breathment

ok, i was driving in my friends 93 Corolla the other day, and hes kinda crazy, and anyways we were driving in the neighborhood and anyways when he would turn he would have NO tire noise or anything. This car is stock and he can outhandle my GTA. anyways my question is, why is it that if i turn going like 5 i have all sorts of tire noise comming from the front tires mostly, and it gets anoying. also im having a bit of understeer too. tire pressure is like 31 PSI on front tires, and like 32 PSI rear. and im pretty sure the endlinks are OK.

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88' GTA 350 MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass

REZN8R

The first problem is basic physics. A 2300 lb car takes less force to turn than a 3400 lb car. It takes a lot of mods to make up for that weight disadvantage. Secondly, if your tires squeal when turning at 5 mph, then something is definately wrong with your car. I'm guessing it's something to do with your alignment (camber & toe).

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

The first issue is that the Corolla is a much smaller car and will likely excel over you at slower speeds. The second issue is I'm fairly certain your car isn't exactly 'well tuned'. The third issue is that he's probably a better driver.

Gta-Paladin

And qwiktrip drives the cuss buss through breathment town

ViciousZ

iTrader: (1)

I'm not exactly up on my Corollas, but some things to consider are: #1) If the corolla has a shorter wheel base, it'll handle the corners better. #2) The corolla is fwd so he can mash the gas in a corner without fishtailing. #3) The quality (and amount of sidewall) on a tire makes a huge difference. If the camaro has crapo tires on 15" rims, it's not gonna handle very well.

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breathment

well my main question is this, since the main reason is not complaining about how his car handles better. cause mine handles great, and i could probably easily outhandle him. my main complaint is that the front tires always squil when i turn quickly, and it annoys me cause it means i really can't turn that fast anywhere, cause then everyone thinks im speeding through the neighborhood and they follow me, and then the cops here love to stop people for "tire noise", so does everyone else's do that when they turn sharply?

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88' GTA 350 MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

One thing you can do is check your alignment. The next thing to consider is the amount of tire scrub your suspension causes. If you pick up a basic suspension book from the auto store you can read up on tire scrub and what you can do about it. My comment on driving abililty wasn't meant to be insulting. It's simply a common problem. I'm not exactly fabulous either. Go to the local autocross and get a few pointers and look into any training sessions they might have. You could also have a good driver do a ride along with you and give you a few pointers. You'd be amazed at what those guys can drive and beat you with.

Gta-Paladin... I just state the facts, ma'am and you know what I said it absolutely true. We got no pride to hide behind or we wouldn't learn anything.

[This message has been edited by QwkTrip (edited August 17, 2001).]

Intense92

If you can't handle as well or better that a POS Corolla then you have serious alignment problems or worn out parts, my car never makes front tire noise unless I am driving it hard enough to get arrested

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L98 Alu. Heads
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Dynomax cat-back
14" open air cleaner

1998 Dodge Ram SS/T

El Guapo

Look at your suspension. How old is it? If it is stock its way past time to replace them.

Quick question. How can you have understeer at 5mph?

Clayton

jRaskell

You should have your alignment checked, and maybe have a mechanic look over your entire front suspension. I have an 88 GTA also, and I don't get any tire noise unless I really am pushing it, and I know my car will easily outhandle a corolla. And just for a baseline, ALL GTAs came with the WS6 suspension.

Chronos_Titan

If you think it is natural for freaking corolla to be out handling you then you have never had you car with the front suspension in good shape. If the tire noise is coming from the front tires I about gaurantee the upper strut mounts are gone. It will cost you about 200 bucks to get new ones but go ahead and do it. It should be a big difference.

