hows it going. i wanted to see what you guys think i should get for my next mod, i have all in the sig below, and i wanted to get something else but i cant decide. these are my 3 choices:
1) new waterpump (never painted mine when i rebuilt the engine, so it looks weird)
2) march underdrive pullies (do you guys know of any difference bettween the steel and the aluminum)
3)MSD 6a ignition box, to furthermore compliment my other MSD ignition parts.
so what would you guys get for 200$ im thinking im gonna go with the march pullies but im not sure, either that or the MSD box would be my second choice
Thanks



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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior

 

id go with the pulleys also, i think the aluminum look mean and i dunno the real mechanical differance between them

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1991 Firebird (GT40)
-LO3 305 TBI
-5 speed
-Open Element Air Filter
-Edelbrock Tower Strut Brace
-Kenwood Excelon Headunit w/ 10 Disc Changer
-Alpine MRP-F256 Amp
-Polk EX 4x6's, DX 6x9's, and EX Tweeters
-Kicker ZR240 amp (bridged)
-Dual JL W0 12" Subs

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http://members.aol.com/deadtrend1/index.html

 

Unless you have 400+hp with 11:1 or higher compression...no reason to get MSD. The higher voltage coil and regapping plugs is plenty good for most small block setups.
I would go with the underdrive pulleys as well if I had money burning a hole in my pocket. If I didn't, I would save that cash in the bank and think about what I could do with an extra $200 saved in a few weeks. More money = better goodies

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

Nintendo Game cube?

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, 700R4, P.A.W. 14x3 open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips, Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248)
Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options

 

or better yet, nintendo game cube ... IN THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!

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1991 Firebird (GT40)
-LO3 305 TBI
-5 speed
-Open Element Air Filter
-Edelbrock Tower Strut Brace
-Kenwood Excelon Headunit w/ 10 Disc Changer
-Alpine MRP-F256 Amp
-Polk EX 4x6's, DX 6x9's, and EX Tweeters
-Kicker ZR240 amp (bridged)
-Dual JL W0 12" Subs

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My page with pics and stuff, and car stereo help.
http://members.aol.com/deadtrend1/index.html

 

OOooo good idea. Add $150 for LCD display



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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, 700R4, P.A.W. 14x3 open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips, Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248)
Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options

 

"2) march underdrive pullies (do you guys know of any difference bettween the steel and the aluminum)"

-Differences: looks. and (minor) weight.

With that system you've got, you could have some charging issues if you put on pulleys. I'd get the "Power&Amps" (?) set from March if you're gonna do that... you won't notice much of a difference, but it's an easy mod.

"1) new waterpump (never painted mine when i rebuilt the engine, so it looks weird)"

-You're thinking about replacing a good waterpump just b/c you don't like how it looks?? I wish I had your kinda spare change...

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Joel Geerling
Red 91 Formula, 305 TBI
Edelbrock 14x3 open element
TBI 1/2" spacer
Hypertech street chip
Crank/Alt Pulleys
180* stat
*
Exhaust is next!

 

Personally, if I had a $200 windfall, I'd put it away towards a $600 - $1200 mod. Those $200 range mods are hardly worth the money (I should know, I've been through enough of them!)

Like Baers.. Ooh, that would be nice...

 

okay no game cube, and i never heard that an ignition box is junk if you have under 400hp, im building a 383 strocker and after a supercharger will be pumping over 600hp. as for save up more its for a christmas present for myself, basicly i say what i want and i get it. and im not puting stupdid playstation or gamecube in my car, i like driving not playing video games

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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior

 

welll actually with a bit more than 200 or could prob get a stewert water pump and your pullies.. i personally dont liek pullies but it slows down you altinator output witch i cant have with my sounds system. BY the way guysd my brother does in fact have a 1.5 inch color tv mounted in his camaro. The wiring was a bitch though

 

hooker

someone had to suggest it....

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91 FireBird 305 V-8
Edelbrock Catback, Custom Alarm. Fourth Gen Console. i have six cupholders. all for starbucks!
Go|)Created The Earth, And Then Turned Up The Bass.
Here's My Audio Install!

