Yesterday was interesting. Normally in the dry, my car can spin its peg leg 2.73 for 2-4 seconds from a start. Someimes it even chirps the 1-2 gear shift if I select the rpm and throttle opening just right. But yesterday ... in the rain ... Jiminy!

Is it just my BFG Touring TA's or what? I had so much fun! The car would spin
first gear swapping right and left sides until the car speed caught up with the engine speed. Then when second shifted in, it was off to sheelspin nirvana again.

It has been a long time since I owned a V8.
I was amazed that I was only needing to use 3/4 throttle max to keep it spinning.

The tires are nicely round now. It smoothed out the flatspots I made testing the brake setup really nicely.

{8=) }8=) }8=P }8=O

 

Sounds like to me that your car has a transmission problem if u can get ur tires to break loose when shifting into 2nd gear. Or do u have a manual? And 2-4 seconds is a pretty long time for 2:73's and a 170hp engine. U outa to look into your tranny and see if it is going bad

 

ROTFLMAO

Yeah, I better get that thing looked at real soon. It is terrible when it gets the power to the ground like that.

It is good to see some people still have a sense of humor.

8)

 

LOL@91bird305

and you just wait till you swap out that cam and get some low gears you wont WANT to drive in the rain at all

 

I'm dreading the rain... At the first rain this year I'm going to grab a piece of 1" x 5" steel flat bar to put in the back of my car to put some weight over the rear wheels. Last year I would spin tires (okay, tire - singular) all the way through 2nd and most of the way through 3rd. It's fun at first, but when you try to accelerate from 50 to 65 and get nothing but wheelspin you tire of it real quick!

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Sounds like to me that your car has a transmission problem if u can get ur tires to break loose when shifting into 2nd gear. Or do u have a manual? And 2-4 seconds is a pretty long time for 2:73's and a 170hp engine. U outa to look into your tranny and see if it is going bad


Dont u just hate it when people underestimate ur ride....

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T Tops
richmond 3.73s
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tinted windows
Tail light blackouts
58000 origional one owner miles

 

LoL, underestimate! I have that engine. LoL. I should know what it is capable of! And getting the tires to spin for 4 seconds off the start on dry road is not what this engine does unless u mod it out big time and have some pizza cutters on there. Or is this some sort of joke that I didn't catch on to?


[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited September 20, 2000).]

 

well i can do it with a brand new tranny if i start out with a brake stand first

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Actually 91Bird305 is right. Mine started doing the same thing, and I was quite impressed with my 305TBI until my auto tranny went out. There was something wrong with the pressure causing it to kick pretty hard while tearing it up. The new 700-R4 is more realistic...no more hard shifts though
Tim
90 RS

 

I got hard shifts in mine now, but its because of the transgo. But seriously, I think when ur stock 700r4 starts breaking the tires loose when shifting your tranny is going bad.

 

You can't base tire chirping in 2nd on a bad tranny, there are many factors that can come into play such as how small your tires are compared to these other guys with 16" tires. Also what type of surface the street is that your chirping them on. Have you had your tranny's oil changed in a while? If so they may have overfilled it which would cause pressure buildup and excessive heat. If it's not slipping I wouldn't worry about it. If it wasn't shifting that hard before then I would call around to someone who rebuilds autos and who you can trust and see what they say or advise. Those autos don't last much past 80K...typically.

Don't add weight to the rear, these cars are already heavy enough as it is. Look at upgrading the rear suspension parts with high performance ones.

This is a fair warning, that one legger will hook up if it's slick enough and spin both tires and then you may be looking at where you just came from. The first week I had my auburn posi installed and went from 3.08 to 3.42 gears I had my car completley sideways in the road at 45 mph! The lower the tread the easier it will be to break both loose in the rain and that 1-2 shift is where it will do it at and scare the crap out of you. have fun! My 93 S-10 is bad about that b/c it's so light in the rear. My 83 camaro w/ a V6 would get loose in the rain on certain roads and scared me a couple of times until I learned to keep my foot out it...for a little while .

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(bought from my dad)

2000 GMC Sierra Regular Cab Stepside
285hp 5.3L w/ 3.42 gears and locking diff. (sold to my dad..no!!)

[This message has been edited by badbird88 (edited September 22, 2000).]

 

Yeah, I've spun/slid several times in the rain becasue of a hard 1-2 shift w/4:56 gears. (no, don't have 4.56's any more...)

 

4.56's !!! Holy crap, I hate to have seen your gas mileage and the rpm's you were turning just running down the road at 55mph. Did you put them in there for 1/8 mile racing or something? I bet you did spin a lot!

 

Wasn't as bad as you think. That was in my 72 chevelle w/TH700 & 2100 stall/lockup. THink I had 28" tall Mickey T's on it w/posi and was at about 2600rpm at 60-65 or so... a couple of years ago, can't remember. All I know is that when I was doing 65 on the highway and someone pissed me off and I punched it, it would kick-down to 3rd gear (about3750rpm) and I was right in the meat of my power band! (234/244 cam, like Edel RPM but I think it was a Manley?) I would pull so hard and so fast that it shoulda been illegal. 72 Chevelle's don't stop or turn worth a darn, mind you. No, never ran on the strip with that car, but that's ok. Woulda run high 10's, I guess... (Holley carb, not TBI, 350, 10:1, "fuely" heads...)

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[This message has been edited by FastBroker (edited September 22, 2000).]

