Went to the track last Friday here are the results.

1st run: 14.81 @ 90mph
2nd run: 14.58 @ 92mph
3rd run: 14.49 @ 92mph

1991 FIREBIRD FORMULA WS6
305 TBI 5-SPEED
3.08:1 GEARS
245/50/16 GOODYEAR GATORBACKS
MODIFICATIONS:
5.0 HO DUAL SNORKEL AIR CLEANER
5.0 HO Y-PIPE
CATCO CATALYTIC CONVERTER
2 1/2 INTERMEDIATE
80 SERIES FLOWMASTER
DUAL 2 1/2 OUTLETS
JET STAGE II CHIP WITH NO FUEL SHUT OFF
180 T-STAT, LOW TEMP FAN SWITCH
MSD CAP, ROTOR, COIL, 8.5 WIRES
HOLLEY IGNITION MODULE
BOSCH PLATINUM +4 PLUGS
1LE TRANSMISSION MOUNT

 

wow seems pretty damn good to me.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

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How much do you weight? Nice times too

 

I have never weighed the car, The runs I made was with everything in the car, yes even the spare after all I am driving on 10 year old tires who knows when one will blow.

 

Did you happen to get reactions time and 1/8 times?

 

don't post your times- you'll get it locked
Just like me


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88 TBI IROC- mods- 5500 rpm redline tach, 240 KM/H speedo,
L69 air cleaner (installed someday

 

So now we know what you did to the car.. what did the previous owner do to it? cuz no stock Lo3 is gonna run times like that.. bzzt try again

 

I already said no stock L03 would do 14s on the theoretical street racing board. If I am only running 14.1 with everything changed on my engine besides the heads, then how can he just slap a muffler/cap/rotor on and run a time as good as a L98? I spent thousands just to get it to run a 14.1. I could have just used that money and built a 12 second 350! He should be in the mid/high 15s shouldn't he?

-ws6formula-

[This message has been edited by ws6formula89 (edited August 15, 2001).]

 

Your times are pretty crazy for the small amount of mods you did! Do u have a 0-60? I have never seen an LO3 run a time like that with just those mods. And I always thought the WS6's came with LB9's or L98's as well. But maybe I am wrong.

 

open until we found out how he really ran that time, and what engine he really has, then i think we will be closing the thread.

and 871LEIroc,
thats why we have so many different boards. it would be different if you said, i did this mod this weekend and then ran this time..... vs...... my old time......etc..

 

NO PABLO BZZZ YOUR WRONG, NO ONE ELSE HAS TOUCHED THIS CAR I BOUGHT IT FROM A 3RD GEN COLLECTOR IT WAS 100% STOCK. MY CAR RAN A 15.896 DEAD STOCK. WITH THESE MODS IT DOES RUN 14'S
ENGINE:STOCK HEADS,VALVES,& CAM
EXHAUST:STOCK MANIFOLDS,DUAL 2 1/4 INTO SINGLE 2 1/2 Y-PIPE, 2 1/2 INTERMIDIATE WITH FLOWMASTER AND DUAL 2 1/2 OUTLETS
IGNITION: MSD CAP,ROTOR,COIL&WIRES,BOSCH +4 PLUGS
AIR INTAKE:5.0 H.O. DUAL SNORKEL,K&N
OTHERS:HYPERTECH PULLIES,LOW TEMP FAN SWITCH,180 T-STAT

SAY WHAT YOU WILL I DON'T CARE IT WON'T SLOW MY CAR DOWN ,IT'S GREAT WERE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE HERE. USUALLY PEOPLE ARE HAPPY TO SEE COOL CARS BUT IT MUST BE DIFFERENT HERE.



[This message has been edited by CODY BEHNKE (edited August 13, 2001).]

 

Ok, then how did you dump a whole 1 1/2 seconds of your ET without changing the heads (most restrictive part), cam (econo-gasser), and not do any head/valve work. See it just doesn't make any sense. See, I changed everything but the heads (which I built instead, dumb move). I put in a new cam, and intake, and exhaust.

Just so you guys know, those mods listed are the ones that took most of the time off my ET. The exhaust/ignition did nothing! So, I didn't list all my mods. I felt the list of every single mod would be too extensive for each post.

Ok, Stock Exhaust Manifolds are also what really restricts that motor's fullest potential. Why is it when I had a custom 3" inch exhaust (with headers) installed, it only took .2 off my quarter mile time? What's your secret? It seems as though your almost-stock exhaust is the ticket to cutting most of the time off your ET. Wow, Dual 2 1/2 inch outlets? How much did that chop off?

