tilstad

I actually won in the lottery, and my dream all my life has been a car with a monster engine. At the moment I have a -87 formula, and I like it so much, so I think I will stick to it.

I guess it has to be a big-block then. But how "big" can you get them? I have seen GM's 502, but I was thinking of something a little bigger.
Actually I was thinking of setting some kind of record in terms of volume in a V8 here, but that remains to be seen if it's possible at all.

Although this engine should be really large and i suspect it will haul, it still has to function as a daily driver in the summer, not because I cant afford anything else, but because I want to drive my car as much as possible. Hate trailer queens. A car is ment to be driven.

I might not have the most awsum car in a show, but on the road on a regular day to day basis, my car stands out.

Now it should do that powerwise too. I have heard of some guy called Pat Musi. He makes engine of some merlin blocks or something, doesn't he?

Well, just come on, what is the biggest engine one can get, with 8 cylinders, that would mount into a thirdgen?

spartyon

with enough modifying u could prolly fit a jet engine in there. worth it prolly not but it would be pretty cool. how much money did ya win? buy me a tranny and spohn trqarm and tranny mount and i will be your friend.

tilstad

Well, I dont think I won enough money to buy alle the guys at thirgen.org to be my friend...lol

It was enough to pay down most of the mortgage and have some spending money for my car. I have some 50 thousand appr. to spend on it...or another car. Just curious how fast my formula could get for that money..

cr125r

http://shop.theengineshop.com/dr/v2/...P=0&CACHE_ID=0

posbird87

gm is suppose to come out with the new 572 crate motor, i believe u get 620 horse on 93 octane

that should make it fun to drive

then if u want more power, id say nitrous would be the easiest route. then if u need it u got another 100 or 200 horse when u want it

tilstad

So a 632 chevy is the biggest one can get? I thought I remembered seeing 700 inches and even 800 inches in Hotrod some years ago...

tilstad

Actually I was thinking something more like an almost pro-stck engine, but I really dont know much about their size and such. I saw a guy right here at thirdgen having a 'vette with over 1000 hp in it! Surely, that has to be a real big engine!

Maybe I should rephraze my question to; who makes the biggest V8 of them all, that is possible to buy. I'm really not talking about hp at the moment, just shere size.

TekViper

your going about it all wrong. you just seemed to be concerned with having the BIGGEST engine squashed into your engine carpment. smaller v8s can get just as much power as something ridicoulously large. find something that will pretty much fit right in and wont be an *** to work on. doesnt mean u need to put a 350 in, maybe a 427 or something and build it up to however much hp you want. did i get that right, 50k to spend on this? you could make a dual turbo v8 with that kind of money and still have enough for whatever else u may want.

tilstad

Your probably right, and I guess i will end up with a GM crate motor for reliability...

But right now I'm a bit curious....what IS the largest engine one can get readily availiable?

dunerida82

dude, get off it...you've heard quality opinions from knowledgable people here...dont be stupid with hard earned lottery money

19doug90

yeah man for 50 g's on my third gen i could make my dream car. Titanium engine internals (do those even exist? seems like an awesome idea to me) and a 396 sbc motor. Get some afr heads and whatever intake setup you want. Youd be putting out well over 500 hp N/a and have a bullet proof engine so then run a massive turbo(or twin turbos if you can make em fit) and youd be pushing over 1000 ponies....Get a jerico 5 speed (10 grand installed)....get a fully independent rear suspension setup....get the best suspension parts money can buy....18" mag wheels all around (heh 20 grand right there those arent a necessity) the biggest breaks that can fit in the wheels and some damn good tires. Okay so i went a little over 50 g's but thats my dream car and i got carried away so sue me.

EvilCartman

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632ci 1020 hp on the dyno, 92 octane pump gas Friend of mine has one in his boat.

87WS6

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572 crate engine would be about the biggest I think you could shove into a thirdgen. Really when you have money you can have all the power you want. But you don't actually need displacement for that to happen.

For example the 1989 Turbo Trans-AM is faster than any of the 350 cars stock for stock and it only has a V6

There is no replacement for displacement except money. Technology wins over brute force in this situation.

87WS6

iTrader: (1)

Also you could build a twin turbo 350 engine to propell your car well over 200 miles an hour. And keep your interior.

87WS6

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18 inch wheels are ugly IMHO.

tilstad

I tried some 19 inch wheels on my car after I broke one of the ones I got, and they where just too big. Too little tyre and very open. perhaps a little better in 18 inches, I dont know.

Christos

Doesn't Dart, and World Products make beefier big blocks?

You might want to check into that. I have heard of the WP Motown small block, and that thing can be bored/stroked tons more than a normal chevy small block.

