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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 01:45 AM
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making a TBI to Carb plate, 2 bores or all open?

like it says, i hear when the centers cut out, the engine can draw air from either side when the engine needs more for one side on a dual plane, what all would this do? if anything at all?
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 09:18 AM
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You're splitting hairs. I'd be more concerned about giving the TB gasket adequate support underneath at all points so it can take a crush and stay put. Don't leave the gasket out to "flap around in the breeze" unsupported at any point.
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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I agree with damon, it would be splitting hairs on a mild engine. If you want, you can notch it out between the bores and cut the gasket to match. If you flip the tbi over, you can see the critical areas around teh perimeter of the base that have to have good contact in order to seal.
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 04:41 PM
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For a street motor, you want to leave the cylinder banks separated - i.e. no cross talk between banks. This cross talk can disrupt air flow and cause weird intake pulses at the wrong time thus killing low speed performance. Much the same way as an open plenun carb intake is not suited for street use.
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 09:14 PM
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It really depends on your engines power range.

On Edelbrock RPM intakes, the divider plate is actually dropped below the carb mount, thus creating a cross over. The regular performer on the other hand has the divider sitting flush with the carb mount.

I opened my adapter plate up when I was running the holley 670 on my old 383, and it made for a SOTP improvement. BUT I was running a comp cams w/ .510" lift, so it pulled a few rpms higher than a stock lo3
If I can find the adapter, I will take pictures. BTW, as long as you don't go to far, it will work fine.
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by zeb1999
For a street motor, you want to leave the cylinder banks separated - i.e. no cross talk between banks. This cross talk can disrupt air flow and cause weird intake pulses at the wrong time thus killing low speed performance. Much the same way as an open plenun carb intake is not suited for street use.
A TBI system is not susceptible to this problem. This is true for carb applications only. Single plane intakes are pretty good matches for TBI set-ups.
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
A TBI system is not susceptible to this problem. This is true for carb applications only. Single plane intakes are pretty good matches for TBI set-ups.
How so? There's still air bouncing back off the valves, carb or TBI
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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How so? There's still air bouncing back off the valves, carb or TBI
Refer to these threads here

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...e+plain+intake

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...e+plain+intake
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 04:04 AM
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I ran this on my old 383. It was definetely worth an improvement, and helped the 383 breath a little better with the 670 tbi. Combined with the edelbrock rpm air gap, there is roughly 1" to an 1 1/4" of plenum until the divider plate comes into play. Given the still limited choices of intakes (including streetable single planes) for the vortec style head design, this is a solid route to go.
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Old Aug 31, 2005 | 04:05 AM
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from the underside...
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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 12:18 AM
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thats how i ended up making mine,
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Old Sep 4, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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I took my adapter from an 89 Chevy 454 pickup truck
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Old Sep 4, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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That adapter came stock on chevy trucks?

Bill
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