I hope you know, that basically did nothing for your stock motor. It didn't even do anything for my non-stock motor. Nothing. I had a whole new ignition put in, including new distributor, cap, coil, ignition box, wires, and plugs....but it took a whole .02 seconds off my ET. Again what's your secret?

Ok, that is a very basic mod that has a decent gain, but no second off an ET. I did the OE, and then the Dual-Snorkle and it gained me probably 10-12 horsepower and barely anything off the ET. Again, did K&N make a new filter I haven't heard of, so what's your secret?

Ok, pullies are good, but not too much of a gain. Low temp fan switch, heck why didn't you just go with a on-off fan-switch like me, so it's running all the time? It probably gained me barely any power. 180 T-stat, ok but no major gains there. All in all, where is the thing that got you into the 14s? None of those add up to a 14 second 1/4. You say you ran a 15.86? You could be running a 15.6 now at the best with the mods you listed. But then again you could have done more harm than good. See you need to finish the job. The other stuff you listed doesn't do anything unless you have other mods that are dependant on them.

CAN YOU STOP TYPING IN CAPS?

-ws6formula-

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1989 Pontiac Formula WS6
69,000 miles.
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305 TBI, 4.10 gears, SLP Zexel/Torsen Limited Slip Differential, 700r4 Corvette Servo, LT4 Hot Cam/Valvesprings, GM Aluminum Driveshaft, 2700 RPM Stall, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold, Turbocity TB. Ran on 6-19-2001 again: UPDATED: 14.1 @ 97.68 mph. Dyno'd Bone Stock @ 172.6 rwhp, 266 ft-lbs. of rw-torque.

[This message has been edited by ws6formula89 (edited August 13, 2001).]

 

Well your '91 Formula TBI times might be nice , but they are nothing compared to my '92, RSS, TBI 350, 5-speed, T-tops and 3.88 gears. They made those stock too you know. Check this chart. They are listed right under the '91/'92 Formula TBI. https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech2/techdb.shtml With just SLP headers and 3.5" dual outlet exaust I droped the times down to 13.00 flat from a 14.99 time stock. Really. Its true, its true. People are happy to see cool cars but it must be different here because I get called a lair. Lisa's Dancing makes my feet sad

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

[This message has been edited by Tas (edited August 13, 2001).]

 

i only have ONE thing to say, if anyone needs proof have snflupigus come to scribner to see me run 14's. i'm there almost every friday night or i'm at thunder valley in marion. i usually get along with "loyal" 3rd gen fans but this is rediculus everyone cant stand the fact that my car is fast, around here everyone gets along and we all drive 3rd gens gta's to irocs well i have nothing more to say. will you please delete this topic.

 

no one believes you because TBIs are not listed for '91 Formulas. You have any pictures we can look at?

 

You still aren't getting this are you? 14s with an L03 take mucho buxx and mucho time. You aren't going to run 14s with a completely stock motor/drivetrain.


I doubt snflupigus would want to go see your car whip out a 15.6. It wouldn't impress him any. Unless you tell every single mod you did, you WON'T get any respect from us.

You just want this post closed because you know that we caught you in a big lie.

-ws6formula-

[This message has been edited by ws6formula89 (edited August 15, 2001).]

 

Gentlemen,

I also have a 91 Formula WS6 which came stock with the 170 hp TBI 5.0. Not many were made that way, since the ws6 is insulted by that pitiful engine; but it was the stock Formula engine in 91-92. With the mods he has, the engine should make about 200 hp.

However, I'm thinking the gears are 3.73's.

Dude, are you sure the gears aren't aftermarket 3.73's??

 

The way things are going I'm gonna dig up some of my own aliases and back myself up too since it looks like the thing to do now.


[This message has been edited by Tas (edited August 13, 2001).]

 

PhantomChamp you are my hero, yes 1991 formulas came with tbi engines. My gears are 3.08 i made sure that they were when i put my zexel-torsen in. You sound like an original f-body guy, around here when someones car is fast you cheer them on not boo them. i usually don't let people on the net get to me but this is bull. By posting these times i hoped to only compare not to say haaa i'm faster. I figured my times were normal for a 5-speed tbi's with small mods. anyway all of my mods are listed ws6formula and besides whats so special about your mods?
you seem to run 14's with nothing special either. Tas how do i post pictures on this site? I want you to all see what your yellin at.

 

Did you happen to notice that I said I hadn't listed all of my mods either. I said I only list the ones that made the BIGGEST gains. Those aren't all my mods, but my mods are way more believable than yours.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally Posted by ws6formula89:

Just so you guys know, those mods listed are the ones that took most of the time off my ET. The exhaust/ignition did nothing! So, I didn't list all my mods. I felt the list of every single mod would be too extensive for each post.

