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nuff said


stay tuned for improved times next saturday.

 

Hey Pablo, Whats up with the dates on those time slips?

Steve

 

hmmm, 1993 eh?

 

If i was trying to lie to you do you think I would be dumb enough to put up timeslips from ten years ago, when i was 14 years old and lived on the east coast?


Those were from today, carlsbad raceway in southern california. I dont know why the dates are wrong but they are, the track isnt the tightest ship out there, pretty much the only thing paved is the track (if you can call it that) and the return road. If you really dont believe they are real then maybe look into the timing system they use. Ill bet it wasnt around in 1993. I would also bet that they would have had atleast ONE drag event between february and november (see top of slip where it says next event nov. 30)

 

Good times.

Last time I went to the strip, the timeslips said it was Novemeber, and it was August.

Apparently that stuff happens all the time, especially on a T&T day!

Bill

 

good.... now lets see how well it does with the tbi back on it.

 

Nice times. How much does the car weigh with driver?

 

i estimate about 3270 with driver.. maybe less

(i weighed it back when i was near stock and have weighed the items that i have changed or replaced for lighter ones individually.. still need to get it weighed alltogether)

 

can you post you mods again please so i will know what all your running... i know you ran carb this time right???

 

thats what i would like to see. outstanding pablo! my dad would never believe it. a 305/310 na running low 13s. could you post your mods so i can rub'em in his face. he thinks its impossible for a na 305 to run fast. he says the day my maro out runs his 300hp northstar caddy(bad *** car!) that hell give me the caddy.

 

hide a couple of sneakypeat nos bottles and blow him away!!!

 

trust me, he will go over my car with a fine tooth comb. i have to do it na. but i am gonna spray her someday.

 

13's with a 305 should be easily doable.

really to run a 13.99 doesn't take all that much HP and let me tell you weight reduction and suspension mods make up for lack of HP very easily.

i'm really hopeing my TBI combo is 13sec rance, even with my heavy car its all in choosing parts that work together, and not just throwing parts on.

 

basically top to bottom its
89 firebird
305 .030 over, unknown mileage, big cheap dished pistons.
SSI flat tappet camshaft 214/224 w/ 1.6 summit brand roller rockers .474/.498
K motion valve springs
416 cyl heads with stock valves, 3 angle valve job, back cut valves. Full porting by myself.
heads milled .020-.030? dont know for sure, head chamber CC is 51 cc's
felpro 1094 .015 steel shim head gasket
about 10:1 compression
Milodon crankshaft wiper
Edelbrock Torker II single plane intake
Edelbrock 1405 600cfm carburetor with choke removed, lighter secondary air valve.
7747 computer running the spark, cheap *** accel ignition coil
Edelbrock headers for L98, full 3" edelbrock exhaust
non WC T5 tranny
3.42 rear with powertrax locker
solid mount torque arm ala Tom400cfi
Spohn LCA lowering brackets
Comp engineering aluminum lca bushings
Air Ride Air bags
Nitto Drag Radials
No front sway bar
battery relocation to the rear
no front crash beam
no rear seats
no AC
alot more No's that ill spare you


I actually believe the car will be running low 13s with a few changes. Namely gearing and a good launch. The car hooks hard but the carburetor is lacking in pump shot volume which is a simple fix accomplished with a drill bit. This is the big reason my 60 foots are terrible. It would hook and then if i stomped on it it would bog big time (major lean condition on my WBo2 sensor)
its also causing me to go a bit lean on the gear shifts when i lay into the gas after the clutch.

The gearing is also way off, with 3.42s im crossing the line at way too high of an rpm but its not quite enough distance to shift into fourth gear. 4.10s would probably be about perfect but it would kill the cars driveability. Its my driver (i dont drive to work though so not daily) so Id ideally need a t56 tranny to run the 4.10s id like.

with both of those issues adjusted for I dont think low 13s are out of the question. Heck, GMHTP ran like a 13.0 at about 100 mph and I am near 103.. easily 103+ if i wasnt just coasting across the line at 6300 rpm.

