i have seen that alot of guys have this problem and i need help very bad or does anyone know a good 3rd gen mechanic, cuz i have tried everything

 

You have to give more info such as what exactly happened and what troubleshooting you have tried.

 

haha i love it ummm my car doesnt work right anyone have any idea as to whats wrong?

 

after i drive it around it wont start back up, the gauges turn on, the lights work, and the fuel pump primes. I have changed out the ignition switch and key, the starter enable relay, battery cables, the starter and silanoid, neutral safety switch, computer, pass key decoder module, and the temp sensor.

 

Is this the scenario:

1. Car starts up after not being used for a while, drives great
2. Car gets warm, car starts acting funny, gets really bad, and finally stalls
3. Car won't start
4. Car starts again after it sits for a while

If so, that's the ignition module; they all die that way. They work great when cold but stop giving out a spark when they get hot.

Make sure you use new heat sink grease on the new module when you install it (grease usually comes with a module)- otherwise, you'll cook the new module.

 

well my senario is
1. car starts, runs fine
2. stop somewhere and when i get back to start it , nothing, have to wait for a while
3. car starts and runs fine and make home to my other babe (69 Goat)

another thing is since i have gotten this car, when it started leaving me at first i had to wait 10 minutes then 20min then 30min, since all this it has gotten worse

 

when its not starting does it turn over?

 

no it does not, no click no nothing the fuel pump primes, the gauge ligts turn on and that is. today i did a temporary fix, i put a toggle switch in the car to the silenoid going to fuse box. i put the wire to an empty slot for the ignition. but its temporary until i find the problem. So now when the car does not start i flip the switch and the car starts rite up. But i still want to know y the car does not start after it has been running

 

Ok - sounds like a case of classic no-start-when-hot.
The starter solenoid can get heat soaked after being driven and parked.
Is your heat shield in place for your starter? You can replace the starter 1/2 a dozen times, and if the heat shield is not in place (it doesn't come with a new, in-the-box starter) you'll just wreck the next solenoid. So -

1/ Get a new A/C delco starter with solenoid (don't use cheap starters on these cars)
2/ Make sure the heat shield is intact and in-place.
3/ Make sure the starter is shimmed right

Voila! You should have no further problems!

 

it has a delco starter, but i dont think it has to do with the starter, it has to be the wiring or some module or relay that i dont know about, cuz like i said i bipassed the ignition switch with a toggle switch. when the car doesnt start normal with just the key, i have to use the toggle switch and it starts

 

Could be the neutral safety switch, when it won't stary, try moving the shifter from park to neutran and see if it will start, then back to park and try it again

 

Double post, ignore.

 

i just put a new neautral safety switch last weekend

 

The fact that it is heat related makes me think the issue is under the hood somewhere.

Sounds like the starter and solenoid are OK.

Check the factory wiring at the starter. Specifically the wire going to the small terminal on the solenoid.
If the wire has become damaged (has a few strands broken), it could flow enough to start a cold eng, but when it gets hot, the wires resistance increases and there's too much of a voltage drop.

Might try cutting off the wire's ring terminal and re-crimping a new one on.

If someone ever tried to remove the starter and let it hang by the wires, they could have been damaged internally and look ok from the outside.

BTW; disconnect the battery if you're messing with the starter wiring.

 

i was thinging that too, but i hate messing with anyting on the passenger side cuz of all that stuff in the way, but i will pull it out and see how the wire is, also what do the 2 fusible links go to?

 

does anyone know if there is another relay or module under the hood that is disabling the car not to start

 

Did you adjust the new switch properly? It's been a while since I had the original shifter (about 7 years, haha) but I seem to remember something about using a screwdriver to align the park/neutral switch with the shifter's body...

What wires does your toggle switch tap into?

 

yes it is centered

 

Yup, that definetly sounds like the starter. It seems to be broken starter week or something here at TGO.

 

its not the starter cuz it is starting with toggle switch i installed

 

you wouldnt happen to have an alarm with a starter kill hooked up do ya? i do and had a bad wire, did the same thing wouldnt start after a while it would, just a thought, but you are correct if you bypass the wiring you have your answer.

 

I have the same problem with my 1989 RS. The Dealer checked everything out. They said it is the VATS system. The anti-theft device installed by the factory. Make sure that the key is inserted all the way in, and that it is dry, and free of and dirt etc. We will get to the bottom of this problem guys.

 

are you sure your battory isn't dead? LoL that use to happen to me after i did the v-6 to v-8 swap and i was useing the v-6 battory it didn't have the power to crank the v-8 .... and also the alt. died lol

 

When you attempt to start after hot soak, does the temperature gauge needle swing full-scale?

 

this gets me. people are not reading what he wrote
with that said and not to look stupid because I don't want to read through all of the posts again but, what year and specific model car is it? I would like to just find out where he is loosing power. if I know this we can decide where to check for power when it acts up. even have him check at the starter solonied again to see if he still has power but not enough with the key turned to start and go from there.

 

Next time it doesn't start, throw a meter on the starter to see if you are getting a full 12 volts. That will tell you right there if it is a bad connection or a bad wire. If you are getting 0 volts, then it would be one of the components in line. Check all your connections, make sure you have a good solid ground on the back of the head to the firewall, battery ground to chassis ground, starter solonoid to starter body, check all the connections on the starter.

Let us know what the results are

Matt

 

O.K. guys, I don't think it is the VATS system. Like I stated before the dealer checked out all wiring to the starter, battery ignition etc. All were operating fine. I drove it today on the expressway for about 10 mins. Then drove another 20 mins. to Indiana for gas. Pulled into the garage, shut it doun, then immediately tried to restart it. Turned the key, and nothing as usual. Engine cooled down for about 30. mins, then restarted with no problems. I will be getting a heat shield next week. Thanks for the help. 1989 RS V6.

 

Hi guys, I have decided to get the aluminized starter heat shield from Jeg's, and some adhesive backed heat barrier to put on the wires from the starter, this stuff is supposed to protect wires and components up to 2000 degrees. The last resort will be the remote starter solenoid. A friend had the same problem with his 88 Trans Am. He put a Corvette LT1 in it and, no more no starts.
Has anyone ever tried all these things? 1989 Camaro RS 2.8 V6
101k. Regards.

 

Well, know its not the vats or key cuz i cuz its all brand new thinking that was the problem and it still did the same thing. but what gets me also is that one morning when before i took off some where it did not start so i had to depend on the switch i installed to start it. it is getting worse and worse for this car to start. but it will only start with switch when hot. soo i will have to track the purple wire to see if its messed up.