I was thinking about putting on some springs to drop the car a bit and I was wondering if I had to have an adjustable panhard bar to make the suspension right. Does anyone know or have any idea? Suspension is my weakest subject. Thanks

 

yes having one will be to your benifit.. becouse your rear end will get out of center and the ajd panhard rod will allow for it to be centered to correct the geomitry that lowering spings will mess up

 

In addition to the adjustable panhard bar you might consider adj relocation brackets for your panhard bar as well. From the posts Ive read as Ive been putting my suspension together lowering you car can throw the angle of your panhard bar off. According to what Ive read in numerous posts your bar has to be level which means both mounting points have to be even with one another with your tires on the ground or it can adversely affect the way your car handles in a corner.

 

hm, if you lower the car then you do need an adjustable panhard rod. I just make mine slightly smaller, like 1/4''. It can help quite a bit it seems in the slalom to have it centered right, but can do no real long term damage to not have one, not to mention some people will notice it and think it's odd that your car is uneven.

I'm thinking baddazz mean the LOWER CONTROL ARM relocation brackets, and that by lowering your car they through off your traction GREATLY. Trust me on this, if you lower, use LCARB, look it up in a search, too much to list. I've heard about needing to adjust the panhard rod's angle, but evidently lowering a car any amount will make almost no real difference, as evident by no company making one that relocates it properly.

Rear suspension important lowering lists: Adjustable PHR, and LCARBs. Front suspension, well, i'd plan to rebuild the entire thing now or in the near future.

 

Now wait a second, this confuses me a bit. Lowering my car will still help traction though, right? Will it be a waste of time unless I get the adj bar and relocation brackets? Realistically, I won't be able to do all of this at the same time. I am a payday to payday kind of guy and I can throw out saving up money to get it all at once. That just doesn't work in this house for some reason. My plan was to get the lowering springs first, then the adj. bar and new lca's, then maybe I can get the relocation brackets. Is this a feasable plan? Or should I get the relocation brackets second and the lca's and bar third?

Thanks to all for your inputs, , they are greatly appreciated!

 

for straight line you don't want to lower

 

Good lowering spings, shocks and struts do help alot. Then you will find out that you've changed the geometry and the centering of the rear end. The adjustable panhard rods is for re-centering the rear end and the chassis. The LCA relocation brackets are to correct the geometry of the LCAs, that will angle up towards the rear end after lowering. The panhard bar relocation bracket will re-level the panhard bar ( should be level to the ground ). After lowering, the panhard bar will angle up towards the driver side of the car.

There are a couple companies that make the panhard bar relocation bracket.

Here's the links:

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...06&prmenbr=361

http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Camaro/

I just bought the Jegs one but haven't installed it yet.

It does get a little involved making the suspension right and fine tuning all this stuff.

 

Thanks for the input about the adjustable panhard brackets I knew I wasnt loosing my mind...lol. I did forget about the LCA's though, but we were discussing the panhard bar so. Anyhow, now that we have this poor guy totally freaked about havin enough money to mod his suspension lets back up abit. You can do these mods a piece at a time without damaging your car, it just wouldnt be a good idea to expect it to perform well until you ve gotten all the pieces installed. I wouldnt go throwin it into corner at a high rate of speed or expect it to hook when you hammer the pedal or you will be disappointed. It will infact perform worse than it does now till ya get all the pieces in place and get it tuned.

 

I agree with BaddAzzRS.

After I lowered my car with the Eibachs, I didn't feel anything wrong with the handling ( I don't road race or anything, not yet ). It's when I started reading and learning more about suspension that I realized my car's geometry wasn't right. I did know about the centering of the rear end problem, but mine was off a very small amount, maybe 1/4", but got the adjustable PHB anyway. Being the perfectionist I am, it had to be perfect, so I added the LCARBS later and I'll install the PHB relocation bracket soon, then my geometry should be correct.

I really doubt you'd hurt anything by just lowering and not getting the other stuff. I paid around $250 for the PHB, LCARBs and PHB relocation bracket.

 

I just thought of something. If you level the PHB with the PHB relocation bracket, will that correct the rear end centering problem? Because when you lower the car the PHB will angle, thereby shortening it, and isn't this what throws off the centering?

 

Hmmm...thats something I didnt think of, but if it was correct to begin with then I would figure that returning it to its factory level would recenter the rear end properly. I just like having the adjustability becuz Im ait of a perfectionist myself. I just dont trust anyone elses work..lol

 

Installing the just the LCA relocation brackets on a non-lowered car will help with traction. Then get the LCA's as this will stiffen up the rear.