 

btw isnt it odd that when i posted some Gtech times everyone and their brother was out in force to talk smack on me and my combo yet when I back it up with timeslips no one says a thing? lol

 

well, no one should talk smack about your Gtech times anymore.

 

I like your torque arm mod too! Good job w/the 305 though. It's nice to see those results.

 

I hate you you guys with manuals I want a manual trans... My car would be so much faster with a manual that didnt take two friggin seconds to complete a shift like my auto does. I should probably take a hint from my 9-bolt, though. Spent years in a 1LE L98 car getting the crap beat out of it and it still runs wisper quiet. Stick it in my car and after about 20 mins. of my driving the backlash opens up and it starts to whine. Id probably blow a WC to pieces in a matter of seconds.

 

your best 60 was a high 2.2 with drag radials? You need to work on that launch and I agree you need better gearing too. I think if you got that 60 down below the 2's, which shouldn't be hard with drag radials and a set of gears you could pull a mid to low 13 with some really good weather, but before you do any of that, you need to put the tbi back on.

 

That's an easy fix, don't lift for the shift

RBob.

 

Hehehe, I would do that but im pretty sure if i tried that it would be followed by a loud BOOM as my 1983 T5 blew apart all over the track


and like i said 25thrss, its not a traction issue.. the car hooks like a sumbitch, it just needs more pump shot volume. It will book the first thirty feet and then just die as i completely lay into it.

As a little update to the tbi issue, im having the shaft machined down opposite of the flat side by .050, possibly more away from the screw holes, Im also countersinking the holes for the blade screws .040 (the blade is .091 thick) im also going to knife edge it. This should help out with the flow some but its still going to be weak guys. Probably still shy of 500 cfm at 1.5inhg. Im almost wondering if i should waste my time with it.

 

Good time, good times...

TOO BAD THEY'RE FAKE!!!
lol, j/k


Man i wish my car was running and i could go to the track

 

naysayers be damned! and whats up with your car brody...

 

I screwed up. It started running a little rough and I thought WTF. Drove it easy to a parking lot about 5 miles away and popped the hood, listened to it for a second and could tell it was a loose rocker. Didn't sound to bad so I drove it 20 miles down the freeway home. First time I slowed down it's running real rough and smoking so (clicking got louder also) I stopped at a nearby Autozone parking lot. Popped valve cover, broken pushrod, messed up rocker, messed up the top of the valve stem, and the keepers.

 

d@#n dude, sorry.

 

at least the spring didn't break, that would have been disasterous.

 

That was the story of my life before i got the heads properly machined. I would change springs and pushrods like you change oil. When i broke a rocker arm I finally decided to pull the head and fix it

 

My car bogs real bad though about 40 feet also resulting in ~2.3 60's with perfect traction, well at least the last time at the track. Finally got some fuel going into it now but its too bunk to drive now. Always something aint it?

It'll be interesting to see what efi does on your car again.

 

Hate to ask you here, but I know you are gonna check this. That is the second time that nut has come loose. Why???

 

Hey Brody, what you get put on probation for?

 

Being a certified crack-*****...

Naw LOL, just "speed contest" AKA street racing. Got caught in the end of August right before the stricter racing laws went in to effect September 1.

 

hahah thats awesome dude, we could probably hang out. Only difference is I havent been caught yet A few close ones and one REAL close one but we wont get into detail about that here lol. Ive mellowed out as of late though.

As for your nut coming loose, you might want to check into a pair of briefs. More supportive hehe
actually I dont know about your particular situation but i noticed on my car that the threads had like a tighter fit as the nut on the stud went further down the way.
Originally the stock nuts worked fine on my stamped rockers. Then i installed my roller rockers and the trunion is much thicker so the nut barely goes on and its real loose almost can be turned with a finger. Luckily my rockers were locking so i locked them down but not before I realized just how quickly they could get loose without locking them down all the way. THey got loose as i set the valve lash!