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Stripped w/Cage back halved w/ladder bars and coil overs and 9 inch
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Steve87Pont

Do you have a wonderbar. There have been numerous posts about it. I drive slowly through a parking garage everyday and the front end noises and tire sounds at low speed were driving me nuts. I add the bar up front and the noises have all but stopped. At slow speeds and wide tires put a lot of force on the frame horns (?) and the flex allowing the shifting weight to be wasted.

breathment

i don't really have understeer, the tires just kinda squile whenever i turn realy sharp, and maybe when im going a little faster i can feel it slip a tiny bit then it'l turn .

and for the rest of yall, when i say the corolla outhandles my car, i don't exaclty mean that, wut i ment was the fact that im having excesive tire noise coming from the front tires. and i was amazed that his car, especialy being front wheel drive, didn't have any tire noise, my GTA handles really well, except for the front tires making alot of noise on really sharp turns, mostly in residential roads. and one time when i was driving down a road which forked, and instead of goign straight i went left, going about 35 and it wasn't a sharp turn or anything, and then i had really bad understeer there. and another time i was driving about 40, kinda downhill and i made a sharp left turn with the brakes, (almost missed the turn into the golf course) and my car still wanted to go straight. do u guys think maybe its the tires, Yokohama? iv heard some bad things about them.



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88' GTA 350 MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass

Basett_Racing

Actually a thirdgen, even with fresh front-end rebuild, and perfect alignment pushes the front end some when cornering hard at slow speeds or from a dead stop. I have had 8 of them, and I have never had one that didn't do it. I had the front-end on my Z28 rebuilt with a PST kit and all new sway bushings, and new struts, and it still did it some. Also where as your tires may be squealing, others still push, but don't make all the noise. Some squeal only on cement of new black top. The entire front of my RS is new, and ever time I pull into my favorite part store in town, the front tires squeal a little on the cement parking lot. I haven't heard it anywhere else, but that's the only cement parking lot I frequently drive in.

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johnsjj2

I don't think there is anything wrong with your car. My Camaro squeals when I go 3mph in the drive through at Micky D's. It mainly does it on blacktop surfaces. My Grand Prix will out handle the Camaro any day of the weak. We have a road close by that is commonly refered to as The Crooked Road b/c of all the sharp turns. I have pushed the GP as hard as I dare and I can hold a steady 65mph all the way except 1 turn has a little creek bridge and a bump right at the begining of the turn. I have to slow down to 60 for that but I come out of it almost drifting b/c it exits up hill. The Camaro will only do 50mph, and 40 on the bridge turn. The rear wants to come out real bad. And it is a lot harsher, so every little rock in the road will bounce the car. Both cars are bone stock as far as suspension, and both have about 115,000miles on them. The GP is a 97 and it weighs just a tad over what the Camaro does. The front wheel drive has a lot to do with it.



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Joshua Johnston
1991 Z-28
Flowmaster
K&N
305 / 5spd. (Temporary)
Soon to have:
350, Ported Vortec heads, Edelbrock RPM, Holley 750 D.P., HEI, 11.07:1 CR, Comp Cams Roller-.510"/.520"-282*/288* dur., Shorty Headers, Dual 2.5 Exhaust, T&R Motorsports custom air intake

82 TRANS AM

My 82 WS7 never makes a noise, always oversteer. Hardtop.

My 83 WS6 T-top, squeels like a pig, always understeer.

I'd go with SFC's and a wonder bar for starters.

I could see a Corolla maybe out cornering the T-top car, but no way would it out corner the hardtop.

FWIW

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Kenney
82 Trans Am WS7 notchback
83 Trans Am WS6 T-tops
Painter @ Chevy dealer
GM junkie

breathment

well today i was amazed, it rained all day, and i was driving my car at night once it dried, and my tires were pretty warm i guess, been driving for like 20 min, and everytime i would turn sharpley, they was almost NO tire noise, so im pretty sure its just the tires,



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88' GTA 350 MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass

Eightyninef

put some air in those front tires and the squealing will go away !

auto shop 101 in high school

tzweelz

im surprised no one else but larry said anything about the tire pressure. 31 psi seems pretty low to me. i believe the recomended amount is 35 and i run mine at 37-38 and my friends 97 grand prix GT cant keep up w/ me in the twisties
though the newer lightweight fwd cars can really stick

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suncoast ram-air hood
ASAI aerowing
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Viper 550esp w/ rem start
Grant GT, all Kenwood.
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tci starter, 3.73 gears,
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Brett Gutshall

Yeah I'm kind of seeing the same thing. My friend (who is also kind of crazy behind the wheel) was throwing his 90 Prelude through some pretty sharp turns at speeds I wouldn't even think of doing in my Formula. I don't think my car handles bad considering it has T-Tops but I think it should be better. On the other hand I don't have any tire squeal or noise like that at slow speeds. I'd check that out.