 

ok. I can admit when I'm wrong (about the TBI thing). I've been bored and just did research. Sorry.

 

P.S. That FAQ on thirdgen is wrong then. That's is what I based my posts on.

 

But running 14s with your mods is impossible, unless you are about 2700 lbs with you in the car. I still don't believe the times you ran.

[This message has been edited by ws6formula89 (edited August 15, 2001).]

 

Yeah but if what i did made no difference then why would any other mods make a difference on your car? Well im going to go finish re-jetting my cbr i'll check back in on this nonsense later.....

3, 2, 1 Start the bickering

 

Sorry I just seen your last post can't we all just get along? Now that it seems that were on the same side tell me how to post pictures so i can put up pictures and time-slips. Dead serious though no internal mods. or n.o.s.

 

we have had the whole conversation about how much modding it takes to run 14's with these cars, and the result was really not too much. it would however take more than you seem to have. unless the car is some sort of mega light freak or has had some thing done to it that you were not told about when you bought the car, i doubt it can happen on your mods.
could you please post the entire time slips, with all the increments. 60', 330', 660' and mph, 1000', and 1/4 w/mph.


lata
tim

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14.209@95.46mph
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Also post pics of the hidden N2O system.

I also question the track you went to and their timing equipment. A local track here by Detroit has a screwed up timing system, so its not that uncommon.

Lets see the timeslips. Don't forget to include pics of the car with the number on the window so we can match it to the timeslips. Heck, anyone can borrow my 14.0 timeslips and say their TBI car went 14.0

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Mike L.

The Weapon of Choice:
1987 IROC Z 5.7 TPI A4 3.27 Borg-Warner four wheel disc
Mods: 2300-2500 Stall Converter, Shift Kit(GM parts), TPI Specialties Stage 3 PROM, Modified Airbox w/ K&N's, homemade cold air, Relocated MAT sensor, Gutted MAF, 160* thermostat, MSD 6A, Accel 8mm Wires, bypassed TB coolant, Flowmaster 3 chamber single 3" in/out muffler, 3" MAC mandrel intermediate, custom dual !cat Y-pipe. airfoil, ported plenum. !smog, few others I forgot...???

**BOYCOTT LAPEER DRAGWAY**

 

Hey this isn't The fast and the furious, I hate n.o.s. more than i hate rice burners. It is at least nice to have some people on here who can say something decent. Like I said before there are no hidden mods. The track I go to is an NHRA track but on street nights they run there + or - .05 equiptment
which means there could be a .05 difference. I didn't post my time to rub it in I thought that's what they would all run, my God LO3's aren't that bad. Heck people on the V-6 board run 15's. Does anyone else have #'s for a similarly equipped LO3?

 

cody, email me. I'll go to scrib with ya. I would also like to check out your car, and hang with a fellow thirdgenner sometime. as well, if you have an l03, i would like to see if the chip ive burned for my stock l03, will make a difference for the better on your car. Just email me.

The reason nobody beleives you is because nobody has seen it before, its just how things are, see to beleive, would you beleive me if i said my stock l03 runs 13's. no.

 

Tas,

I know I haven't posted for awhile, but me and Cody are not the same person.

Cody,

I've never run 14's in mine, though it is an automatic. I really believe I'll be able to once I get 3.73 gears, though. I have basically the same mods you have.

For the rest of you,

I got my car stock and then added a hyperchip, high flow exhaust and improved cold air intake which really did make a difference in horsepower and throttle response. That and I use an Octane booster with premium fuel.



Now y'all don't fight anymore!

 

thats almost as bad as this...enjoy this one..i had fun with this kid

http://www.nethirdgen.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005670.html

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Hey if you have so much fun at your other board stay there you worthless piece of s**t, people like you who have no car worth talking about just love starting up a flame again but do it somewhere else. And I suppose being the cool guy you are you'll have to carry this on for another 20 topics but I don't care, if you have that much time on your hands good for you.


$10 says this guys back with a story tommorow

 

I hope you realize there are tons of other people that like to post at NEThirdgen.org, mainly because of it's excellent non-tech board. So he is welcome here just as much as you are.

14.5 is way too good for the mods your car has. My mods aren't really for the street, I have no backseats, or sound deadening material. I would never list all of my mods! That would be WAAAAYYYY too long of a list, and Brad (administrator) would probably ban me for having a page long mod list. Besides that I'm too lazy to do that. So I listed the mods that lost me the most time off my ET.

-ws6formula-

[This message has been edited by ws6formula89 (edited August 16, 2001).]

 

closed.