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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 02:23 AM
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Z28 VS Modified RS

Im pretty irritated. My friend has a 1992 Z28 that is completely stock. I have a 1992 RS. My car has been modified with the following things.
Swapped in 350 ZZ-1... (rated at 345 hp supposedly)
Edelbrock alluminum heads....
Crane cam....
Edelbrock TBI Manifold...
350 injectors.....
Streetfighter 700r4 Tranny....
Breakaway converter...
Hooker Catback
~When we dragged I jumped in front by nearly a full car length. After second gear hits she passes me and just blows me away. With the mods I have I thought I would win, or at least be equal. But no....she didnt just win....she kicked my A$$
The only difference I can think of is that her z28 has a TPI system and Im running on a TBI. Does that really make that big of a difference?
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:20 AM
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Are you running a stock chip?

My untouched, bone-stock TPI Z28 is still faster than my modified TBI RS, so don't think you're the only one.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 07:02 AM
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thats pretty funny....lol she beat a he! does she go to these boards.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 03:38 PM
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I am still running on my original 305 chip. It runs strong, but apparently not strong enough. Both times we raced I instantly jump in front. I dont know if maybe I have more torque or if its driving style. We both just ran in regular D so neither of us shifted from 1st. What could be making my car so much slower?
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 03:43 PM
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Get a custom chip.
My 92 RS smoked a 98 Cobra the other day, three times in a row.
It's a 350 with TBI also.
My chip's from Ed Wright @ Fastchip.com
Other mods in my sig.
-Rich-
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 03:43 PM
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sounds like you need headers. are you running stock 305 tbi manifolds??? was her car a 350??
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 03:49 PM
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Yes her car was a 350. Should I not think about going the direction of getting a TPI system?
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 03:52 PM
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and yes I am running on 305 manifolds.
which way should I go to get headers. There arent to many for me being Im in Cali. I know edelbrock has some but I havent heard to many good things about them.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:05 PM
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I'm no mechanical genius but it sounds like some headers and a better intake setup would help your engine breathe better.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:08 PM
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The cam that I have in my car is a Crane CompuCam with the part number 2010. Would someone mind going to the Crancam website and taking a look at this. Should I have gotten a different Cam. I have another cam that came out of the ZZ-1 engine. It is a higher lift cam but my car wouldnt run right with it. Something about bad vaccuum.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:34 PM
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From what I can see you have three problem with your setup:
1. The cam you have is extremely small 184/194 .384/.407 106 @.05" duration. You are right; the ZZ1 cam is a probably bigger than you want to go. If I were you I would get the Crane Powermax 2031 208/214 .438/.452 112 @.05" duration.

2. You need headers bad, the stock 305 TBI manifolds were some of the most restrictive put on our cars.

3. I would at least try to find a stock 350 TBI chip. If not a custom.

A 92 Z28 is rated at 245hp and 345 Torque.
With that set up a stock 92 z28 should stand NO chance against you.

Emissions legal headers should not be hard to find, just look through Jegs or summit you will see quite a few. The cam that I mentioned is also emissions legal.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:38 PM
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So a chip, headers, and a different cam is all I should really be worrying about? Is her TPI on her Z28 making that big of a difference compared to my TBI?
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:46 PM
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That was fast..
No, the TPI is not making that much of a difference. On the Camaro Z28 message board I think someone made swap with a 305 and dynoed it, not sure but I think they picked up about 13rwhp. Considering the swap will cost around $800 I don't think it is worth it.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by JR305
From what I can see you have three problem with your setup:
1. The cam you have is extremely small 184/194 .384/.407 106 @.05" duration. You are right; the ZZ1 cam is a probably bigger than you want to go. If I were you I would get the Crane Powermax 2031 208/214 .438/.452 112 @.05" duration.

2. You need headers bad, the stock 305 TBI manifolds were some of the most restrictive put on our cars.

3. I would at least try to find a stock 350 TBI chip. If not a custom.

A 92 Z28 is rated at 245hp and 345 Torque.
With that set up a stock 92 z28 should stand NO chance against you.

Emissions legal headers should not be hard to find, just look through Jegs or summit you will see quite a few. The cam that I mentioned is also emissions legal.
I agree completely. That's why headers and free flow exhaust should be among the first mods done.
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Old Apr 19, 2002 | 04:57 PM
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Thanks guys....I appreciate the help. Its just hard to see my camaro with about 10,000 dollars into it including buying the car lose to a z28 that cost 6000. Thats the ****s though.
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Old Apr 20, 2002 | 12:21 AM
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along with the already mentioned, you may want to go with a larger throttle body. your also cfm limited right now.
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Old Apr 20, 2002 | 03:25 AM
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Do you guys think it would be a smart to go with a Holley 670. There is a local hot rod shop and one of the guys told me that it would be a waste to get it. Im not quite sure if he is honestly trying to help me out or get me to spend money at his shop.
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Old Apr 20, 2002 | 05:20 AM
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Well, at this point, getting into burning your own PROMs would probably give you a better gain $/$ than getting the Holly 670.

Just curious, what stall speed is your converter?
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Old Apr 20, 2002 | 02:04 PM
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I have a tci breakaway converter. 1000 stall speed. I think its suppose to be 1000 over stock. How do I go about burning my own proms?
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Old Apr 20, 2002 | 02:52 PM
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Right now I would just worry about getting headers and a new cam. I would try to find a stock 350 chip to run your setup. Getting into prom burning is not easy, takes a lot of time and effort to learn, I am in the process.

With the cam and headers (If you don't have a catback you will need one) you should see a major increase and the CranePower max 2031, or similar, should be able to run off a stock 350 chip pretty well.

After you have this I would then consider a larger TBI and a custom chip.

By the way is this a daily driver or more of a strip car?
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Old Apr 20, 2002 | 02:57 PM
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as of right now its a daily driver and a strip car. Within the next month-month and a half Im going to be getting a Acura CL. I am not planning on getting rid of my camaro though. When I have another car to use my camaro will be more of my weekend car. I did recently put on a new hooker catback. It is only a little louder than it was stock. Although I can feel it having a little more sotp go.
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Old Apr 20, 2002 | 03:03 PM
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what should i look at as far as headers go?
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Old Apr 21, 2002 | 02:28 AM
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SLP, Holly Hookers, SLP, Edelbrock TES, and ummm SLP.
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Old Apr 21, 2002 | 05:22 PM
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Sounds like you need to spend some time reading on the TBI board.

I also agree with the above ....cam, headers, 3" exh, intake and start with a chip from a 1989 Cop car version of the Caprice that had a TBI 350. The chip code is ANLU. This should get it running better with more fuel pressure or bigger injectors. It will be a starting point for tuning from there.
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