Ill bet the rockers you have are thicker than stock and you are on the loose part of the threads or maybe your studs are just all loose. Id invest in some locknuts if i were you.

 

Why are you posting this in the TBI forum if you are running a carb?

 

I was just the opposite. Right before I got that ticket I was donig crazy stuff. I wouldn't call it dangerous, but stupid for sure. For instance doing a smokey burnout in a busy crowded intersection right after rush hour. The rear-end wasn't sliding around so I don't think anybody was in danger, but it was still stupid. People were honking at me and looking at me for miles down the road...

LMFAO
Thanks, different heads might be going on though, smoggers are literally killing me...
Ya need to get caught up, and I don't feel like explaining it sorry....
Search a couple of his last threads on this board.

 

Tap the taperperd end of the nut with a hammer a few(2 maybe 3) times. It will restore the selflocking. I do it every time I take one off. Best to get the double locking type though(with the allen head in the middle). Just a quick fix, Bobby

 

I'll try that, thanks.

 

i must be missing somthing.


if hes running a carb, why are 13 sec times amazing?

 

Cause he's running a 305, he's granny shifting, and his 60' time is terrible.

Witha good launch, he'd be at ~13.4 Throw in some powershifting, and he'd be solidly in the LOW 13's. Oh, and he's spent very little. It's not earth shattering, but he's doing better 99% of the people on this board.

 

Oh, I know the entire story Juniormint and my question is simple yet still unanswered.

And what will he be running with TBI?

ok, WHY is this in the TBI forum again?

 

Look he aint going to stop posting in TBI so i say give up lol...

 

Ill bet rancid doesnt like me from some previous incident

oh and btw when i wrote locknuts above i meant "double locking" (little allen head in the center)

btw thanks tom for the compliment and for the torque arm idea

 

Don't flatter yourself, PABLO. I have no dislike for you.

Hey, do you happen to remember XOOM.com chat?

 

If thats what I think it is, that was way back and you are someone that used to go by a different name but for some resaon needs to hide his identity Gee i wonder who?! lol actually I dont give a rats ***, probably just another message board filler that knocked my combo back in the day.

 

Your engine combo still leaves much to be desired but at least you've realized it was time to finally give up on TBI.

You will still see my tailights though. That much is for sure.

Good luck catching up!

 

Carb or TBI aside, it's nice to finally see some times on this board rather than 30 posts saying "What do you think I'd run with ___" and people answering with "In theory _____" rather than factual evidence. We need to move forward as a community and lately that hasn't been happening, so seeing what actually can be done with a 305 is nice to see. If/When Pablo swaps back to TBI, we can actually see what the E/T / Power difference is between the two. Factual evidence is good

 

Good job Pablo, I haven't seen you post in a long time, good to see you back.. and if you been back for a while sorry I haven't been browsing much until recently

 

bwahaha name some N/A 305s with faster trap speeds you ****ing ignoramous... you are nothing but just another little bitch who's predictions were proven rediculously wrong. I guess its time for more research there billy ray! Head back to wallmart and pick up some magazines lol. As for seeing your taillights, congrats, your medal is in the mail! I say we just cut to the chase and compare savings accounts or dick size lol


as for tbi thirdgen content, Im not sure ill be heading out to the track tomorrow. I just got done working a 13 hour day solid and was just told that I was gonna have to come in tomorrow too. I might just take this weekend as an opportunity to tune in the throttle body setup if i can get my logging equiptment set up.

 

Once again congratulations on posting the times of your carbed thirdgen on the TBI forum. Way to go!

 

i can only wish that my car will run 13s someday. with the exception of not running his tbi, what exactly is his combo lacking? being a 305/310 and all. it obviously makes good power, so what is lacking? while PABLO and i have a slightly checkered past, i myself cannot say anything bad about his work. the man obviously knows what hes doing. wait, i know whats its lacking- a holley carb instead of that damn edelbrock. lol im half kidding

 

Pablo put the tbi back on and come back. Have a nice day!