"Honda's FOR ME TO POOP ON!" -Triumph...

 

New/usd, properly picked, mellow (like 204/214) camshaft will give you best bang-for the buck. Even with OEM Intake and exhaust. Then, pipe the converter and add cheapo muffler, if you got scratch left.

 

wow, little testy are we? They're right though, save up for a big mod like new brakes. That would be worth it. Besides killer, if you get whatever you want, why don't you just put your money into this "Supercharged 383 Stroker" and have that running in the car rather than spending more money on the 305 which I assume you would eventually pull anyway???

[This message has been edited by dmair5_0 (edited November 28, 2001).]

 

Let me put it in simple terms: MSD ignition box = no power gain. If you can prove it, then do it, you'll be the first. Like I said before, normal dissy with high voltage cap is all you need for most street chevy's that run on 94 or less octane!

 

March Pulleys won't give u nothing more than 5hp. They look real good though under the hood but they only give u 5hp for 200 bucks ain't that cool. But every little bit counts. :shrugs:

Maybe I would keep it and just save ur money until something happens. Cause from ur list of mods, there ain't to much more to do and u don't need a MSD box but if u want one, go for it. It might help a little.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

 

LOL

[QUOTE] Originally posted by fast_broker:

New/usd, properly picked, mellow (like 204/214) camshaft will give you best bang-for the buck. Even with OEM Intake and exhaust. Then, pipe the converter and add cheapo muffler, if you got scratch left. [QUOTE]

Got it, got it, and got it, thanks though


[QUOTE] Originally posted by dmair5_0:

wow, little testy are we?
didnt mean to come off that why, i just dont wanna put any game system in my car, in my house, well thats a different story
They're right though, save up for a big mod like new brakes.
I dont need brakes yet, that after the engine is in
why don't you just put your money into this "Supercharged 383 Stroker" and have that running in the car rather than spending more money on the 305 which I assume you would eventually pull anyway???
actually i need to perfect this engine first, when my 383 is done im puting this into a k5 blazer, you can pick them up for cheap with blown engines and transmissions


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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior

[This message has been edited by killer305 (edited November 28, 2001).]

 

I'd save another $100 and get a PS2... it's much more versitile... does the Game Cube play DVDs?

For my car... I'd save a little more and buy me 2 extra rims and snow tires.

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1984 Firebird - Daily driver, 305 LG4, 3.23 rear, T5 - Hurst short shifter, Edelbrock 600 CFM 1406 carb, Performer intake - Edelbrock Pro-Flow air filter, gutted cat, IROC 16x8 5 Spoke Wheels, AIWA bargain basement (from Sears of course) CD player, Eight-ball shift ****
Check out my ride here

 

Forget gamecube and playstation 2. The Xbox RULES! Repaint your waterpump to match your engine and save the 200.

 

I have to see how good the Metroid and Zelda are for Game Cube before I made any real decisions.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, 700R4, P.A.W. 14x3 open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips, Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248)
Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options

 

come on this isnt nitendo.com

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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior

 

yea, lets not have this big annoying controversy of how game cube can beat the x-box and ps2, yada yada yada. Wed be posting replies till next year.

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1991 Firebird (GT40)
-LO3 305 TBI
-5 speed
-Open Element Air Filter
-Edelbrock Tower Strut Brace
-Kenwood Excelon Headunit w/ 10 Disc Changer
-Alpine MRP-F256 Amp
-Polk EX 4x6's, DX 6x9's, and EX Tweeters
-Kicker ZR240 amp (bridged)
-Dual JL W0 12" Subs

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My page with pics and stuff, and car stereo help.
http://members.aol.com/deadtrend1/index.html

 

For ~$100 you should be able to find a used Holley 670 cfm TB. Figure $60 to get that manifold board to 2" and hidden expenses will run about $40, it might be worthwile.

