what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
I just got a 92 Camaro RS 305 TBI and I want to add some stuff to it so I can gain some horse. Its got flowmaster exhust 80 series but what else can I do thats reasonable and pretty easy to acomplish?
Thanx
Thanx
I am currently looking at this Holly StealthRam Intake manifold. Its not to expenive but it looks like i would ahve to do a lot of other things to my engine before I could install that. Anyone have any insight on that it would be of much help..
Thanx again
Thanx again
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From: Morris, IL
Car: '91 t-top RS; '91 hrdtp Z28
Engine: LO3;383tpi
Transmission: 700r4;very nice 700r4
Axle/Gears: 4.10 zt posi, 3.70 auburn
Use the search key. This website alone has numerous mods that can be done.
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From: Morris, IL
Car: '91 t-top RS; '91 hrdtp Z28
Engine: LO3;383tpi
Transmission: 700r4;very nice 700r4
Axle/Gears: 4.10 zt posi, 3.70 auburn
Well, you're doing the right thing by starting with the exhaust. Do the ultimate TBI mods and open element air cleaner. As far as intakes go, I recommend again to do a search, as the topic has been covered a thousand times. Best of luck with your finds.
i suggest - 1)open element mod its in the tech articles very easy
2)3 inch cat back exhaust ditch the muffler(get hooker)
3)lower temp switch our cars run ****ty hot, check out http://www.thunderracing.com/ they have lots of good stuff
4)3.42 gears, posi(slponline.com) get the zexel diff
5)headers(slp makes the best)
After all this ull have about 30-40 more hp and some nice gearing help the added horsepower
well this is what i plan on doing to my new stock rs since my other 89 got totaled
2)3 inch cat back exhaust ditch the muffler(get hooker)
3)lower temp switch our cars run ****ty hot, check out http://www.thunderracing.com/ they have lots of good stuff
4)3.42 gears, posi(slponline.com) get the zexel diff
5)headers(slp makes the best)
After all this ull have about 30-40 more hp and some nice gearing help the added horsepower
well this is what i plan on doing to my new stock rs since my other 89 got totaled port brother port!
You can add another 30-40 rw ponies with a moderate porting job and gasket matching your intake runners to your head. Cheap I tell ya cheap! Alls you do is grind all that junk and you're good to go.
While yer at it, I'd have the heads serviced and go bigger on the intake valves and a 3 angle job.......endless smiles hometown, I'm serious.
(FORGOT) 40% of the engine's power output,if not more, comes from the cylinder head(s). How well they breath and how quick they dispense the gasses is THE REAL DEAL. Allow them bad mothafoa's to breath and if you're EFI(i'm glad i went EFI, the driving is unreal compared to a carb), intake AND exhaust(especially if you gots a turbo) runners gotta be smooth as glass bra's.....
Summit or you local hot rod store should have a Porting kit. Runs around $18. If ya have a high speed drill you're good to go. Otherwise a dremel will work just fine. An afternoon of hard work and presto-BAM! BAM!
CHEVYTOWN
While yer at it, I'd have the heads serviced and go bigger on the intake valves and a 3 angle job.......endless smiles hometown, I'm serious.
(FORGOT) 40% of the engine's power output,if not more, comes from the cylinder head(s). How well they breath and how quick they dispense the gasses is THE REAL DEAL. Allow them bad mothafoa's to breath and if you're EFI(i'm glad i went EFI, the driving is unreal compared to a carb), intake AND exhaust(especially if you gots a turbo) runners gotta be smooth as glass bra's.....
Summit or you local hot rod store should have a Porting kit. Runs around $18. If ya have a high speed drill you're good to go. Otherwise a dremel will work just fine. An afternoon of hard work and presto-BAM! BAM!
CHEVYTOWN
Last edited by CHEVYTOWN; Aug 7, 2002 at 01:28 PM.
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Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
ok here is what i have done
i have raced an lt1 with cold air= i beat him by 3 carlinks
its nothing radical but i started with..
