So I've read through tons of threads on lowering. So I'm coming to final conclusions on getting this right. Trying to get my gta as low as possible with the exspense of air ride. I've already installed eibach sportlines. And I'm looking into dropped spindles for the front. But what about the back? Aside from cutting coils off, the only tip or idea I've read is to remove the rubber on top of the rear spring and wrap it in garden hose? Has anyone actually tried this? Or are there any new ideas I haven't seen? Any and all help will be great! Thanks!

 

To do it right you really want something with adjustable heights like the ground control weight jacks.

If you are just looking for shorter rear springs, you can find them here.
http://www.pagedezigner.com/bluecoil/2009/pig-tail.htm

How low are you trying to go? I would imagine the sportlines are probably to low of a rate to run that low.

 

im just trying to eliminate all the wheel gap, so another 1.5 or 2 inches would be plenty

 

i bought the 756# MOOG springs and cut a coil and a half in the front..in the rear i have 200# BMR Springs with the rubber on the top taken out..i dont have any hose on front or rear and its not a problem some pics for reference




exhaust clearance. lol

 

Thanks! I'm def gonna pull that rubber out
Love your car by the way, hella clean.

 

what's the ride quality like? I want to do this same thing but I'm afraid of ruining $200 springs

 

The pix of the car real low makes my kidneys HURT!

 

If you want it to still handle right, you have to do drop spindles in the front to lower that end(without any lowering springs) and on the rear you have to use lowering springs, and put LCARBs on it with adjustable panhard(I think), I am certain about the LCARBs, just can't remember for 100% sure that the adjustable piece needs to be the panhard, but I am pretty sure that was the one that needed to be adjustable.
If you do it any other way you will alter the suspension geometry.(bad for handling, unless you are deliberately altering it to improve it, which lowering springs don't do)

 

Lcarbs? Explain please? And with the sportlines the ride quality isn't terrible. But if you want the lowered look, you obviously have to lose ride comfort. Just depends if you think it's worth it or not.

 

lower control arm relocation brackets, they bring the geometry back into line when you put lowering springs on the rear.

 

That is not entirely true. These cars have such little suspension travel and body roll combined with a long A-arm that you can get away with the stock spindles on a 2" drop. I have plenty of track time on this kind of setup and the handling is great. Sure, drop spindles are ideal, but not having them is not a major hindrance.

 

They aren't "ideal" they are the "correct" way to do it, imo unless you are doing it for looks and don't much care for performance drop spindles are the only option.

 

LOL. You are trying school me on what works on these cars. According to your website, you don't have a single handling modification on you car. But somehow you know better than the rest of us.

Maybe you should tell the 996 911 TT driver that my suspension isn't correct. After all he couldn't keep up with me at Pacific Raceways, except for the main straight.

Please, I would be happy to see evidence that the drop spindles are SOOOO much better than stock.

 

Coil-overs front and rear are an option of another "correct" way of lowering.

 

Well that is highly debatable. First of all the coilovers put the weight of the car on an area that was never designed to hold the weight. Will it cause a problem? Who knows, but there are rare reports of bent up fenders and strut towers from running coilovers. The rear shock mount is already a weak spot, now you are going to add all the rear weight to that spot.

Second of all they reduce the maximum tire width you can run.

Third, I have not heard of a single person review them on a car that was built to handle. So I would be hesitant to agree without any evidence.

 

That still alters the geometry, on the rear there is no way to get around it, which is why there are LCARBs out there to compensate and bring it back to where it should be.
And lets get something straight here, its pretty asinine of you to assume that just because I have no handling mods on my car, that I don't know anything, I never said drop spindles are "better than stock" the difference is they ARE the better option for lowering the front, as opposed to lowering springs, other than lowering, they provide no direct improvement, the only point I made was that by putting lowering springs on the front of the car you alter suspension geometry, try and argue that all you want, but its a cold hard fact, regardless of how it "feels" at the track.
If vetruck/dean were around he would back me up that drop spindles are the correct way to lower the front, also coilovers up front aren't better than non coils imo, coilovers up front put more sprung weight on the spindle, that I agree with.

 

Oh really, whats the max tire size I can run? My car is built/Moded to handle.

 

I see we agree then. You may have missed my first post when I said "Sure, drop spindles are ideal, but not having them is not a major hindrance." I agree drop spindles are better than not having them. My point is simply that you can have an excellent handling car without them. Using drop spindles seems to raise all kinds of other issues, that for some people makes them not worth the effort.

These cars are full of compromises. IMO there are much bigger fish to fry than the spindles.

 

There are other issues yes, I guess to me it just doesn't make sense to add to them, If I do a mod like that I want to do it right, I mean I don't see it being all that much more costly or complicated than lowering springs, unless you need new springs, I mean, like I said, if you are doing it for handling, drop spindles, if you just want the look, lowering springs.

 

I have not done any measuring myself. But based on typical wheel/strut clearance, you would probably lose 3/4" of backspace. So with coilovers I would bet you would not want to go much more than 5" of backspace. Keeping the wheels tucked inside the fenders would limit you to about a 9" wide wheel. Again there are a lot of assumptions in that calculation though.

 

IIRC there were major issues with the tie rod hitting wide 18" and under wheels. I can see this as a reality. There is not much clearance as is. In my case I'm not willing to run a narrow wheel/tire just for drop spindles. I imagine you will lose more grip dropping 1.5" of tire width than you will gain with the drop spindles. Again, just my assumption. I have no evidence to back that up.