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No no no I'm sorry it wasn't to put you down or anything I think it would be awesome to run like a raped ape with a 305, although TwinTurboIROC you can go **** yourself. I apologize my point being was that I have followed this thread for what seems like eons, reading each new addition with the heart pounding excitement of a **** novel, and then WHOOSH! The surprise ending was stolen from me by seeing that LB9 out at my track. It was cool to see, but kinda ruined the suspense. I apologize. I will video next time I see him out there but I have been out probably 5 times in the past 2 months and have only seen him one time. I talked to him and mentioned the forums but he just said he would have to check that out. Apologies to you Street, TwinTurbo go suck a dick.

TwinTurboROC

Following the thread for eons, yet your join date is may 2013. Someone seems butthurt because he got called out.

Street Lethal

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It's all good my dudes...

Looking at the engine, while saying to myself, what the hell am I forgetting. Then I say to myself, hmm, I think a starter may help the situation a tad, don't ya think lol? Gonna go pick up an LT1 mini starter from my buddy in a little while and slap that on...

TwinTurboROC

Tehehehe

Guest

Man you just don't ever think of the multitude of possibilities, do you? Number 1, you don't have to be a member to read the threads. Number 2, I have 2 old user names jayhawk and deadly deuce. Join date for jayhawk was June of 2010. Butthurt gets thrown around far to ignorantly.

Alright, I'm out, back to the build.

kmcn47

this below is all the reason you need to not keep arguing

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Okay, got the starter this morning (thanks Paul) and just hand a chance to install it. The wiring harness leading to it only houses the starter wiring and knock sensor wire, and it was all zippy tied to the engine mount to keep it away from the exhaust, just need to wire it up. Disregard the dirty and dusty engine bay, I still need to spot weld my downpipe when I fabricate one, so it defeats the purpose to start painting the bay now. Once the downpipe is finished, the engine bay will be like looking into a mirror...

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Couldn't help myself lol, I just ordered a carbon fiber pyrometer from Summit Racing, now I have to weld in the bung under the turbo flange somewhere when it gets here. Bob, I would imagine the EBL can more than likely be programmed to pull timing when a certain exhaust gas temperature is realized? That would definitely be something for me to look into with the EBL-P4, just as a safety measure...

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Okay, I'm hoping to have the engine up and running naturally aspirated by this weekend, there are just a lot of little things that need to get taken care of when you start making changes to everything, and I will go over a few of them shortly. Felt ridiculous slapping the stock exhaust manifolds back on, but hey, they are just on to fire the engine up and break in the cam, as well as to see how she performs without the turbo. The Y-Pipe is a 3" SLP that bolts to the stock exhaust manifolds, and I didn't want to cut it up, and that is why I am running the exhaust manifolds pre-turbo. This may be a little anemic engine, but she's going to pack quite the punch even without the turbo, lemme tell ya...

thewhitestripes

Whats up street? Just skimmed through this thread on my lunch break and man this things gunna be sweet! cant wait to see it at etown one day. If i had the cash id go with a turbo 305 over an all
motor 350 any day. Just being able to tell people its a 305 makes it all worth it lol. Got my 350 running the other night so hopefully well both make it out to the strip at some point this summer. Good luck with the rest of the build, its gunna be so sick when its done.

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Thanks bro, its been very fun up until this point, just wanna get it to the track now to see what she can do. We definitely gotta hit up e-town one night, I usually run with the Grand National guys when I go, but its been awhile though cuz this car has been under the knife. My buddy just hooked me up with a Grant steering wheel, just gotta clean it up some cuz its dirty, but it will definitely fit the color scheme I am after for the entire car, black/red. Just gotta pull the original steering wheel w/air bag and put it with the rest of the stock parts...

GenX'Motorsport

Street. That steering wheel will def get you into the 9's...






J/K

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Hey hey, I lost about two pounds with that steering wheel...

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Okay, the 305 is back to life as of an hour ago. I apologize about the audio as the vacuum leak from the throttle body overpowers the exhaust note, but wow, this cam sounds incredible in person. I will get some better video next time out with much better audio, as this video was taken with my phone. Since this video, the PCV was hooked up with a check valve, the vacuum lines on the throttle body that aren't being used were sealed up, and I set the timing which was only off a few degrees. Gotta start tuning things with the EBL, as that is next on the list, then the dyno, then the track, then the turbo. I was curious, and after this video I hooked up the O2 sensor and cranked up the fuel pressure regulator all the way, and I was still greeted with a Code 44, engine running lean lol. Stay tuned...

Capt. P

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IT'S ALIVE !!!!!

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I know right, finally lol. Disregard those crappy yellow plug wires, they were just for the first start up and to check for leaks, I am saving the red MSD wires for when I put the turbo back on, as they will run along the cylinder head and tuck behind the engine, you won't even see them when I put them on. Oh, and I am running NGK-TR6 plugs, no more AC-Delco's for me...

