Wana? ok, go somewhere else.

Im just reminding everybody that this is labeled the tbi board, not so people can come here and ask what they should swap to from tbi, but because people here want to know how to IMPROVE their own tbi. Improve does not equal swapping.

So from now on, unless you are helping somebody logically with lots of information then telling them it might be easier to swap to carb. Instead of. TBI wont cut it on that motor, you need carb. Your post will be deleted.

Thanks, this is the tbi board, for tbi help

IM QUOTE FROM DIRK:

Dirk**** (1:16:05 PM): If they don't like TBI, they don't need to read the TBI board.

My thoughts exactly.

No more tbi bashing.

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If you want to swap to Carb or TPI I would suggest the tech article by jester for the carb swap and head on over to the TPI board if u want to swap to TPI. That will help a lot of people that way I think.

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But mine sux Snu!! just kidding But seriously, I totally agree. This board is for people who want to improve their TBI cars. I mean sure, you could drop in a TPI 305 or TPI 350 and be faster, you could drop in a carbed 305, 350, 383, 400 and be faster, you could drop in Blown 454 and go faster -- I think you catch my drift. People are trying to improve what they have - let em do it!!!

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I agree. This "TBI sucks" has got to stop. I'll set everybody in there place once I get my engine swapped in and some times. Hell, how could TBI suck if it's EFI. It's not like it's CFI .
How could TBI be all that bad is what I'd like to know? Just because it was offered on only the low output engines. Heck, I haven't seen too many posts on rebuilding our units. Also haven't heard too many people talking about failed injectors. Seems to me that if TBI was put on a HO engine it would have been thought of as a great induction system (which is it).
I too will delete threads that do nothing but bash TBI. It's stupid. I'm sure the admins on the TPI board don't want to hear about how carb is so much cheaper to get more hp etc.

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There's a 400hp CFI 350 Vette out there, just goes to show an intelligent person on a mission can accomplish anything. And lets face it, if you can do it on CFI it can be done better on TBI due to the ECM upgrades between the two.

It's about time I say something positive for a change.

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The posi unit breaker.

 

I think the fact you can find them on new vehicles up to 95 speaks a lot for TBI.

 

TBI sucks?

not at all

Carbs actually suck...it's a functional fact...

 

just to clear it up, since artic has no smileys. Hes talking physics, carbs suck fuel in. tbis inject.

 

Carb, CFI, TPI, TBI...

Actually they all suck. None of us have direct injection.

 

TBI's only suck if you don't know what you are doing and/or doing lots of mods that the ECU will wig-out... The same thing goes for carb/TPI/etc, too, though...

On a PRO-TBI aside, I watched some powerboat racing this weekend and saw a 12 cylinder Lambourghini 1600hp engine with a (sort of) TBI-similar setup on it. There were these large MPFI-ish injector rails way up high above the 12 individual velocity stacks. There were 12 injectors "hanging" from these rails spitting fuel directly into the stacks. It looked pretty cool, just wantd to let you know. TBI is ok by me. and some other MUCH higher hp guys, too...

 

You guys are correct. Let's see? There is a CARB board, TPI board and a TBI board! Maybe, just maybe if we tried real hard we could come up with a dumbass board for those who don't know where to comment!

 

Or that it took GM till 95 to come up with the Vortec replacement for it.

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ya and the crappy Vortec popet injection only lasted 3 years. TBI = 20 years. hmm... which one worked better for GM....

 

Hey Tas, you can still get the 350vortec in the GMC and Chevy vans, so I wouldn't killem just yet. At least on the V8 vortecs they put one injector per popit valve on them and used sequincial firing and not batch fire.

Long live TBI!!!!!!

 

this ain't the 70's they don't sell many vans anymore they pulled it from the millions of vehicles that are their bread an butter in only 3 years.

 

Hey, if life didn't revolve around money so much, we'd all be driving 400 horsepower water-fueled flying cars by now.

They'll probably use some sort of TBI setup too.

 

Well gee, carb's have worked great for over 70 years, why change those? Does that mean TBI, TPI, LT1, Vortec's all suck because there is the LS1 engine now?

 

ya stock carbs suck and LS1s are kicking *** all over

 

Hehehe, now there is the LS6.

 

ya so i dont think the logic of, everything under an ls6 is crap makes a scrap of sense

[This message has been edited by snflupigus (edited February 14, 2001).]

 

Sounds like a good way to filter out the pointless. Live on TbI

 

LoL, man you guys are to hardcore.

 

That was my point, but Tas seems to think that TBI is better because they used it for 20 years, while Vortec was used for 3 or 4 years. Nevermind that Vortec replaced TBI. And where did you 20 years? I thought TBI started in trucks in 87, and f-bodies in 88? And by this logic, does this mean TPI is better than LT1's? After all, TPI was used for 8 years and LT1 only 7.

 

here we go.

 

for all those with poor internet skills: = a joke

geeze

-Tas
'89 Formula WS.6

P.S. TBI started in the crossfire C3 'Vette.

 

i know that smokey

 

Has anyone been to thirdgenparts.com?
there's a get how-to on TBI-which I have and have been struggling with on how to cheaply improve my HP. I've been told it's easier/cheaper just to drop a 350 in my car...but I want to keep the stock block in it. Throw some suggestions at me please-I've the car for 3 years and its screaming for more.


92 RS
305 TBI
Dynomax Exhaust

(thats it!!) K

 

Kerry-

I had the same idea with my car. I looked into it: it's a no go. I looked into spending something close to $4000 get an intake, cam, headers, exhaust, heads, and gears on my 305 TBI installed. Then I found out that I would end up with a solid 250-275 hp. That would make me even with brand new mustangs. I don't know if you felt like I feel, but I would kill myself if I tried my hardest and got smoked by a rustang in second gear.
Then a guy on this board introduced the idea of a GM Crate 350 HO. You can get the whole thing installed with all the parts and everything high performance that you need for $3600. Doesn't that sound better? Besides, you'd be making at least 330 hp with just the engine, so you wouldn't have to worry about doing internal damage. I'd like to see a mustang besides the cobra stand up to a 330 HP third gen. Ha, it's not happening.
Hope this helps, I'm just looking out for you
Dave
92 Camaro RS

P.S. Moderators: I'm not ******* TBI, because I'm keeping the TBI set-up on my 350 HO, and I still feel that a regular 350 TPI cant mess with this.

 

That's what I'm screaming, enough TBI bashing we all know how it performs. Let's start bashing 305's, ... AGain, and again, and........!!