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90 Formula 305 TPI 5 speed
K&N, Dynomax Muffler

breathment

door sticker says 30, tires say max 35, should i go with wut the door sticker says?

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88' GTA 350 MODS---> air foil, K&N, Shift Kit, 180* therm, TB bypass

Biochem

I own both a 84 z28 and a 93 Corolla and I would even compare the two. I would not take a turn in the rice at more than half of the speed I do in the Camaro. Exit ramps, I'll do 70 in the Camaro and won't push 55 in the Corolla. Granted, I need to replace the struts/springs/tires in the rice... then it might be closer.

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Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

My 86 Sport Coupe will squeal the tires at full-lock.

My 85 IROC does not.

My 88 GTA does not.

All 3 will far, far, far outhandle any of the MANY corollas I've driven (I worked at a Toyota dealership for a summer) regardless of speed and conditions.

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84Camaro_L69

Your car needs HELP! Even when my shocks and struts were so worn on my car that it bounced like a 70's Caddy on the highway my tires still wouldn't squeal doing 70mph on the on-ramp. I have Indy 500's 215/65/15 (stock size for Z28's) and they are whisper quiet at 32psi.

Just a reminder ... The FBody's out handle most cars on the road. We are wider, closer to the ground (lower center of gravity), and have a stiffer suspension.

steeljab

iTrader: (3)

my front tires squeel at full lock at low speeds (like, under 10) havn't looked at the suspension yet, so idunno if its the stock '87 (maro btw) or if it has been replaced, but it handles alot better than anything else i've ever drivin

87 formy

Ok, first off, this thread is from 2001. Next ^^your tires might be rubbing. Third, a couple of years back my truck was down and I wouldn't (still wont) park my firebird in the parking lot, so I drove a 90 corolla. The thing handled like ***. I could easily take corners at double the speed in my firebird.

redliterunner

Stock third gens run SCCA solo 1 class FS. All stock corollas run HS. HS and FS cars tend to have comparable times on a solo 1 type course, so, which is faster comes down more to driving ability than the car in this case.

Darkshot

iTrader: (4)

Is this a street car? If so, grab some subframe connectors, new springs, quality shocks/struts (check out Koni), aftermarket tubular control arms/panhard rod for the rear, new strut mounts, inner/outer tie rods, center link, idler arm, ball joints, stock replacement rubber A-arm bushings, poly sway bar bushings, poly sway bar endlinks, thick sway bars if you don't already have them, wonder bar, service your steering box, at least 16 or 17 inch rims with quality rubber, and have your alignment set to +4.5 degrees caster each side (or max positive caster that is equal both sides), -0.5 degrees camber both sides, and about 1/32" - 1/16" Toe-IN then get back to us.

91_5.7_TPI

iTrader: (2)

Some good advice, but this thread is from 2001

billybird

what tires do have that a corolla can "outhandle " you....cmon!!! lol


our cars get .86 gs...i dont think the corolla can beat that

sumthin is not right with your car

iansane

iTrader: (1)

I have nothing to contribute other than people are throwing out crap to replace when he should've (I say should've, because this should've happened 7 years ago) done a simple check over the suspension. My guess is there was something wrong or it wasn't the tires making noises.

That's a name I haven't seen in awhile. Is this the same Paladin that ended up wrecking his GTA and killing himself?

crytical point

I have a 78 chevy monza that will drive circles around a lotus with the same tires. Its all about tuning your suspension and granted keeping up with short wheel base cars you will be a a sever disadvantage and the weight distribution will help. Also you can kill them on the corners with a well placed clutch kick well that is against FWD but against say a Miata then may the force be with you because they have GODLY handleing. There is a video on youtube of a C4 Corvette vs Miata on a road course and the Miata couldn't keep up on the straights but pounded the vette on the corners. If you want to beat your friends corolla then go in low and punch it once you hit the apex and you will kill him because a FWD cant do that without horrible understeer and bump.

redliterunner

I don't think you can teach driver skill on a message board.

And driver skill is a WAAAAAAY bigger factor in going fast than the car you are driving.

My last solo event, I went faster than an '08 vette, but a new Honda Fit went faster than me.