TwinTurboROC

MY GOD YES!!!!

fasteddi

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Nice to see it running. Congrats!

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Initial timing set to 14 degrees BTDC....

The engine sounds unreal w/the Flowmasters, the audio above is horrid, sorry about that guys...

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Needs lots of tuning, as the ECM is obviously hunting because I set initial to 14 degrees, and the spark reference is set to 6 degrees in the prom. Set air/fuel as close to where it needs to be at idle, and I just wanted to throw up an exhaust note for the time being, however I am still relegated to the same video camera on my phone so the audio is still pretty bad, but you can at least hear it though, somewhat. Had to keep RPM's below 2000-RPM when I blipped the throttle because this video was taken in the morning, and too many people were around for Fathers Day. Just wait until I start tuning this freaking thing, she will run an easy 12 without the turbo...

GenX'Motorsport

Why the spark plug switch? Pros, cons?

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Chalk it up to laziness on my part, too many frequent changes in terms of which AC-Delco's to run at a particular boost range, and I don't want to keep swapping them back and forth for when I run on the street, then the track, over and over again. The NGK's will stay put regardless where I set the electronic boost controller, which will be 15-psi for the street, then upwards of 20 plus psi to run at the track...

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EBL is definitely the next thing going on this project, but I wanted to touch on a few things in other two areas. The throttle body, I am going to run the stock throttle body to achieve my goals, just going to make a few minor changes to it, and I will detail that as it happens. The exhaust, I am still up in the air about that. The downpipe will no doubt be 4 inches in diameter, but I am not sure what it will be connecting to just yet. I was considering running the 4 inch downpipe to the stock catback which consists of a 3 inch Catco converter, 3 inch intermediate pipe, leading to a Flowmaster Muffler with 2 1/2 inch dual outlets, while installing a 4 inch electric cutout just before the 3 inch converter for when I am racing... or, run the 4 inch downpipe to a completely new exhaust system, namely a 4 inch Mufflex system which will eliminate the need for the electric cutout altogether. First things first though, the EBL needs to get here, and the engine needs to be tuned, then its off to the dyno. Anyone wanna take a guesstimate at the naturally aspirated numbers she's gonna throw down...

Orr89RocZ

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I want to try this myself, i found a 92 305 for cheap with harness. Be so easy to swap in now just need to change turbos to make it work. Lol. Since i am still waiting to finish my other race motor

No idea on numbers as it will depend on trans and exhaust but very curious on its power. High 200's perhaps?

Tony89GTA

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Well you have a ported stock heads, decent cam and siamese-ported intake on a 305 hmmm... 280-290? What do you think your going to get?

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I'd like to see that Justin, I honestly wanna see more and more 305's getting built up on this website instead of people always jumping ship. It's funny how most of the members on this website frown on the 305's, yet the Grand National guys that I know find excuses for the 305 because it's considered a big block compared to their 231 lol...

Tony, I'm hoping for at least 300-RWHP from this setup, or close to it. I'm going to need that to reach my 12 second goal without the turbo, and I think this setup just might be able to pull it off (at 6000-RPM). As soon as its tuned its off to the dyno for some numbers, and I will video the whole thing as I don't believe in tossing numbers around without the proof...

kmcn47

makes me want to build my 305, to hell with my 5.3 haha

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Cold start clip, didn't touch a thing. Idle RPM is obviously off because it needs tuning, but I got it up were it needs to be at the .50 second mark in the video though...

junkcltr

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Can't wait for the dyno video. Still got the 224/224/114 cam in it?

Orr89RocZ

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Well if i do get it, i will stick with my 401 this year until it runs what it runs and then consider the 305 project next year. Unless i skip my 401 this year since its still not together. Lol or i find a suitable roller and maybe get rid of my ls1 car but that be a step backwards haha

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Oh hellz no Junk, low 230's duration and a tad over .500" lift @ .50...

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Step backwards ehh? Hmm...

NemeSS-TyranT

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that is just dumb imo. if u alredy have the 5.3. not proving anything but going slower with a less capable.motor. the ls is superior in every way. heads,rotating assembly, you name it.
ihave hand in a upgraded springs and pushrods stock 4.8 longblock that has made 680rwhp and ran 10s in a truck. that weighs prolly 4k lbs. a 3rd gen would b in the 9s

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I honestly don't mind someone being passionate about the LSX engine, but don't turn my thread into a SBC vs LSX debate. I am sure kmcn47 was just being cute with that comment, so there is no need to start going back and forth like some of the threads found in the street racing section, and no need to try and prove the LSXs' worth because it doesn't need you or anybody else to do that for it. Just leave it alone, k, please...

kmcn47

pretty much, its a long slow process for me but that 327 is going in the car

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I like the LS1 car more. Better looks, feel, interior, sound, steering IMO. In fact if I could put my sbc stuff in my 4th gen trans am, i'd totally rock it and love every minute of it. I may do it just to **** the lsx crowd off.
Power wise I know you can make alot with each motor platform. LS1's compression may limit it to 500-550 whp fairly safely and thats all I'd ever want out of it. Only take 12-13 psi for the ls1 vs alot for a stockish 305. Either way they both would go 10's and thats great for a summer DD.

