LT1guy

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Has anyone here converted their thirdgen to run on alcohol (any type, or mix such as E85)? E85 isn't available here in GA, but I was wondering if the price difference had widened since the gas prices have increased so much lately. I'd be interested in seeing any alcohol-fueled thirdgens, whether carbed or injected, NA or otherwise. Considering the intercooling effect of alcohol,the higher octane and the uncertainty about gas prices (esp here in the south), I'm starting to think about a conversion, at least for my "toys" if not my faily driver.

LT1guy

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Since there have been no replies but several views of this thread, I'll post a little of what I found elsewhere. E85 sounds like the solution to a lot of problems.

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...&postid=492931


http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=46476

Unfortunately, there are no E85 stations within 100 miles of me except at Ft Gillem, and its military use only! Guess its time to build a still!!!

Z28ricer

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From what i've seen, for the most part as most good things are, it would be illegal in the eyes of the govt, as the car wasnt designed for it, how much they will decide to lean on that I guess will be determined in the future, there are also some donor vehicles that would make a drivetrain swap possible, and therefore possibly "legal" . One that wouldnt be legal, but would probably be worthwhile is the 5.3 vortec (LSx based) engine used in the 02+ tahoe / yukon. They have different injectors for use with the alcohol, fuel lines accordingly, and a fuel tank to withstand the fuel, my suggestion would be the engine and trans from one (along with pcm of course). Find out if the plastic fuel tank from the 99+ f body (which will bolt into our cars) is alcohol compatible (i would imagine so), one of the pumps from said E85 compatible vehicle, and bend some new fuel lines from stainless.

Only thing I am uncertain of is the fuel evap and fumes etc, I read some about a few schools projects using E85, and saw mention of a special flame arrestor or something for the filler or evap system.

Just some things to consider.

LT1guy

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Twin turbo 455s in 87 Trans Ams are completely illegal anyway, so what's an illegal fuel too? Mine is registered in a non-emissions county that hopefully won't ever be an emissions county, so its no big deal there. From everything I have seen so far, compatibility isn't too much of an issue with most aftermarket parts, so on a car being built from the ground up it shouldn't be a big deal.

JoBy

It is a big differance between Ethanol and Methanol.

Methanol is very corrosive and you need to change a lot ...

Ethanol (E85) is not that much worse than gasoline and stock gasoline parts can survive for years. A friend of mine has used E85 in his supercharged 1986 Camaro for about 5000 miles now. He did not change any parts when converting to E85, only chip modifications.

Synapsis

Yes. $1.90/gallon baby. (Once I fix the fuel pump that died last week. )

LT1guy

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Details, please!

westman

E85 Rules!!! We have treehugger Tuesday here and its only $1.85 gallon. I've been running it in my Camaro for about 4 months now. All I did was re-jet the Demon I get bout 2mpg less on E85. Thats my only complaint. I've noticed a lot of people get meth/ eth mixed up. Many have the assumption that E85 is corrosive like meth, which is not the case. Instead of my fuel lines lasting 15 years with gas. Now they will only last me 12, darn. Oh, and you always smell like a brewery.

Synapsis

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=318579

Steven89Iroc

I found that E85 thread on turbomustangs a little while ago, and have been stuck on the idea since. Unfortunately, the only place in Commyfornia to get E85 for now is not here.

When I get back to Oklahoma late next year you can bet I'll be trying out E85 in the turbo Talon and the twin turbo Camaro as there are 2 stations within 20 miles of where I live, and I can tune the ECU's on both of them.

For everyone who is successfully using it right now, keep us updated in the future on how the cars are working long term.


BTW...
It's S2000, and they're rear-wheel drive 2 seater roadster's, hardly what I'd call a WWD econobox. You're thinking of crapbox Civic's and the like. And uh, I'd like to see your average 900hp torque monster go up against an S2000 around corners, heh. Not everyone is in it for what dyno numbers can give you.
BTW, I don't even like S2000's.

westman

Wow I think you are lucky number 100 to tell me that! Congrats! Call CHP cause thats where I got the quote from. Someday I'll get around to changing it. I cut a large portion of the quote out to make it short and sweet. Man, always some thirdgenner on some ricers nuts.

Steven89Iroc

I hope that someday you become a little more mature and a little less ignorant. The world needs better people, and I believe you have the potential to be one of them. Now don't get this locked please, this thread is useful.

So... How well would E85 work with water injection? I would think that you wouldn't need as much water since you have to run a richer mixture anyway, but it should still give you some cooling benefits with lots of boost. If so, the two together could make an insane forced induction street car, all the time.

rx7speed

if a s2000 is wrong wheel drive I guess a f-body would be too huh

and the s2000 is about as econobox and a l98 vette just with some better handling I'm sure


sorry just figured you had to hear it from me to




I'm kinda interested in this E85 or pure eth switch but my only concern is one of my cars is only 8:1 compression and the car is designed to run near 17:1 most the time so I would have no idea what I would need to switch or how to even go about doing it.
and when the webber goes on makes me wonder even more since I have never messed with weber stuff

westman

Alright thats it. I'm doing a wrong wheel peel on your lawn tonight.

rx7speed

dude I wish you luck cause if your not carefull you might hit one of the two BIG **** trees that sit on my VERY small lawn