yesterday morning, right after it had rained(the ground was still wet) i watched a camaro get pilotted around a turn from a street to an onramp. this dumb@ss was going as fast as one would go when its dry and still be pushing their luck. He lost it and saved it before going 90 deg down the onramp, hit the curb, did a 180, slammed the rear tire into the curb sideways, then continued to slide backwards down the ramp. he then drove the car with a shredded rear tire up the ramp so he could change it. I hope the people here don't go off all half ****ed and do $hit like this, because as well as our suspensions hold the road, its only our tires that keep us where we are and in control. This guy is extremely lucky he didn't roll his car into the bushes, down the hill onto the freeway, or he would have died. It's people like this that create problems with treehuggers that think car fanatics are reckless hooligans.