 

High 10's....might be pushin bub.
I am pretty sure its your tranny man. I don't care what badbird said about ur tires. if your tranny never did it before and now it all of a sudden startin to do it and you didn't mess with anything then I would bet that you will find the problem in the transmission. Probably just needs a rebuild. I have to get my 105K 700r4 rebuilt but not because its going bad, in fact I have never had a problem with it and I have a shift kit in it. I have to get it rebuilt for a different engine, since the stock 700r4 won't be able to stand up to the hp and torque. I have talked to people that have had their 700r4's rebuilt and they said its a great project and its worth every penny. So if I was you, I would go ahead and have some transmission shop bullet proof that bad boy. Then get yourself a 350!

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited September 26, 2000).]

 

I still think it would have done high tens, man... 4.56 gears are 4.56 gears... and w/TH700 3.06 first gear, OUCH, it was fast!

[This message has been edited by FastBroker (edited September 26, 2000).]

 

maybe...but just cause its high gears doesn't mean it will push through the 1/4 like no other. But we will never know and probably not really care in the future. I really like Chevelle's, guy down the road has one that he works on sometimes. He passes by the house when I am working on mine and I can hear him a mile away. LoL

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On dry pavement I have to take my car up to 4500 to get the tires to chirp going to second, and then it only does it every once in a while. It's got 2.73's and the original L03 in it. But it also has the 245 50 16's too.

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Ahh crap I did it again. Sorry for bringing old stuff to the top.

[This message has been edited by Keith5 (edited March 11, 2001).]

 

LOL, no wonder I didn't remember replying to this... It's only been half a year!

 

I was thinking the same thing, when was this posted?...lol
There is a problem when the stock tranny chirps the wheels in dry weather. I hate driving my car in the rain for that exact reason. I get all over the place even with my peg leg.
Just a side note: This summer in dry weather and 245 meats I could spin the "tire" for 5 seconds without using the brakes and without being on an incline. I love the 3" exhaust .

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in my 91 RS LO3 i've spun them for 3 seconds in reverse w/ 2.73's (on blacktop by the way)
then for 4 seconds going forward...and i dont have the "pizza cutters" either...they're 245's....also when i was younger(same car) my dad worked at a hospital and the have this one way road(balcktop again) that's about 1/8 mile long, it was raining and he nailed it when he got the car straight and we spun both(non locker) the whole eighth mile into the parking lot...we got some looks

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I didn't say I couldn't spin good in first. I never do it, well a few times, but it would if I tried.

I don't have any trouble driving in the rain at all, but I can barely move the thing around the yard in snow.

 

Oh hell here we go again. 91bird305 typing his ****. You don't have a trans problem, if you think it is shifting wrong then adjust your tv cable. But more than likely it is just like all the rest i have seen. Most of the time you can get it to bark them going in to second with a 700r4. It also depends on the tires. I had snow tires on my car when i got it and i could break loose when it shifted to second. I got my vipers on it and i barely get a chirp. In the rain i can break loose anytime i want.

[This message has been edited by bullfrawg (edited March 13, 2001).]

 

I don't give a f-ck anymore. Now all u can brag about how u can get ur tires to spin in the rain, wow, I can do that with my moms f-cking minivan. Wow, they should put your LO3 with ur car spinning the tires for 4 seconds on that new banner on thirdgen.org Talk to Dirk about it.
All I tried to do in the beginning was try and make it tech. I mean come on, if I made a thread about how I can get my tires to spin it would be closed in no time. LoL. Right Nic and J? In the beginning, I just thought that it was odd how a car that is stock that usually runs in the 1/4 mile around low to mid 16's can do that. And so did others. So thought maybe his tranny was going bad maybe. Thats all. Please stop me for trying to make it tech....instead lets brag about how we can get our tires to spin....dude that is sooooo cool.

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 14, 2001).]

 

Allright. This is back up again and it has gotten a bit munged up.

ORIGINALLY what I was saying can be boiled down to ... "it is fun to have a V8 again, the torque is fantastic except in the rain where it becomes VERY apparent how traction challenged our cars are"

Now, 91Bird don't take this wrong but at the time your tranny remark did nothing for me except put some really useless doubts in my head as to my tranny's health. If anyone takes time to play around with their car when driving it, you can feel it out pretty quick and find out that a first to second gear chirp can easily be done on most 305/700R4 cars with a little trick.

The 700R4 is designed NOT to chirp into second so you have to trick it. Click it into first and use 1/8 to 1/4 throttle to let the engine rev up to around 4300 rpm. Then click it into second. A bit of experimentation and you'll be able to do it every time. you have to trick the 700R4 into thinking you're not into the gas very hard so it will just drop right into second.

Six months later. About 40 or 50 chirps, around 5000 miles, and about 20 1/4 mile runs and my transmission is still together.

I just hope it stays together after I change the fluid and put in the corvette tranny parts.

Mike

PS
Hey Bird and everyone else. thanks for responding.
The thing that ticks me off the most about this car is how crappy the suspension is and how traction challenged they are. GM should have had a limited slip in every V8 car manufactured, and every manufacturer should get the balance right so the car can be driven safely in the snow.


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1988 Camaro Sport Coupe305TBI-4spdAOD-2.73open in "bought stock" condition. That'll change if it stays around here much longer mike.davis@firstunion.com

 

i tried it a few times, snaped my neck real hard but no chirp... 255/60/R15's on my car. stock 305. BUT in the morning, it chirps consistently all the time before it warms up. prolly the fluid viscosity (did i speel that one rite?) ill have to throw my old tires on it and try it (215/50/R15's).

 

I just put it into 2gear and hit the gas!!

 

i got a 5speed and i can leave rubber about 12 feet or so...lol...when i slam on brakes going 60

 

LMAO!

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just because mine runs rich doesnt mean i can afford a new tranny ;-)