1. made a cold air kit myself and bought a k and n cone filter
2. i then put headers
3. removed smog pump and cat
4. bought and electric water pump- 15 horses easy
5. installed a pulley kit
6. 3 inch cat back (not flowmaster= bad flow)
7.then pull a rear end out of an automatic trans am or camaro
8. chip
9.msd coil
10. header wrap
11. lower thermostat
12.tbi spacer
13. ik this is an expensive one but find a 700r4 with a shift kit, and buy a stall converter for it. this will really lower your quarter mile time
14. ultimate tbi mods
i have raced an lt1 with cold air= i beat him by 3 carlinks
its nothing radical but i started with..
1. made a cold air kit myself and bought a k and n cone filter
2. i then put headers
3. removed smog pump and cat
4. bought and electric water pump- 15 horses easy
5. installed a pulley kit
6. 3 inch cat back (not flowmaster= bad flow)
7.then pull a rear end out of an automatic trans am or camaro
8. chip
9.msd coil
10. header wrap
11. lower thermostat
12.tbi spacer
13. ik this is an expensive one but find a 700r4 with a shift kit, and buy a stall converter for it. this will really lower your quarter mile time
14. ultimate tbi mods
Last edited by kalebm22; Dec 19, 2007 at 01:03 AM. Reason: forgot tbi mods
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From: Buckhannon, WV
Car: 84' Monte
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700-r4
Axle/Gears: ferd 9" posi 3.50 gears
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
If you think a HSR is cheap and easy you've just ripped the top off the mod bin.......The HSR will run enough $$$$ to do a rebuilt 350 with some mods, the work involved with switching from TBI injection to a multi-port injection setup is the equivalent of open heart surgery.
The cheapest and quickest way to add power is to learn to burn your own chips ($150) and then swap out the cam ($250). You can gain upwards of 40-60 hp with a good tune. This won't be a balanced combo but every mod you make from here on out will unlock lots of power. To balance the combo you need headers, intake and all the little knick knacks.
The cheapest and quickest way to add power is to learn to burn your own chips ($150) and then swap out the cam ($250). You can gain upwards of 40-60 hp with a good tune. This won't be a balanced combo but every mod you make from here on out will unlock lots of power. To balance the combo you need headers, intake and all the little knick knacks.
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From: Rhode Island
Car: '87 S10 Blazer & '91 RS
Engine: L98 & L03
Transmission: 700R4 & T5
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt/3.73/3.42
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
agreed. im in the process of picking up an LT1 cam and a set of 081s that i will do i little bowl work to. gonna port match the intake, grind the TBI, and shoot for 14's. hoping santa drops an autoprom off for me this year.
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From: Casselberry, FLA
Car: 88 V6 'bird/89TBI bird/85 T/A
Engine: 2.8/TBI/TPI
Transmission: V8 T-5/700R4 x2
Axle/Gears: 3.42 open/2.73 open/ 3.27 9 bolt
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
1. Gain the most from your cat-back possible; DUMP THE CAT-FORWARD! Your manifolds and y-pipe are possibly THE MOST RESTRICTIVE EVER MADE BY CHEVY! I know, it's hard to believe, but it's true. Even manifolds and a y-pipe from a TPI car make a DRIVEABLE DIFFERENCE. Anyway, headers, y-pipe and high flow cat will do you nicely.
2. Next, you need good flowing, upgradeable heads. You can port the crap out of your heads but you can't re-use them for a 350 in the future. Some day you may want to upgrade. On a budget, you need a set of 87-up LG4 carb heads or 5.0 liter TPI heads with 1.94 intake valves and a little port work. You will think you put another engine in your car.
3. Your cam just flat sucks. No two ways around that one. Again, even a stock TPI cam is a HUGE upgrade. I think the LT1 cam works great, but an L98 cam is good, too. Your computer will still be happy with one of those cams. Your cam is so small everybody here calls it the "peanut" cam...
4. Drop the tank and put in a TPI or later Vortech fuel pump. Your stock fuel pressure regulator will take the extra flow and pressure just fine and your engine will run better.
