidewall just mean you can have a 3 inch wide rim with a 9 inch wide tire. you can have wide rims with wide tires too.

True Power

Now you're switching topics. I do believe we were comparing 1/4mile results as they relate to rim size, nothing more. I'm simply saying you will NOT find people going to a 18" rim for better drag results. Since when did looks and streetability come into the discussion?

therckid

haha thats a sorry loosers excuse for saying he got beat

True Power

Sure buddy. Sure.

For the sake of freeing up this thread, feel free to PM me with any other stupid ****ing points you are trying to make.

Cruzin Kaz

Dude with your attitude your not going to last here very long! Calm down and keep the proverbiall BS words to yourself.

I take it you have not read all there is to read about Saturns car... It isn't a street car for one, # 2...18" wheels would only allow you minimal sidewall height which does not help for traction at all. It is very obvious you haven't been around the racing world for very long. So... I suggest unless you are going to debate with people here with a bit of respect for yourself and others, your better off keeping your foot in your mouth, instead of taking it out every once and awhile to spit out some rubbish. Please jsut calm down, and treat people with a bit of respect. You've only been here for a month, and your making a very bad start of it.

therckid

ok don't challenge my inteligence(i take offence to that alot), i am 16 and i have a 158 IQ. i probrably know more about the science of racing then you ever will. But i said probrably.

Cruzin Kaz

Please lets not turn this into a flame war! I am not questioning your intelligence here. And not spelling that right doesn't help you either. IQ has nothing to do with drag racing my 16 year old friend. I have built a few 10 sec. drag cars in my day, and I'll tell you this.... None of them had close to 18" rims! Most are 15" and the odd super car use 16". And that probably word is right. Differecne hear is I treat people with respect, and not a bunch of over used words that don't make you look big and strong, but young and foolish! So again please just calm down and speak with respectfull words, instead of what you've shown people here in this thread so far.

therckid

well ok, speaking as a kid from the mid 80's, i'll probrably be the first dragger that doesn't use old school techniques. just wait, you'll hear about me

Cruzin Kaz

Here is a little taste of one of the machines I built. 10.30's at 130mph. All out of a power glide. With a 4000 stall, now it bears a 5500 aluminum 2 piece stall, haven't had her out yet to see the results as it is being painted Black.



Here is a shot with the rims and tires. All 15'

therckid

ok got nothing to complain about it at all. great looking car. it appears that you have a little time and money on your hands. Why don't ya try non-oldschool techniques? i mean maybe try out my idea. if it don't work sell them to some stupid d00d with a suburban. all i'm saying is try it. a large rim, with a tire for traction.

SATURN5

18's.. will not work for drag use.

Simply for the lack of sidewall as mentioned before.

Look into what 95% drag racers have out back should be explaination enough.

Increasing diameter of a rim will not help traction, now adding width and matching tires will.

I suggest you learn your drag science from something other than usually wrong magazines and spend some time track side and in the pits.

I know my Malibu runs faster than what I have posted, but I really don't care for the I'm faster than you arguements, BTDT not wasting any more time with that.

Anything more than 2/3's throttle = wheelspin in all gears.

Stage 2 is going to be even more... should be good to low 11's, possibly a high ten with slicks/dragdot's. But thats next year...

Cruzin Kaz

If I had room to fit 18" rims with a 15 sidewall under a cars wheel well, then I would try it, but... since not many cars will accept that size tire, I will stick to what works. Nothing old school about those rims and tires, infact they are both made in 2001, the rims and the tires. So it is quite new stuff.

therckid

d00d you miss understood me, i said old school techniques. I didn't say old school equipment. alright then d00ds the first time i get a drag together i'll show you that diameter and width will play a good factor in my speed. i'll post about it.

therckid

i'm sure a tire manufacturer will atleast custom make some 18in rim slicks. its not that hard really.

