hey guys look in HISTORY/RESTORATION
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hey guys look in HISTORY/RESTORATION
Let the damn board wars begin again I say.
Look in the thread "4 cylinder camaros".
Basically this is what I had to say...
Drew
You may be a moderator, but you are at least 50% ignorant to spout misinformed opinions about TBI cars.
Do i have a vested interest in helping to be a voice of reason in an otherwise ignorant mass of people on Thridge.org becuase I own a TBI car? Oh hell yeah I do.
Allright drew lets talk numbers since that is all you will basically understand.
Stock 1988 LB9 Auto vs Stock 1988 LO3 Auto ...
88 IROC A4 LO3 5.0 (305) V8 TBI
CR=9.3:1 HP=170@4000 TQ=255@2400
5spdrear=3.08 ATrear=2.73
88 IROC A4 LB9 5.0 (305) V8 TPI
CR=9.3:1 HP=195@4000 TQ=295@2800
5spdrear=3.23 ATrear=2.73
A whopping 20HP and 40ftlbTQ differnece.
Oh my god, i feel so cheated!
Now, lets see was it a level playing field
other than the intake, computer, and fuel mgmt system? Well ...
every 88/89 TPI car i have seen has had a different exhaust manifold (sort of log shaped vs TBI's puny old 4 downturned tubes not to mention a larger Ypipe and different cat converter mountings). Even you attest to the fact that some factory exhaust are less restrictive.
The TPI cars had a different head than TBI cars. All 87-92 TPI LB9 cars had casting 14101081 heads. 87-91 TBI cars got the 14102187 Swirl Port Head which has a large vane in the middle of the intake tract to reduce flow and induce swirl (brilliant GM!)
except for a few TBI cars that got 10159553casting heads.
Oh and the computer also comes into play with a more aggressive advance curve and a different static advance of 0* for TBI and +4* for TPI.
Drew, it is possible maybe that you are opinionated only. Maybe you are really well versed and knew all these facts and more. but basically what I see in your post above is at best an intelligent man repeating an ignorant opinion.
Oh well, just though i would put that damn Dale Carnegie course "How to Win Friends and Influence People" to good use (after all these years I STILL feel they were idiots for kicking me out of the class (the honorary graduate certificate proves it.
Mike)
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1988 Camaro Sport Coupe305TBI-4spdAOD-2.73open in "bought stock" condition. That'll change if it stays around here much longer
Look in the thread "4 cylinder camaros".
Basically this is what I had to say...
Drew
You may be a moderator, but you are at least 50% ignorant to spout misinformed opinions about TBI cars.
Do i have a vested interest in helping to be a voice of reason in an otherwise ignorant mass of people on Thridge.org becuase I own a TBI car? Oh hell yeah I do.
Allright drew lets talk numbers since that is all you will basically understand.
Stock 1988 LB9 Auto vs Stock 1988 LO3 Auto ...
88 IROC A4 LO3 5.0 (305) V8 TBI
CR=9.3:1 HP=170@4000 TQ=255@2400
5spdrear=3.08 ATrear=2.73
88 IROC A4 LB9 5.0 (305) V8 TPI
CR=9.3:1 HP=195@4000 TQ=295@2800
5spdrear=3.23 ATrear=2.73
A whopping 20HP and 40ftlbTQ differnece.
Oh my god, i feel so cheated!
Now, lets see was it a level playing field
other than the intake, computer, and fuel mgmt system? Well ...
every 88/89 TPI car i have seen has had a different exhaust manifold (sort of log shaped vs TBI's puny old 4 downturned tubes not to mention a larger Ypipe and different cat converter mountings). Even you attest to the fact that some factory exhaust are less restrictive.
The TPI cars had a different head than TBI cars. All 87-92 TPI LB9 cars had casting 14101081 heads. 87-91 TBI cars got the 14102187 Swirl Port Head which has a large vane in the middle of the intake tract to reduce flow and induce swirl (brilliant GM!)
except for a few TBI cars that got 10159553casting heads.
Oh and the computer also comes into play with a more aggressive advance curve and a different static advance of 0* for TBI and +4* for TPI.
Drew, it is possible maybe that you are opinionated only. Maybe you are really well versed and knew all these facts and more. but basically what I see in your post above is at best an intelligent man repeating an ignorant opinion.
Oh well, just though i would put that damn Dale Carnegie course "How to Win Friends and Influence People" to good use (after all these years I STILL feel they were idiots for kicking me out of the class (the honorary graduate certificate proves it.
Mike)
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1988 Camaro Sport Coupe305TBI-4spdAOD-2.73open in "bought stock" condition. That'll change if it stays around here much longer
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