After you've done all this, THEN you'll be ready to talk about 670 cfm throttle bodies, 2" throttle bores, and aftermarket intakes.
And then you'll be ready to burn your own chips and go nuts!
Good luck!
2. Next, you need good flowing, upgradeable heads. You can port the crap out of your heads but you can't re-use them for a 350 in the future. Some day you may want to upgrade. On a budget, you need a set of 87-up LG4 carb heads or 5.0 liter TPI heads with 1.94 intake valves and a little port work. You will think you put another engine in your car.
3. Your cam just flat sucks. No two ways around that one. Again, even a stock TPI cam is a HUGE upgrade. I think the LT1 cam works great, but an L98 cam is good, too. Your computer will still be happy with one of those cams. Your cam is so small everybody here calls it the "peanut" cam...
4. Drop the tank and put in a TPI or later Vortech fuel pump. Your stock fuel pressure regulator will take the extra flow and pressure just fine and your engine will run better.
After you've done all this, THEN you'll be ready to talk about 670 cfm throttle bodies, 2" throttle bores, and aftermarket intakes.
And then you'll be ready to burn your own chips and go nuts!
Good luck!
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From: Casselberry, FLA
Car: 88 V6 'bird/89TBI bird/85 T/A
Engine: 2.8/TBI/TPI
Transmission: V8 T-5/700R4 x2
Axle/Gears: 3.42 open/2.73 open/ 3.27 9 bolt
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
LET'S SEE SOME ACTUAL TRACK TIMES - THEN YOU CAN BASH! I don't give a damn about flow numbers; I'm not an engineer (and neither are you) so let's see a time slip from the track!
I haven't seen a nickel's worth of difference at the 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile to tell me that flowmaster flows so bad you shouldn't run it. I have not seen anyone ditch a flowmaster and then gain a half a second by running hooker, borla, or anything else.
I understand that some people don't like the sound or the fact that they are popular. That's fine. What's that got to do with performance?
So? No flow numbers, I want real track testing to prove that flowmaster sucks.
Anybody got any REAL proof?
Sorry about the rant; I'll post this in the exhaust section...
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From: Buckhannon, WV
Car: 84' Monte
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700-r4
Axle/Gears: ferd 9" posi 3.50 gears
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
Kris I think you may have things a bit backwards, anything that adds more than 15 or 20 hp is going to REQUIRE tuning to even be drivable, it's just the nature of the beast. Just about any cam bigger than stock will throw the ECM for a loop, with DIY tuning you can pretty much run any cam in the book.
Tuning truly is the key, as a rule I won't even mod a vehicle unless I have some control of the ECM.
Tuning truly is the key, as a rule I won't even mod a vehicle unless I have some control of the ECM.
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Car: 1987 IROC-Z
Engine: TPIS II Supercharged w/Nitrous
Transmission: 700R4 Probuilt
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Richmond 12 Bolt
Re: port brother port!
Allow them bad mothafoa's to breath and if you're EFI(i'm glad i went EFI, the driving is unreal compared to a carb), intake AND exhaust(especially if you gots a turbo) runners gotta be smooth as glass bra's.....
Summit or you local hot rod store should have a Porting kit. Runs around $18. If ya have a high speed drill you're good to go. Otherwise a dremel will work just fine. An afternoon of hard work and presto-BAM! BAM!
CHEVYTOWN
Summit or you local hot rod store should have a Porting kit. Runs around $18. If ya have a high speed drill you're good to go. Otherwise a dremel will work just fine. An afternoon of hard work and presto-BAM! BAM!
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From: Casselberry, FLA
Car: 88 V6 'bird/89TBI bird/85 T/A
Engine: 2.8/TBI/TPI
Transmission: V8 T-5/700R4 x2
Axle/Gears: 3.42 open/2.73 open/ 3.27 9 bolt
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
Kris I think you may have things a bit backwards, anything that adds more than 15 or 20 hp is going to REQUIRE tuning to even be drivable, it's just the nature of the beast. Just about any cam bigger than stock will throw the ECM for a loop, with DIY tuning you can pretty much run any cam in the book.