I'm sure both companies offer big blocks which could be bored and stroked up to get you into super-high cubic inches. You could always call a local engine building shop in your area too, and let them know what you are looking for.

Sounds like a fun project! Keep us posted if you do anything, and congrats on the winnings!

Vader

So you're saying that a 231" engine is superior to the LS1-based V-16 Cadillac engine? I guess 1,000 HP and 1,050 ft/lb doesn't compare to the little Buick. OR a 735" blown rat doesn't have a chance against an engine 1/4 its size? 2,500 HP is almost as good as the 3.8L? Or Lingenfelter's twin-turbo 400" SBC at 1,400 HP is just a little short of the 90° V-6?

There IS no replacement for displacement. Any boost, power adder, blower, etcetera that can be slapped on a weenie little engine can also be slapped on a weenie BIGGER engine to make it not-so-weenie. If that were the case, B-29s and C-123s would have ditched the 28-cylinder multi-stage turboed radials (producing almost 3,000 HP) for an inline four.

I understand your point about the turbo Buick being an impressive alternative to stock V-8s, but how many of us looking at serious power are running stock V-8s?

As for the initial question, if you have room for any displacement BBC, you have room for the biggest BBC. You might not be able to squeeze the optimal exhaust system in the compartment along with the torque monster, but with 600 ft/lb, a little loss isn't going to be a huge problem. Transmissions, driveshafts, rear ends, axles, and twisted unibodies will be more of an issue.

Congratulations on your good fortune. Just don't be wasteful with your "free" money, just because it was free.

Damien00677

If you don't want to build your own, you can get These Guys to build up just about anything, for any amount of power, and for anything from daily city driving to all out track use. Check them out

chevymad

On a truck board I frequent a guy was showing off his new motor.. 2500hp dyno sheet.. 968 cid custom built BB chevy.. Shubeck or shumaker or something racing... I'm afraid you dont have enough $$ though.. Motor came in at $100k It's going in a 70 chevy pickup with AWD by the way.. would love to try that out!

monte-ss

agreed owning the "BIGGEST" engine around would have bragging rights in its own, but I dont think Ive seen one person talk about how well will your baby hold up to this engine? the torque from one of these monsters would eventually tear the car in half unless you decided to make a complete new frame for the car and you might as well continue on into a roll cage similar to the nascars to be able to hold it all together. Who cant say they wouldnt put the hammer to it atleast once a day in something that was that large?
IMO cool idea, bad results

19doug90

i cant decide what id like better 17's or 18's. i have 16's on my iroc right now and theyre not all that big and i figure if you went to an IRS you could use low pros because you wouldnt have to worry about your rear needing some flex in the tires. Plus my dream car would be a road race car so i could get away with 18's and low pros.

thirdgen88

All I can say is Motown 454 small-block.. Bolt-in!!

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...est/index.html

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...454/index.html

irocet305

ThirdGen88 read my mind....the biggest small block known to man. Now swap the valve covers for some stock ones and F' people up on the street. Ya ever heard the term...."sleeper"? Walk softly and carry a big stick.....(FDR)

jpk91rs

That is the answer. The 454 Motown Small Block. BOlts right in and carries a 2 year 24000 mile warranty. Ought to put that car, with the right induction system, solidly into the 10's.

Ian_F

yeah, the 454 SBC is pretty nasty. However, a twin turbo 454 SBC is way cooler, not to mention way faster! Oh yeah, congratulations on winning the lottery!!!

19doug90

454 turbocharged sbc motor That would be where the following term applies.....Nay as i walk through the valley of the shadow of death i shall fear no evil....for i carry a big stick and am the baddest mother *****r in the land.

EDIT. i just did a quick search and didnt see it. Where can you buy just the 454 sbc so you could do your own buildup?

tilstad

After talking this over with my folks, I have decided that I'm probably going to spend most of the money on some education, or college if I qualify.

Since I dont have a good education now, and actually unemployed, I think this is a better idea. Granted, I could still sell the motor after having it for a while, but what if I blow it, with nitrous or something...then it's bye, bye to that money, and I really can't afford that.

Still, I may have some funds left over to an angine, but the monster engines is a little out of the question. Since I like my car to be a driver, I like a little comfort aspect in it too, and tubeframed funnycar chassis is probably not a good idea then..lol

The engine I was thinking about in the first place, was the lates from the ram air trans am. But there may be better buys out there, but I think I'll stick to a smallblock in that pricerange.

Maybe i will build an insane car one day, but then it has to be for money I don't need for something else important. And I guess having a good job is a better future than having an insane engine. Helps on the gas bill anyway...

