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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 04:47 PM
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Such thing as a budget 406?

Is there such a thing as a budget 406?

The shops around here all quote $6000 for a 450HP 406 (Canadian prices).

All I want is something I can drive daily, so it doesn't need to be 11-12 second capable.

What kind of combo's can I build to get around 300-350HP (Enough to do mid 13's on street tires)?

Could I just use a rebuilt 400 with a cam/dart iron eagle heads?

What are some engines you guys have built? And would a 350 be cheaper?
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 06:26 PM
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400 parts DO cost more than 350, but well worth the extra cost. Go with a 5.7 rod for a street engine. You can run a larger cam with a 400 and get away with it much easier. And still have all the low end you need. Once you have a longer stroke engine you won't go back. You can build it for much less , if you already own the block.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 07:32 PM
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I took the 400 out of my 67 camaro and put a cam and intake in it and thats it. Very fast for not a lot of money.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 09:34 PM
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Budget 400. You have to find a 400 first and it isnt that easy to find a cheap one that doesent have a rod poking through it or just about to. IMO If your building a 400 dont have a budget at least where to rods are concerned or the heads.............
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 10:42 PM
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$6000 (can) is a lot of money for a basic 400 SB that has to go
say mid/high 12's and be a daily driver.

You need to shop around some more.
Many shops get carried away on whats nessessary for a street motor or just want to soak you.

You can build a cast ( hyperteuctic) flat top pistoned 400 for a lot less.
Use 350 5.7 rods (K rods) ( truck) use a stock gm 400crank
Use a standard 2 bolt 400 block. Put your money into proper
block machining ( decking, align boring) instead of a 4bolt block.

For a flat top motor you'll need 72 to 76cc heads.
for 64cc heads you'll need to use dished pistons.
This motor will need to be balanced.

I would use Protopline iron lightinng 72cc heads or
Vortecs with 64cc heads.
Use a dual plane intake and 750cfm carb.
A Comp XE 274 cam is all the cam you'll ever need.
An equivelent Crane or Isky will do nicely too.

I have just such a motor and got way less than $6000 (Can) in it.
it.

You can easily hit your performance goals with a 350 based motor with good heads. It will cost less. But if you want a 400 based motor go for it.
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Old Aug 23, 2003 | 12:15 AM
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Yes, 400's can be built fairly cheap for the street. Stock bottom end should be fine, but you should probably invest in ARP rod bolts. With Iron Eagles and a cam you'll have gobs of torque and should be pushing a bit over 400hp. Like said above though, spend the money on machine work and decent rods/pistons, the last thing you want is to lose the bottom end becasue you wanted to save a few extra dollars.
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Old Aug 23, 2003 | 02:15 PM
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You can still find 400's in a junk yard and I recommend a 2 bolt as they are much stronger than 2 bolt (even though in your case in doesn't sound like the block is in jeopardy) I would go with 6inch rods if you have to buy new ones since they will have a better rod ratio with a 400 stroke(they are even going 6.125 now). The stock cranks are just fine to about 6000rpms. If yo buy a set of after market heads keep in mind you will have to have them drilled for the steam holes. I personally would build the 400 if I could do it all over again....

Try and find a complete motor and that will save you a ton of money. You won't have to buy a flywheel, balancer or crank.
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Old Aug 23, 2003 | 02:55 PM
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Since I'm starting with the 305, I have to buy the engine.

Would it be cheaper to build up a 350 as opposed to a 400 (Since I have to buy either block)?
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Old Aug 23, 2003 | 03:05 PM
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Not if you can find a complete 400 Just remeber that the 400 is the only externally balance SB so parts aren't as easy to swap as wiht a 350....
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Old Aug 27, 2003 | 12:21 PM
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Here is a Canadian source for all the engine parts you'll need to assemble a 400. You'll need a machined block, rods and crank.
The assembly will need to be balanced.
They will ship to your door. Now all you need is a 400 Core and a good machinist.


Accelerated Motion

Send him an email and tell him what you are building.
Top quality and excelent service.
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Old Aug 27, 2003 | 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by F-BIRD'88
Here is a Canadian source for all the engine parts you'll need to assemble a 400. You'll need a machined block, rods and crank.
The assembly will need to be balanced.
They will ship to your door. Now all you need is a 400 Core and a good machinist.


Accelerated Motion

Send him an email and tell him what you are building.
Top quality and excelent service.
Nice.

I got an awesome machinist (Over 20 years in the business) to help me out, plus another mechanic (Who worked in a performance shop for 10 years) to help with the installation.
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