Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,613
Likes: 10
From: Tulsa, OK
Car: 1989 Formula WS6
Engine: L03 305 TBI
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt; 3.42 Posi
Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
OK, so I haven't gotten to look at this yet.
My car is up getting the new Hawk's 17" GTA wheels and tires put on. While they're at it, I had them put the Hotchkiss 1" lowering springs on the car too.
Just got a call from the guy (he knows his ****). He said now the rear shocks are too long and the springs slip out of the cups when the wheels are off the ground. He says he's worried if I hit a really big bump on the street the springs would come out of the cups.
Is this a thing?
My car is up getting the new Hawk's 17" GTA wheels and tires put on. While they're at it, I had them put the Hotchkiss 1" lowering springs on the car too.
Just got a call from the guy (he knows his ****). He said now the rear shocks are too long and the springs slip out of the cups when the wheels are off the ground. He says he's worried if I hit a really big bump on the street the springs would come out of the cups.
Is this a thing?
Re: Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
Sorta... Just ask him to shorten the shocks for you and you'll be good to go. 
Two easy solutions... First, realize that when the axle is hanging free, the car is off the ground. How often do you fly your thirdgen, Mr Knight? Second, if you're really worried about it, make and install some limiting straps. Limiting straps are old school band-aid tech for that exact problem. Basically a seatbelt style heavy duty strap with anchors at both ends that you attach to the frame and the axle or suspension on the other end so that the travel is limited and the springs can't pop out.
It's pretty much a non-issue. Just don't hit the turbo boost and you'll be fine.

Two easy solutions... First, realize that when the axle is hanging free, the car is off the ground. How often do you fly your thirdgen, Mr Knight? Second, if you're really worried about it, make and install some limiting straps. Limiting straps are old school band-aid tech for that exact problem. Basically a seatbelt style heavy duty strap with anchors at both ends that you attach to the frame and the axle or suspension on the other end so that the travel is limited and the springs can't pop out.
It's pretty much a non-issue. Just don't hit the turbo boost and you'll be fine.
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,613
Likes: 10
From: Tulsa, OK
Car: 1989 Formula WS6
Engine: L03 305 TBI
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt; 3.42 Posi
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 10,437
Likes: 2,093
Car: '89 Firebird
Engine: 7.0L
Transmission: T56
Re: Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
No he doesn't.
How far the axle droops is limited by how far the shocks extend. Different brand shocks extend different lengths. Just slap it together and run with it. The spring are not going to fall out unless you free fall from a mountain cliff.
If it really really really bothers you, then some of the original IROC shocks have shorter free length.
How far the axle droops is limited by how far the shocks extend. Different brand shocks extend different lengths. Just slap it together and run with it. The spring are not going to fall out unless you free fall from a mountain cliff.
If it really really really bothers you, then some of the original IROC shocks have shorter free length.
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,626
Likes: 46
From: Double Bratville
Car: '89 Formula
Engine: LS2
Transmission: 4L65E
Axle/Gears: MW 3.42 12 Bolt
Re: Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
If you want stock, I respect that, then yada, yada, yada. Buy your parts.
Modern tech advancements are showing up in coilovers. Traditional shock/spring combo just doesn't have good options for us. Prove me wrong!
Welding an attachment plate up in the spring perch will actually be an improvement in shock angle - it's slight, but an improvement. If you want to argue, go ahead, but I won't. The consideration is operating range - you need to know desired ride height. Coilovers have some adjustment, but not as much as commonly thought. You can adjust about 3/4" and stay in operation range. Know what you are doing. Be informed. They can eliminate the need for weight jacks in the rear - not the front.
The stock rear range is 16". Detroit Speed sells the Uber Jri at 2" drop. Full disclosure: I have the RideTech HQ6110 with 250# and a 19mm PHB.
I suggest that you purchase a quality coilover in your desired operating range and have several springs and PHB's to experiment with. Quality parts will be rebuildable and customizeable for your application (future tweaking as you learn). Bars are cheap from a JY, and two spring rates should help. No one can tell you exactly, you have to experiment. Be informed in your choices. Know your plans and goals. Dampahs and Rubbahs are primary. Every other part is in a support role/secondary role. Good Luck!
If performance isn't your thing, then strap them down and accept the performance loss. Springs support the weight, and shocks are basically a timing device - simplified explanation. If you're mismatched, then you are - bounce.
Most won't pay for quality, then want advice for achieving quality - yada, yada, yada.
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,613
Likes: 10
From: Tulsa, OK
Car: 1989 Formula WS6
Engine: L03 305 TBI
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt; 3.42 Posi
Re: Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
Beltech shocks for 1-2" drop on the way.
While I may not be jumping as often as K.I.T.T., I don't want the springs dropping out of the pockets every time I rotate the tires.
While I may not be jumping as often as K.I.T.T., I don't want the springs dropping out of the pockets every time I rotate the tires.
Trending Topics
Supreme Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,801
Likes: 21
From: Rochester NY
Car: 1984 z28
Engine: 355
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: Moser 9" 4.11
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,613
Likes: 10
From: Tulsa, OK
Car: 1989 Formula WS6
Engine: L03 305 TBI
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt; 3.42 Posi
Re: Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
Or put shock on it that match the shorter springs and never have to worry about it
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb168dICQAAKAA5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb168dICQAAKAA5.jpg
Re: Lowering Springs In, Rear Shocks Too Long?
It's not a big deal unless the springs are super short.
I have UMIs weight Jack's and they are 1in or so below the spring perch with the rear end hanging. if I go too crazy at the autocross, I can hear the rears clunk back into the perch.
The spring can't really fall out.
If your worried, you can bolt down the spring on one end so it won't go anywhere.
I have UMIs weight Jack's and they are 1in or so below the spring perch with the rear end hanging. if I go too crazy at the autocross, I can hear the rears clunk back into the perch.
The spring can't really fall out.
If your worried, you can bolt down the spring on one end so it won't go anywhere.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
The Project
Third Gen Association of Ontario
3
Nov 5, 2007 01:37 PM