Cruzin Kaz

Well good luck to you, cause a 18" tire that is going to help with traction, better be really soft compound, or it will spin worse tehn your average 15"/16" tire, adn I hope you have a healthy wallet too, cause a super soft compound 18' tire is going to be really costly!:lala:

Cruzin Kaz

See now your questioning yourself. It is hard to come by 16" Slicks for most cars now days, never mind a 18" slick. most 16" Slicks are like 33" tall, and only for serious drag cars.

therckid

nah d00d i didn't say them really thick ones i meant regular tires that are slicks, not any larger.

Cruzin Kaz

Here is a link for you, as you can see. There are very minimal tires here for 16" and they are huge, there arent' even any 17" never mind 18's.

http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/strip.html

therckid

d00d i ask my grand pa for anything and he'll get it for me.... he's filthy rich. he's got a rusted down 1964 1/2 mustang in his yard and he says if i can ever get it its mine to do what ever. He's also got some old rusted corvettes too but one has the side frame bent a bit. its correctible though. he said if i want one of them id have to be the one with the frame not bent cause the other has a decent condition engine(meaning its a little easier to bring backto life). he wants to bring it back now that he's retired. he may live in hill billy town and in west virginia but he's got money from being a coal minor all his life. i ask for somethigns he'll get them.

zupmanZ28

Oman...theres way too many things wrong with that entire post to even bother. Just give up man.

Eric

Gladstoneiroc

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Either people from West Virginia are respectable or you need some manners. I am 16 and have a pretty high IQ, but I still know when to respect people. Being rich doesn't mean you can make a 10 or even 13 second car, but being wise and choosing the right parts can. I hope you can change the drag racing world someday, it would be a great accomplishment, but until your the big "dOOd", use some manners. Though the coolest rapper might have 18" rims on his tight ride, how much work did he put in his car and what does he run in the quarter?

87LTcamaro

when i first started reading this post i was droolin over saturn5s cars........great job man!

but now im gettin discouraged. you guys need to chill out. im 18 and i know im still learning stuff everday.....if you think someone is wrong then do it yourself or ask around....dont just assume youre right. i dont care what your IQ is.
kidrcth........you should just apoligize for being rude and let it go. the majority of the guys on here are very wise and have been doing this stuff for years.
come on guys we are all here for one reason we love our thirdgens.....not to fight w/ eachother!

Dan W

SATURN5,

Just wanted to congratulate you on an awsome looking project. I think your engine bay wins the contest for cool points on this board edging out quite a few of the other very nice cars. That thing must be a low end torque uber-monster with TPI+Positive displacement. Have you had a chance to do some dyno tuning yet?

MrDude_1

you also have a lack of knowlage
a lack of respect

and you cant spell.


in one reply you want to talk about 18" rims for street performance

and in the next, you are talking about using slicks that they dont even make.


you say you have a dented corvette in the yard, but corvettes are made of plastic and fiberglass you dip****.




go hang out with some ricers or some other idiots who dont know when you're wrong.




you are the kind of dip**** i let talk.... and then i own you and belittle you in front of your friends. if you lived near me, i wouldnt even reply to this, id just go meet up with you and your friends and do it in person.


so either STFU and learn some of that "racing science" or fu(k off and die.



ps: when did twin surp. belt driven blowers into a multiport FI system become old school? lol

Grumpy

Having seen it as a WIP.
Heard it, been in it, and seen it in action, I think Saturn's car is just flat arsed neat.

I happen to like seeing a car where talent, and patience have won over throwing money at a project.

Quad4 ecm, driving GN injectors, on a 305 with S/C off some misc ole vehicle. Toss in some good brakes, a 9" rear end, and smooth body work, and that folks is a nice ride.

As for the 18 tire comment, it's meaningless, and not even relevent. As for age claims, and IQ, again, meaningless.

If it ran 18's, that would not lessen the talent that went into it.

Life ain't only about the 1/4 mile for some folks.

Having a driver that collects a crowd everywhere it shows up is fun. So far at the 3-4 local cruise-ins, I've seen it at, they're always folks standing around finger pointing and going, gee that's cool.

And while 10 sec rides are fun, there is something to be said for car that can just light'em at will, when going to the 711. No mixing fuel, no fartin around with finicky ill mannered sorta run calibrations, it's just hit the key and go type of car.

And while book learning can be informative, nothing beats actual underhood time for learning what works. And with the magazines hiring literary majors, all they really worry about is spelling and grammar. And they can report some of the silliest stuff as fact.

MrDude_1

lol, i havent seen it IRL, but it looks neat from here too

im only starting into FI and serious fabrication, but lets just say that his setup has inspired me...

Guido

He sure has built a winner! Ill admit to that!

Everyone trying to argue with the 16 year old rich kid with a high IQ, dont argue. How does that saying go about dragging people down to an idiots level and killing them with experience? i think that applies here.

12 Sec GTA

Saturn,


Your project is turning out bad ***!


I'm waiting for sound clip!


Can you email me some close up pics of the blower mounting, front & rear?

Thanks

ben@fuelslut.com

therckid

ok d00ds, if you got the wrong impression of me and what i was saying i'm sorry. i'm also not from west virginia, just my family is, i am in florida. i am also not some rich kid, my grand father isthe only one with money. i mean i may not have actual drag experience but i have my common sence. but hey we're all freinds here.


quoting the ideot who said corvettes are made from plastic and fiberglass, not all of them were like that, he has early models.

SATURN5

thanks!

my new laptop has a sound card.. I'll do a clip today and take some close ups of the mounting plates.

SATURN5

Remember tonights criuse in is at Fricker's on Woodman..

SATURN5

Yeah.. torque shes got... ask Grumpy...

He and I went to a local cruise last week, me in front, he in his GN.

Turned on to 5 lane road and stepped into it in second gear..

instant whine, and tire squeal/smoke..

made some poor lady in a Honda in the next lane do her best Exorsist head spin.. Grumpy said she looked like WTFWT???

I need to find my mic....

SATURN5

I'd be more worried about the FCAT.

and all vettes are fiberglass bodied. early ones too.

therckid

wtf i'm a junior in high school now, no more FCAT ever.

Guido

Hey kidrcth why dont you tone it down a bit. No one cares either way about your grandpa, your racing background and anything else even remotley worth arguing about. You arent helping yourself, only degrading this thread.

If you persist, I'll have an admin restrict your posting privelage on this site.

Thanks

SATURN5

Ah found my mic...

2 clips available, one is at idle, the other revved.

Mic was sitting on the hood. Yes it is loud.. can be heard at least a block away under throttle...

http://saturn5.homestead.com/files/idle.wav

http://saturn5.homestead.com/files/rev.wav

Enjoy....

rooster433

Loud, but is it as loud as my first blower SATURN? Hehe ..

that sucker boy, i think i lost a little hearing on that one. It had to be the loudest thing i've ever heard

D M N

Hey do you have a cut off on that??

BTW - So did that kidrcth get kicked off im 16 and i dont want anyone to get the impression that all 16yr old people are complosive liars and dont know that ALL corvettes had fiberglass bodies owell just wanted to say that

Grumpy

No need to.
Folks are generally just taken for who they show themselves to be. OPD, Onlne Personaluty Disorder, has no min or max age limits.

Grumpy

Soccer Mom, looses phone, film at 11.

An easy America's Funniest Video Candidate.

83 Crossfire TA

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Every village needs an idiot...

83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

Saturn, that sounds really familiar… just about the same noise my brother’s car makes with one of those, but imagine how moving the air intake/filter assembly to the space behind the glovebox. When it just had a sealed air box there for the filter connected to the heater inlet (cowl) we borrowed a dB meter and got 118dB at moderate acceleration. Since then it’s gotten a double layered, covered with acoustical carpeting box around that thing to quiet it down enough that you can talk over it at cruise

Last week we drove it to the track with no box or filter, just sucking passenger compartment air in through a big gaping hole in the firewall… spent the whole night going, “WHAT?” The next day I felt just like I was at a loud concert the night before…

D M N

i'm with you man

therckid

i'm not, but ya know, say whatever ya want. Some things i'm smart some things i'm not, or atleast not yet.

one more thing, kids never smell RTV silicone sealant while fixing your t-top leaks. really good idea right there. i was flying till 6PM yesterday.