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An even better way to **** of the LSX crowd, Click Here...

I think the 305 for this project is going to surprise many people at 15-psi. I'm really leaning away from the idea of running this thing naturally aspirated because its just taking up too much time to prep for. Been fooling around with the intercooler a few days ago, and it fits so snug that I just wanna get it all done at this point...

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I can't waste time anymore with naturally aspirated aspirations lol, so I will move on with the turbo charger install. I apologize to the handful that wanted to see what it would make without the turbo, but I need to get this thing done, I mean Summer just started and she is still sitting in the garage with no turbo charger installed. Can't have that anymore, not to mention TwinTurboRoc is sending me videos of his car tearing it up on the highway with his turbo getting more and more dialed in lol. That being said, its Intercooler time...

I pulled the nose off and removed the GTA emblem so it wouldn't get scraped up while I had it in many different positions. I made my first cut in conjunction with how much I removed from the crush impact behind the nose bumper. I reinstalled nose, but felt the opening was too small for what I wanted in terms of look, so I opened it up even more. I need to pull the nose and remove the crush material behind the nose bumper because I made the second cut with the nose mounted, you won't see the crush material when I am done. The opening itself will have the typical Pontiac "Ram Air" Black mesh screening, and it is going to look factory when I am done. You won't even know that opening is there until you take a second look. I still need to cut the metal out of the impact structure too, to allow air to be forced right into the Intercooler, but I will do that during the week. Although I am running dual electric fans, the Intercooler itself will be a few inches away from the radiator frame housing, allowing the air dam underneath to provide plenty of scooped up air to the radiator as well. It's going to look killer when it is done, and braced up the right way, much better than stock...

TwinTurboROC

YES YES PROGRESS. You need to get this done asap. Your gonna get a 1 month window from me when my car goes down for some finishing touches. And looks like we started a 305 civil war.

And if you need a helping hand, call me.

kmcn47

co-op-etition i love it

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Thanks bro. Had the headers and turbo back on last night in less than an hour, but I think I want to relocate the wastegate though, I have a better spot in mind for it, should only take a few hours to weld up...

Naw, I don't think TwinTurboRoc meant racing between me and him, I think he meant our 305's racing against everybody else. I have quite a few cars that I want to run as soon as this thing gets back on the road, about three different Grand Nationals that are pretty damn fast, one highly modded 383 LT1 '96 Corvette which might be gone by the time I get this done, and a lot of others. Am hoping to run Eric's Formula over in Long Island if he doesn't sell it first, just gotta get this thing done...

TwinTurboROC

Dam I did'nt even know he was thinking about selling it. Maybe ill see him at tommorows NYthirdgen monthly meeting or our yearly cruise next month.

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Okay, EBL-P4 is a go. Ordering the system right now as I write this, and hopefully it will be here in a few days. Still itching to get the engine on the dyno without the turbo just to put an end to all of the naturally aspirated 305 bashing in some of the other threads, and I think I still just may squeeze that in still because it's something that I wanted to do for quite some time. Stay tuned.

Yeah bro, he is selling it. Sweet car too, but he had it for awhile. Guaranteed he comes back looking for it in a few years, we all wind up doing that, sooner or later lol...

T/Aperformance

It will be nice to see what your engine will do N/A. And it will give you and other to see what kind of power your turbo system will do, Then that will answer some other peoples questions in other threads, And shut some other bad mouth 305 bashers up finally.

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I think she is going to surprise quite a few people, and I'm honestly expecting over 300-RWHP, but with the exhaust manifolds it's going to be tough. I'll be happy with "close to" 300-RWHP though to tell you the truth. We shall see though...

Remember that my static compression is 9:0.1 thanks to the Cometic Gaskets. The EBL-P4 is ordered and on its' way, and once it gets here it is going in asap. Would like to make an install video, as well as a tuning video, if time allows for me to. The install video will probably last for about five seconds, because it is essentially plug and play lol. The tuning video though I am going to have lots of fun with it. If I can persuade Bob Rauscher to meet up with me at a local Grand National meet, I'll try to get him on video making those final adjustments...

Orr89RocZ

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I will be dyno-ing my 401 motor all motor to dial in the 24x ecm conversion. Dont want hiccups with boost involved haha. I bet its a turd and doesnt impress for the given mods and exhaust side. But on boost its an animal for sure.

On side note may pick up that 305 this weekend, else in 2 weekends since next next is july 4 haha we shall see

Street Lethal

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Definitely get that on video if you can...

... but but, it's an anemically pathetic 305 boat anchor that can't make any power whatsoever, don't waste your time with a 305, get yourself an LSX engine instead lol.

Orr89RocZ

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My harness is lsx compatible so might as well go lsx huh? Lol