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Old Feb 8, 2003 | 09:47 PM
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New Engine Pics , In & running

355 4 bolt, Forged crank, Eagle 6in rods forged, O-Ringed Block,
Custom Forged JE 9.5 to 1 Pistons, Copper Head Gaskets,
Custom CompCams Blower grind Cam .530 .535 lift 230 235 dur
@ .050 114 LS, Race Preped, Blue printed and Balanced by
KIM BARR Racing, AL L98 Heads Ported by GTP 2.00 int. 1.60 exh Heads,
CompCam Full Rollerized ProMagnum Roller Rockers,
TPIS BigMouth lower Intake, AS&M Large tube runners,
Ported upper Intake, 52mm TB, 30lb Injectors @ 55psi, 7psi PAXTON BLOWER with water Alk injection, SLP 1 3/4 headers.

First Dyno runs at Bob Norwoods:
510hp 535 tq Power Was dropping off at 4600rpm, found out
latter that my Cat was half way plugged ,now the thing pulls like
made to 5700rpm also found I was injecting to much water I
stepped down one size and OMG this thing is NASTY.

I'll race it at ennis on the 15th (SLP customer appreciation day)

Hope to get it to Bob Norwoods again for some better Dyno #'s and tuning.

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Old Feb 9, 2003 | 06:54 AM
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verry nice. I saved some of these pic's off your site a week or so ago. Can you e-mail me more pic's of your Bracket.

I just picked up a used Novi but its missing the tensioner and I dono what else. any pic's you could send of what goes behind the main bracket would be great.

I have the main bracket. 2 other rod looking brackets the pully on the bracket but no tensioner.

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Old Feb 9, 2003 | 03:36 PM
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very shiney!!
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Old Mar 5, 2003 | 08:09 AM
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lol...that motor just looks scary.....BTW what does O-ringed block mean?
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Old Mar 5, 2003 | 09:25 AM
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lol...that motor just looks scary.....BTW what does O-ringed block mean?

The Block is Machined with a grove cut around each cylinder to accept a stainless Steal O-Ring and the a copper head gasket is used.
This process insures NO BLOWN HEAD GASKETS for boosted engines.
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Old Mar 5, 2003 | 11:14 AM
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benny, this is what an o-ringed block looks like:

http://para.noid.org/~lj/1000hp/images/o-rings.jpg

Lbs, saw your car at the slp event, looks REALLY clean. It was good to see several nice thirdgens at the event.

Also, no blown head gaskets (due to o-ringing) means your pistons are the weakest link--keep an eye on that tuning.
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Old Mar 5, 2003 | 05:42 PM
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Boy those pictures look familiar I checked your website out, looks good. What blower is going in that beast? Is it the older sn series or a Novi 2000?
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Old Mar 6, 2003 | 04:15 PM
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thanks...thats pretty cool...id be afraid of roasting my pistons if i went that extreme though
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Old Mar 7, 2003 | 10:28 AM
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I have all Forged Internals including Pistons and I tuned it with a Wide Band O2 and I watch my tune closely.
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Old Mar 10, 2003 | 11:50 PM
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What kind of fuel economy does it get and do you daily drive it / could you daily drive it?

how is the low end?
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Old Mar 11, 2003 | 11:33 AM
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Yes, Its A daily driver but on nice weather days only.
I'm still doing some tune on my fuel tables and haven't evoked
High mode fueling or timing yet, so the MPG are a little low right now 18 mpg.
low end is great , do to 9.5 CR and the 114 LS of the cam.
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Old Mar 12, 2003 | 06:24 PM
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LBSZ28 that engine is bad a$$!!!!
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Old Mar 12, 2003 | 10:26 PM
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and say, your running 30 Lb injectors too. I always figured to jump the 500HP gap you would need at least 36 PPH injectors. What PSI are you running? close to 60 ill bet, because if you even beleive in that silly formula HPXBSFC/DC/#inj then youve got some pressure going there
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Old Mar 13, 2003 | 04:08 AM
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Re: New Engine Pics , In & running

Originally posted by LBSZ28BLOWN
[B]also found I was injecting to much water I
stepped down one size and OMG this thing is NASTY.
Do you have an actual # on what "so much water" is? what setup are you using? (been wanting to do some experimenting with water injection for a while but haven't found or built the appropriate setup to do it on yet)

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Old Mar 13, 2003 | 04:17 AM
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BTW, with water injection BSFC drops, amazingly at almost exactly the rate that you're injecting water. What that implies is that if you are adding say 50lb/hr fuel just to combat detonationon a 500hp engine and seeing a BSFC of .5, taking out that 50lb/hr of fuel and adding that much water will give you more detonation resistance and a BSFC of .4 (assuming that that engine combination could get a .4 BSFC).

BTW, at a BSFC of .4 30lb/hr injectors would be just big enough to make that HP assuming a 20% drivetrain loss (in other words, it's actually making 20% more power) and it is possible to run a boosted engine that lean (well, low BSFC doesn't necessarly mean that you're running leaner, but it might).
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Old Mar 13, 2003 | 01:27 PM
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and say, your running 30 Lb injectors too. I always figured to jump the 500HP gap you would need at least 36 PPH injectors. What PSI are you running? close to 60 ill bet, because if you even beleive in that silly formula HPXBSFC/DC/#inj then youve got some pressure going there

Your wright, I have the fuel pressure set at 55psi and it goes up
to 65psi at boost.
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Old Mar 13, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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The water Injection is actually a 60-70% water and 30-40%
Methanol. The methanol is also a fuel.
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Old Mar 26, 2003 | 09:03 PM
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Are you planning on intercooling it eventually to ditch the water injection? Some people think thats more practical....

Just how much $$ and time is involved on adding an intercooler to somthing like that?
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Old Mar 26, 2003 | 09:09 PM
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And i also noticed, <b> 7psi PAXTON BLOWER with water Alk injection</b>

Your running 7 PSI, and IM running 8 PSI with a non-intercooled Roots blower setup and some 9.7:1 compression, AFR 195CC heads, 383 motor... I have yet to encounter detonation, do you really beleive that water injection is necessary? I find that going from 30* of total timing to 36* gives me very very little extra power under boost, and it begins to move the borderline of detonation really close. I run 37* under load with no boost, 47* highway low load high vacuum, 30* full boost with an active retard based on boost level that the commander 950 controls.

and its funny but most of the holley "techs" think that my motor is a bit too big for the blower, and that my 85 PPH injectors are too small to support #'s im pushing. My Fuel pressure is regulated by an Aeromotive voltage adjuster, to compensate for say, highway driving, and of course the regulator on the TB lowers PSI based on vacuum, but at max boost/output I barelly reach a 75-80% Duty Cycle at a marginnaly low 22 PSI... which holley says should only be good for about 460 horses with a BSFC around .55/.6, so Im thinking this motors running with a better BSFC and still running slightly rich... but i try to run open loop as much as possible because I've got the fuel map to where its almost always lean unless im stepping on it. maybe theres somthing to be said for Efficiency?
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 09:10 AM
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I think the water/alky injection helps at any boost level.
Check this thread out.
(https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...ater+injection)
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