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Chuck Kulchar
1991 RS
Open Element w/K&N
3" cat and Force II cat-back

 

what do you have in your "all new suspension" ?
if you don't already have them, for $200 you could get a poly tranny mount, poly torque arm bushing, rear control arm relocators, get someone to box in your control arms, and put on poly sway bar bushings and end link s at both ends.
that woudl give you a lot of handling gains and a few bucks left over.

later
tim

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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto
New Times Coming Soon!
Check Out The East Coast F-Body Nationals Home Page
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DSI Racing Home Page
www.geocities.com/foff667

 

If I was thinking of switching water pumps, I would go with an electric water pump to free up some horsepower to the wheels. You can get a Weiand from Jegs for 159 dollars plus their 7 dollar handling charge.

Clint

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1991 Firebird Bandit II Edition
305 LO3 A4 with mods:
True Dual 2 1/2" Exhaust;
Dynomax Shorty Headers
Hedman X-Pipe
2 Dynomax Free-Flowing Cats
2 Dynomax Glass Packed Mufflers
no smog pump/pulley
A/C delete (need delete pulley)
K&N Open Element cleaner
Ultimate TBI Mods (port/polish, AFPR)
1" TBI Spacer .25" Injector Spacer
Homemade Subframe Connectors
GM Wonderbar
36mm front, 24mm rear sway bars with Poly bushings/endlinks
Waiting to install;
95 Z28 LT1 Camshaft
1.6:1 RR
Bryco double roller timing set
LT4 valve springs
+ one large lead pedal foot . See my project rocket turtle @
http://oursportscars.homestead.com/firebird.html
Member of Tidewater Trans Am Club
www.ttac.net

 

You cannot use an electric water pupmp for continuous street-driven duty.

 

Get a good stewart waterpump for $170 and it'll use up like 4hp at most. It'll also flow MUCH more than the electrics.
I agree with the suspension work. $200 is good for getting the little stuff out of the way.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

 

No offense but I'd take an aftermarket cam swap (from the OEM cam) over any water pump change, any day... OEM exhaust/intake with cam change worth WAY more TQ/HP than a water pump change...

 

Yay Nintendo Gamecube!

Err..I mean, EXHAUST! :P

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1992 Camaro RS (Auto) 5.0L TBI
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Performance mods
NOS (125 HP shot), Dynomax cat-back exhaust, Hedman headers, no cat, custom high beam delete ram air w/ K&N, MSD 6A ignition, MSD 8.5mm plug wires, LT1 camshaft
Soon to be installed:
Edelbrock Perfomer TBI intake, B & M 2200 RPM stall torque converter, Trans Go shift kit, World Products Torquer heads, Ed Wright Fast Chip

Audio
Sony Xplod CDX-M610 head unit, Pioneer 2-way 4x6 front speakers, Pioneer 3-way 6x9 rear speakers, 12 inch Pioneer VCCS PRO subwoofer, QLogic sealed box, Kicker ZR360 amplifier, Lightning Audio 1 farad capacitor

Other
Macewen White Faced Gauges/Shift overlay, A-pillar gauges (Phantom oil pressure, Air/Fuel), 180* thermostat, Window Tint, chrome valve covers, xenon headlights

 

i already have cam, exhaust, and cutom bored tbi, im getting new suspension in the spring, so im going to leave the suspension alone for know, why cant you use a elctric water pump for street, and would i have to get a higher power amp to use the pullies, im probably going to go with them, but if ill have charging problems forget it.

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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior

 

you can use an electric water pump on the street if you want. most have a 1 year warranty just like the good al;uminum pumps do. when i called aero space components the tech guy said theres woudl run for 3-5 years under regular street use, and that was after i explain to him i wanted to drive the car a alot.

later
tim

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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto
New Times Coming Soon!
Check Out The East Coast F-Body Nationals Home Page
www.geocities.com/njspeeder
My MAFB.ORG Home Page
www.mycar.net/mafb/registry/detail.cfm?id=299
DSI Racing Home Page
www.geocities.com/foff667

 

Just make sure you have the OEM pump, pulleys and belt(s) in your car, or a towstrap. When it breaks (not "if"), no way to get home...

 

are you talking about the pullies or the electric pump



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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior