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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 03:16 PM
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Factory LCA Bracing?

I noticed these braces inside the LCA's on a car in the boneyard today. The car was nothing special, an '85 LG4 Auto. I've never seen anything like them before, though I must admit that I have never looked for them. I'm guessing they were extra bracing for the LCA's, but are they factory or aftermarket? They fit perfectly in the side holes of the factory LCA's; either the front two or the back two. The car I pulled them from had them in the front two holes, towards the front of the car. Just curious what I stumbled onto.
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 03:17 PM
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 04:24 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Yep, some 3rd gens got them while many others didn't. I don't know which ones or why, other then it will make the arm less flexible. Those braces were also used on g-body's that had a rear sway bar. The bar ends bolted to the LCA's with the brace preventing the arm from collapsing.

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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 05:05 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

g-body's that had a rear sway bar
^^^This^^^

Lots of parts on these cars are like that; semi-universal, so they fit a bunch of different body styles. Just like the front LCAs, which have shock holes, even though these cars don't have front shocks at all.
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 05:17 PM
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Was it a sport coupe or Z28/IROC?
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 05:20 PM
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Interesting. Thanks, guys.
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Old Oct 13, 2014 | 05:21 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Originally Posted by MY87LT
Was it a sport coupe or Z28/IROC?
Base Z28. Non-Iroc.
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Old Oct 14, 2014 | 02:16 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

As noted above it was for the G-Body sway bar that mounted between the two LCAs, they prevent the LCAs from collapsing when the sway bar bolts are tightened down through the LCA. My guess is either someone swapped in the LCAs from a G-body or just the two little brackets thinking they will add strength.

Could have been from the factory but I would be very surprised.
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Old Oct 14, 2014 | 03:22 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Was Working Under The Car Today Checked Mine,They Were Factory,Not Sure What The Determining Factor Was For Which Car Got Them.

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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Originally Posted by nosajwols
As noted above it was for the G-Body sway bar that mounted between the two LCAs, they prevent the LCAs from collapsing when the sway bar bolts are tightened down through the LCA. My guess is either someone swapped in the LCAs from a G-body or just the two little brackets thinking they will add strength.

Could have been from the factory but I would be very surprised.
Those bracings did come on F bodies with the beefier suspensions like Z28's and the IROC's. Possibly the 1984-1985 F41 Camaro sport coupes.
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Old Oct 14, 2014 | 06:16 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

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Those bracings did come on F bodies with the beefier suspensions like Z28's and the IROC's. Possibly the 1984-1985 F41 Camaro sport coupes.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was original to the car. The body nor the suspension were in particularly good shape, though it's hard to say what has happened to the car over the last 30 years. I was measuring the rear sway bar when I noticed it. 18mm rear and 32 solid front.
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Yup; seems kinda random which cars got those LCAs and which got the ones without. There's quite a number of mysteries like that about these cars; almost like there were several suppliers or plants, each of which was given a different set of drawings, and none of which were operating at the same time as the others. Typical "old GM" in a way, I guess.
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Old Oct 14, 2014 | 08:42 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

I wrote the following up sometime ago:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/susp...r-control.html

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Old Oct 14, 2014 | 09:03 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

I haven't seen them on any 86 and up cars, anyone else?
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Old Oct 14, 2014 | 09:08 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Hey James, you sure did and I even commented on it. LOL. Btw, I could have sworn I have seen those braces listed on my 1987 shop manual. Have to dig it up.
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Old Oct 18, 2014 | 08:44 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Picked a pair today a U-Pick-It off a 85 Z28.

Also saw two cadillac's with the sway bar attachment bracket - they are not the same - and are mounted at the rear of the LCA on the caddy - but at the front on the Z28 LCA.
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Old Oct 20, 2014 | 05:53 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

FYI

Per GM parts diagram - Lower Control Reinforcement p/n 10000097 used on 83-86 Camaro.
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Old Oct 20, 2014 | 06:33 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

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Per GM parts diagram - Lower Control Reinforcement p/n 10000097 used on 83-86 Camaro.
Yes. For more info, please see the link I provide above.

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Old Oct 20, 2014 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesC
Yes. For more info, please see the link I provide above.

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Oops - how did I miss that.
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Old Oct 23, 2014 | 04:12 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Originally Posted by RavenGT
FYI

Per GM parts diagram - Lower Control Reinforcement p/n 10000097 used on 83-86 Camaro.
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My GM Chevrolet 1987 Camaro shop manual has the reinforcements listed under the rear suspension section so it was at least up to 1987 unless someone has a 1988 to 1992 GM Chevrolet Camaro or Pontiac Firebird shop manual to confirm.
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Old Oct 23, 2014 | 05:28 PM
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Re: Factory LCA Bracing?

Originally Posted by TTOP350
I haven't seen them on any 86 and up cars, anyone else?
My 86 Z28 LG4/5-speed has them.
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