Trailer hitch install?
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Trailer hitch install?
I picked up one for my 'bird, but I have a question for those who have installed one on a 3rd gen before.
The hitch has captive nuts for bolts to spin in to. But it appears to line up to use the rear bumper support for mounting, which sounds great until you realize that the bumper support uses captive bolts & the nuts spin onto those.
In other words...The studs cant spin into the captive nuts & the captive nuts can't spin onto the studs. WTF?
Gotta knock out the studs & use new bolts? Or know off the captive nuts & re-use the stock nuts?
The hitch has captive nuts for bolts to spin in to. But it appears to line up to use the rear bumper support for mounting, which sounds great until you realize that the bumper support uses captive bolts & the nuts spin onto those.
In other words...The studs cant spin into the captive nuts & the captive nuts can't spin onto the studs. WTF?
Gotta knock out the studs & use new bolts? Or know off the captive nuts & re-use the stock nuts?
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
Nobody?
I know I've seen pics of 3rd gens on TGO with small trailers, like those used for AutoX to carry their race compound tires on the "race" wheels.
I know I've seen pics of 3rd gens on TGO with small trailers, like those used for AutoX to carry their race compound tires on the "race" wheels.
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
The hitch has the 2 captive nuts which means using a bolt, but the bumper "bolts" are captive so they can't spin. They use a standard nut.
Is there something I'm not seeing? Does the hitch line up somewhere else & use its own bolts?
Is there something I'm not seeing? Does the hitch line up somewhere else & use its own bolts?
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
that is the exact same hitch I had in my IROC for race tire hauling duty. I knocked the bolts out of the bumper/frame mount and used my own bolts to bolt the hitch on.
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
How about knocking out the captive nuts from the hitch, pulling the stock nuts off, slip the hitch onto the stock studs & putting the stock nuts on?
If the captive nuts weren't there, that woulda been my thought on how it gets installed.
I bought it used, so no install instructions to go by.
If the captive nuts weren't there, that woulda been my thought on how it gets installed.
I bought it used, so no install instructions to go by.
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
1MeanZ, does this sound like a reasonable solution, without buying all new bolts & taking everything off to knock the stock studs out?
How about knocking out the captive nuts from the hitch, pulling the stock nuts off, slip the hitch onto the stock studs & putting the stock nuts on?
If the captive nuts weren't there, that woulda been my thought on how it gets installed.
I bought it used, so no install instructions to go by.
If the captive nuts weren't there, that woulda been my thought on how it gets installed.
I bought it used, so no install instructions to go by.
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
How about knocking out the captive nuts from the hitch, pulling the stock nuts off, slip the hitch onto the stock studs & putting the stock nuts on?
If the captive nuts weren't there, that woulda been my thought on how it gets installed.
I bought it used, so no install instructions to go by.
If the captive nuts weren't there, that woulda been my thought on how it gets installed.
I bought it used, so no install instructions to go by.
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From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: Trailer hitch install?
I bought that same Draw-Tite tow bar new many years ago when they were still in production. Did you get the plastic cover that snaps onto it when not towing? I'll see if I can find my instructions. I used to tow a PWC trailer and my HiLo travel trailer. I've long since retired my Camaro from towing duties though.
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
I bought that same Draw-Tite tow bar new many years ago when they were still in production. Did you get the plastic cover that snaps onto it when not towing? I'll see if I can find my instructions. I used to tow a PWC trailer and my HiLo travel trailer. I've long since retired my Camaro from towing duties though.
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From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: Trailer hitch install?
OK, that will be a bit of a problem. It is a low-profile non-standard size. You'll need to fabricate one since it has been discontinued. Draw-tite still makes a tow receiver with the same name and model number as this, but they've cahnged the design to the standard dimension square style bar instead of this low-profile version. PM me you e-mail address and I'll take pictures of it and e-mail to you. I can also e-mail the scanned instructions. The captured nuts can be created by welding a strapping material to a nut, then drilling a hole through the strap. You just need something that you can push through the hole and hold in place while you start the bolt. Once the bolt is tightened the strap coils around inside the frame keeping the nut from spinning.
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Car: 1983 Pontiac Trans Am Daytona 500
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Transmission: Jasper 700R4 4 speed Automatic
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
How much for the hitch lonsal?
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
I still have the one that I posted above. I bought a truck last week so I no longer need the 3rd gen hitch. $50+shipping & it is yours. And I do have the captured nuts Lon spoke of. Only thing "missing" is the instructions.
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
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From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: Trailer hitch install?
Actually more than just the instructions are missing. The tomgue that goes into the receiver that the hitch ball attached to and the locking pin that holds it in place are also missing. Also missing the plastic cover that snaps into the hole of the receiver when you have removed the flat piece with the ball.
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
Lon
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
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From: Boston, MA
Car: 1983 Pontiac Trans Am Daytona 500
Engine: Crossfire 305ci V8
Transmission: Jasper 700R4 4 speed Automatic
Axle/Gears: 3.23 limited slip/posi
Re: Trailer hitch install?
Actually more than just the instructions are missing. The tomgue that goes into the receiver that the hitch ball attached to and the locking pin that holds it in place are also missing. Also missing the plastic cover that snaps into the hole of the receiver when you have removed the flat piece with the ball.
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
Lon
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
Lon
got a link to the square version?
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
Actually more than just the instructions are missing. The tomgue that goes into the receiver that the hitch ball attached to and the locking pin that holds it in place are also missing. Also missing the plastic cover that snaps into the hole of the receiver when you have removed the flat piece with the ball.
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
Lon
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
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http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/p...-receiver.aspx
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From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: Trailer hitch install?
The flat style draw var is stil readily available. Maybe not at your local Wal Mart, but it can easily be ordered online or bought at a trailer place/Tractor Supply/etc.
http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/p...-receiver.aspx
http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/p...-receiver.aspx
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From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: Trailer hitch install?
Actually more than just the instructions are missing. The tomgue that goes into the receiver that the hitch ball attached to and the locking pin that holds it in place are also missing. Also missing the plastic cover that snaps into the hole of the receiver when you have removed the flat piece with the ball.
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
Lon
In one of the earlier posts about this style of trailer hitch receiver on TGO someone posted a link to site where you could purchase that part that the hitch ball mounts to. I was surprised considering it's been at least 5 or 6 years since Draw-Tite discontinued this style and switchecd to the standard square-shaped receiver version.
Lon
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...ler-hitch.html
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Re: Trailer hitch install?
I've gotta correct what I wrote. In searching for the link to the flat piece that slips into the receiver I found a post I wrote back in 2002 where I lamented that the cool flat-style Draw-Tite Sportline hitch receiver was discontinued.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...ler-hitch.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...ler-hitch.html
The hitch is now up for sale, since I got me a truck& am selling all my spare 3rd stuff & likely the GTA too before too long. PM me if anyone is interested in buying the hitch.
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