Tuning truly is the key, as a rule I won't even mod a vehicle unless I have some control of the ECM.
Tuning truly is the key, as a rule I won't even mod a vehicle unless I have some control of the ECM.
My experience is mostly on a strict budget, with lots of used parts. I ran the above mentioned setup on a stock chip in a 90 Firebird with a 5 speed. We started with a 305 and ended up with a TBI 400 - which we paid way too much to have tuned back in the mid 90's.
The 305 got all of the mods mentioned because we were hitting the late model wrecking yards, hunting down parts. It ran pretty good with the stock ECM, but not perfectly efficient, I'm sure. It ran better with a crap 69 dollar ADS super chip! We didn't have it REALLY tuned until we were running a 400 with L98 heads - but that's another story!
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
You know, I get tired of hearing people bash flowmasters. I run them and I think they are just fine.
LET'S SEE SOME ACTUAL TRACK TIMES - THEN YOU CAN BASH! I don't give a damn about flow numbers; I'm not an engineer (and neither are you) so let's see a time slip from the track!
LET'S SEE SOME ACTUAL TRACK TIMES - THEN YOU CAN BASH! I don't give a damn about flow numbers; I'm not an engineer (and neither are you) so let's see a time slip from the track!
EDIT: Here's the link, look at post #15:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exhaust/224858-muffler-use-poll.html
OEM mufflers (up to about the mid 90's) flow about 225-250cfm.
Flowmasters do actually flow in the range of about 350-400cfm.
Magnaflows flow around 650-850.
Borla XR1 flows 800-1000+.
Race mufflers flow 1000-2000+ cfm depending on model and size.
The difference you won't notice at the track, but maybe on the street, is that open chambered mufflers act like you're reaching the end of the pipe. So in essence, where ever you put a flowmaster, your exhaust feels like it's having a cut-out at that point. Your exhaust really doesn't "feel" anything after the muffler. As we know, cut-outs are generally good for moving your powerband up, which gives you better performance on the track, but you might lose some low-end torque.
Glasspack type mufflers like Magnaflows and Borlas act differently. They act like just a piece of pipe with a slight restriction in it. Therefore, when you put on a glasspack muffler, your exhaust acts like the full length of your exhaust, from the manifold to your tips. Having a much longer length of exhaust results in lowering your powerband, better for the street, not so much on the track.
This is why you might not notice much of a difference in the 1/8th or 1/4 mile with an open chambered muffler vs a glasspack. Because although the open chambered muffler maybe (probably) doesn't flow as well as the glasspack, it acts more like a cut-out, resulting in better high-end power, giving you a better track time.
Here's a couple of great articles about tuned lengths and exhaust dynamics.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...-you-ever.html
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...exh/index.html
The article at popularhotrodding.com is a long, but VERY informative article about EVERYTHING in a performance exhaust.
This is a diagram showing what I was describing about how your muffler acts. It's also in the popularhotrodding article...
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng.../photo_13.html
Edit: I am not bashing flowmasters. They do sound good, and for their purpose there's nothing wrong with them. I just personally wouldn't put them on a 300+hp engine.
Last edited by discostu; Dec 21, 2007 at 09:41 PM.
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Car: 84' Monte
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700-r4
Axle/Gears: ferd 9" posi 3.50 gears
Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
There are guys who have swaped in LT1 cams which are about as mild as you can get and not been able to make it to the gas station because it ran so bad. So in my mind you can't even get 5% out of your mods if the car is undrivable.
Tuning is trully the key with any form of FI.
Tuning is trully the key with any form of FI.
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Re: what is the cheapest and most effective way to gain HP
ok so if i have a '91 L03 in my carand another car that i have has a blown(bad rod?)'85 l98 what can i take off this engine to put on my car for more performance? cam? heads? do i need to reprogram my computer?
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