Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
I was just out under the hood of my '91 RS L03. I was digging around cleaning and what not and noticed that there is just way too much crap under the hood. I would like to remove all of the pollution control junk and toss it but before I do that I wanted to ask a couple of simple questions.
1. What if any benifits, if any, will I see from removing all that stuff?
2. Is there any worries with the computer throwing codes after the removal?
3. Has anyone done this that can give me a brief tutorial so that I can be thorough?
Thanks
1. What if any benifits, if any, will I see from removing all that stuff?
2. Is there any worries with the computer throwing codes after the removal?
3. Has anyone done this that can give me a brief tutorial so that I can be thorough?
Thanks
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From: Ailsa Craig, Ontario, Canada
Car: 84 Trans Am
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first of all do you have emissions tesing in your area. i am gonna assume you dont or you know someone who can get you through...or else you wouldnt be asking this.
now i am not the best person to answer this because i dont know much about fuel injected cars.
however one benefit is obviously gonna be a cleaner, less clutted engine bay and it will be easier to work on the car.
i removed every piece of emissions equipment on my car excpet the PCV valve, you need this to properly vent you engine...so leave it on. you can put a breather on the other valve cover intead of the tube and filter than run from the air cleaner to the valve cover
hopefully someone else that knows tbi cars and will respond and help you out.
now i am not the best person to answer this because i dont know much about fuel injected cars.
however one benefit is obviously gonna be a cleaner, less clutted engine bay and it will be easier to work on the car.
i removed every piece of emissions equipment on my car excpet the PCV valve, you need this to properly vent you engine...so leave it on. you can put a breather on the other valve cover intead of the tube and filter than run from the air cleaner to the valve cover
hopefully someone else that knows tbi cars and will respond and help you out.
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Car: 86 Firebird
Engine: 355 4 bbl
Transmission: TKO 600
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Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
Originally posted by Johnny Camaro
2. Is there any worries with the computer throwing codes after the removal?
2. Is there any worries with the computer throwing codes after the removal?
If you remove the air pump, and I assume you have one, I would think that removing the air pump would change the oxygen content of the exhaust passing over the 02 sensor. After all, the pump is pushing air into the exhaust manifolds, burning up some of the leftover combustion products in the exhaust. If you take the added air out of the picture, what happens?
Now perhaps the change is small enough that the computer merely compensates for it slightly when cruising...
I suppose the bottom line is remove pieces one at a time and keep records of what you pulled from there. I would be worried about the driveability or gas mileage suffering from this particular modification.
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From: Kelowna, B.C.
Car: 89 Camaro RS
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
As far as I know the air pump is only pushing air into the manifolds until the engine is hot. then the air is diverted to the cat instead. and the ECM ignores the O2 sensor readings until the engine is hot anyways.
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Car: 86 Firebird
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Hmmmm, if that's the case then pulling the air pump shouldn't affect the driveability at all then, just increase emissions during warmup.
And the air that is pumped into the cat, that's what the half-inch tube running down to the exhaust is about?
I've heard that the air pumps don't really rob that much power off the crank so they're hardly worth removing in that sense but I agree they're ugly mothers, usually built cheaply and getting rid of them sure cleans up (alnd lightens up) the engine bay.
I pulled all the emissions hardware out of a '77 Toyota and it came to about 35 pounds! The air pump, brackets, hoses, the array of vacuum devices made for a huge pile on the floor.
And the air that is pumped into the cat, that's what the half-inch tube running down to the exhaust is about?
I've heard that the air pumps don't really rob that much power off the crank so they're hardly worth removing in that sense but I agree they're ugly mothers, usually built cheaply and getting rid of them sure cleans up (alnd lightens up) the engine bay.
I pulled all the emissions hardware out of a '77 Toyota and it came to about 35 pounds! The air pump, brackets, hoses, the array of vacuum devices made for a huge pile on the floor.
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Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
I was just out under the hood of my '91 RS L03. I was digging around cleaning and what not and noticed that there is just way too much crap under the hood. I would like to remove all of the pollution control junk and toss it but before I do that I wanted to ask a couple of simple questions.
1. What if any benifits, if any, will I see from removing all that stuff?
2. Is there any worries with the computer throwing codes after the removal?
3. Has anyone done this that can give me a brief tutorial so that I can be thorough?
Thanks
1. What if any benifits, if any, will I see from removing all that stuff?
2. Is there any worries with the computer throwing codes after the removal?
3. Has anyone done this that can give me a brief tutorial so that I can be thorough?
Thanks
good luck
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Car: 1990 Pontiac Trans Am
Engine: 355 TPI siamesed runners
Transmission: Tremec T56
Axle/Gears: 12-Bolt 3.73
Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
This is a very common topic, and I think there is even a thread in the TBI forum about it for your specific engine.Just remember its VERY illegal, even if your area doesnt do emissions testing. Its a federal law, and its just a matter of time before the current government makes every state and city do emissions testing in the name of "global warming."
We here in SoCal have several cars that make over 400 horsepower, get 20+ miles per gallon, and pass CA's tough emissions test with flying colors. Its not difficult.
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Car: 1988 camaro
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Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
I removed all the smog stuff from my car and its not throwing any codes or anything and its running just fine
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Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
Hey man, you wanna race me man? With those 373's you will do good. Do you have that hood ventilated?
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Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
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Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
[quote=Stevolwevol;4220291]Is that a stock muffler you have on it?[/quote
yeah its stock with 3 inch tail pipes welded on
yeah its stock with 3 inch tail pipes welded on
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Re: Help Removing Emissions Stuff...
I have 3 inchers on my rs also. They are stainless, w/balognie sliced. I have a flowmaster behind em.
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