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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 10:15 AM
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bumpsteer kit

Has anyone installed a bumpsteer kit ?

I'm cant't seem to find one, would anyone have a part number/


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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 10:23 AM
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http://www.baer.com/options/STEERING.SHTM

that is the baer kit, i am sure there are others.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 11:08 AM
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Yep, the Baer kit is the only one I know of for our cars.
I'd like to get this one too, but haven't yet.
Anyone actually have one?
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 06:11 PM
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Mine will be going on shortly.

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Old Nov 6, 2002 | 02:49 PM
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how much is the kit? how do you know which spacers to use?
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Ukraine Train
how much is the kit? how do you know which spacers to use?
IIRC I paid $125 for my kit thru Scoggin Dickey. They are cheaper than going thru Baer.

As for setting it up, Baer recommends a general spacer setting then taking the car to alignment shop that knows how to set up bump steer and have them do final adjustment.
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Old Nov 11, 2002 | 03:24 PM
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bumpsteer kit - is it really needed?

thanks for the bumpsteer kit info, seems kind of pricey, is it really needed or is it something only useful for track and hard road racing?
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Old Nov 12, 2002 | 06:22 AM
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i don't think you car will fall apart without it

but if you car is lowered, it is something that probably should be done, that alot of people don't do, at stock ride height it isn't something you need to do, but if you lower your car it will return the steering geomitry to where it should be.

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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 03:19 AM
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Pardon my ignorance, but if I am not mistaken these are basically upgraded tie rods? Or am I totally off? I bent one of my tie rods, so I was thinking of these instead of buying another stock one.
BTW, from Baer they are 149, according to the website.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 06:09 AM
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basicly yes, but the have an adjustment so that you can keep the angle of the tie rod where it should be, because when you lower your car, the arc the the tie rod travles when the suspension moves, is diffrent, and the difrent arc is what causes bump steer.

to put it simply, these include "relocation brackets" for your tie rods.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 06:51 AM
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Anybody have pictures of them installed for comparison to a stock lowered camaro?
I'm very interested in this because I just hit a curb in the rain (don't ask, lets just say Ohio drivers can't drive worth a damn) and my idler arm is loose. I figure it's time to rebuilt the front end now that it's got 160+K miles on it.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 10:15 AM
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oooopppps!!!

I posted some comments and then I pushed the wrong button....see my post titled " bumpy steering" dated today....Its above for now....or is it below.....hmmm.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by JPrevost
lets just say Ohio drivers can't drive worth a damn
ain't that the truth!
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 02:51 PM
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So wait if these are basically tie rods and we have inner and outter tie rods, which would these be, inner or outter? I just ordered some outter tie rods so if these are outter i'm gonna have to sell the ones I just ordered. But if they are like inner tie rods then everything should be ok right?
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by eatmydust
So wait if these are basically tie rods and we have inner and outter tie rods, which would these be, inner or outter? I just ordered some outter tie rods so if these are outter i'm gonna have to sell the ones I just ordered. But if they are like inner tie rods then everything should be ok right?
They replace the outer tie rod ends and adjuster sleeves.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 04:02 PM
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Well crap..... now gotta figure out how much to sell my outter tie rods for. Came in the PST kit I ordered and they're not priced individually. But you HAVE to have these if your lowering your car? What would happen if I didn't put these on, but I had Spohn LCA's and his relocation brackets on my car? Would that mean the rear would be ok, but the front wouldn't be? I just plan on lowering an inch all around.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by eatmydust
But you HAVE to have these if your lowering your car? What would happen if I didn't put these on, but I had Spohn LCA's and his relocation brackets on my car? Would that mean the rear would be ok, but the front wouldn't be? I just plan on lowering an inch all around.
No, you don't HAVE to have them on a lowered car.

If you do a lot of "spirited" driving, then the bump steer kit helps imrove the handling. For basic street driving you don't need them.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 04:52 PM
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And they look cool
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by BretD 88GTA
They replace the outer tie rod ends and adjuster sleeves.
So would it (Baer Bumpsteer Kit) replace the whole outer tie rod? Or would it work with an existing outer tie rod, or in eatmydust's case, a new replacement outer tie rod set? From what you said (and looking at the pic) it sounds/looks to me like the bumpsteer kit would work with any stock or replacement outer tie rods. It just changes the endings and adjuster sleeves. I just want to make sure because I will be doing my own front end rebuild soon and I plan to install the bumpsteer kit as well. If this is the case eatmydust, then you can still use the parts you bought. Just get the bumpsteer kit before you do the tie rods and do it all at once. Thanks for the info guys!

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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by CrazyHawaiian
So would it (Baer Bumpsteer Kit) replace the whole outer tie rod?
Yes it would.

Here's how it works – The stock tie rod ends (both inner and outer) are threaded and are connected by the adjuster sleeve. With the Baer Bumpsteer Kit, the stock outer tie rod and adjuster sleeve get replaced so you end up with a hiem joint at the spindle. The mounting bolt has a series of spacers that then allow you to set the height of the hiem joint.

With the hiem joint adjusted correctly on a lowered car, the steering geometry now stays intact during cornering and therefore improves handling.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 07:42 PM
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Well, actually it prevents the car from "self-steering" when you hit a bump.

The tie-rod has to be adjusted with the suspension fully loaded in compression.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 08:07 PM
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Great info guys!
Thanks!
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 08:46 PM
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Yeah thanks for the heads up BretD. Sorry to get your hopes up eatmydust. If you plan to do a bumpsteer kit and a front end rebuild at the same time, dont buy outer tie rods with the front end rebuild kit.
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