But it was fun to read all your guys ideas about your "killer" engine. Most of them I didn't know about, so it was informative too.

88TPI406GTA

Good plan dude...I think that you will be happiest with a decent small block (350-400 HP) and use the rest of the $$$ for education to further your career. Gee, it actually sounds like I am an adult...wouldn't my college advisor be proud

CobraKiller

take the money and invest it wisely..you got a decent opportunity at setting yourself up for life. Don't waste it on a car. That can come later.

DartByU

I wonder if you could cram one on these under the hood!!!

zippy

last i recall, sonny lenard was the king of cubic inches. i believe he once made an 804 for a customer's street ride.

gta324

Big engine.. Look in this thread!

540 cui and twin turbo:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=138168

tilstad

Cool...that car you just linked to is actually going to race that car this coming weekend, and I'm going too! Still, don't have much to show off with, but maybe I'll get some ideas after this.

As I remeber it he had a '540 engine + NOS. Same color as mine too..

tilstad

Now I've decided; it has to be a 350 LS6 2002/2003. This seems to be the best engine when both fuel economy and power is considered, and far more powerful than any other fuel injected "original" engine from GM.

Problem is no one seems to sell these though....cant even find them at www.gmpartsdirect.com

19doug90

is it just me or could you probably build one your self that was better for less money....that is implying you have the ability/time to put an engine together. You dont even really need the ability there are tons of books you can read and people on here will usually help out too....its more a matter of time/desire.

jpk91rs

Scoggin Dickey Performance sells the LS6 complete motor. Get one of thier catalogs or look it up on the internet.

Tom84L69

www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

You may be able to get an engine bearing under he hood.

Scott_92RS

Just get the guys at http://www.motorsporttech.com/ to build you a 427 LS1 based motor (naturally aspirated). I'm sure they can slap on a turbo or supercharger if you layed out the extra cash.... You'll get a 2 year, 24k mile warranty too!

a73camaro

I can see that two could fit...

MrDude_1

given that you have "only" 50k and that alot of that will be spent on other things, IMO i think your best bet would be a Motown 454 or 427 with some form of EFI on it.

its within your budget, swap in a nice roller cam instead of the flat tappet and it will get decient gas milage, get good fuel economy unless you leadfoot it (it takes fuel to make power)


and you get the small block chevy bragging rights... plus the cool factor.

not to mention, sticking to a small block will let you still work on it, and lets you have wider options for parts.

http://www.theengineshop.com/newstuff8.shtml

dennis6

www.paceparts.com or www.sdpc2000.com for the LS6.

tilstad

The Motown 454 is a nice package, no doubt about it, but it does cost a bit more. And with the power level it has, it means a new specialbuilt tranny, and maybe a rearaxle too. This makes the price even higher for a package like that.

As I stated earlier I decided to spend most of my money on school, and I have actually started last week. I will get a new engine for my car, but a bit more moderate. Preferably something that my 700R4 could sustain for some period of time.

I though I read somewhere it was good for about 500hp, but I may remember it wrong. Anyway, what I need is an engine who doesn't just crave a lot of juice just to drive in rushhour traffic(slow). This is important because where I'm at gas prices are about 5 times the price you pay in the US. (8-10$ gallon)

My neighbour has a 'built 455, and its uses a little over a gallon pr. 10 km. At that rate, with our gas prices, suddenly it doesn't pay to drive to work, since one earns less a day, than the price of gas to get there and back.

And since i want my car to be a daily driver, it would be stupid to build my car in such a manner, I can't use it anyway. What good is it to have a cool car I cant use?

That's why I need to have an engine with good fuel economy, and as I see it, no one has spent the amount of money as GM on R&D to make this engine behave like it was a regular grocery-getter. For shere power - shure a 454 motown or some other carbed engine is fine. But for a daily driver, with high gas prices, and a bit to drive, a electronically fuel injected, PROVEN engine is the way to go.

It doesn't need to be a LS6, it could be a LS1, or an equialent. But it doesn't seem that fuel economy is the thing engine builders have in mind when they develop engines. Shure, I know that it takes gasoline to make power, but as a daily driver in some traffic, one usually dont use very much of the power one has, and in that setting it shouldn't use much more than any other car either. That's something the sixties car's did in my book.

Damien00677

dude...at 8-10 a gallon, I'd be driving a little H@nda Electric, and not even thinking about an 8. Why is gas so much there?

tilstad

Because lowpayed government officials are *******s, since they can't afford these cars, no one should.

I should perhaps point out that a 2003 Trans am costed something like $130 000 here. And no, I didn't use a zero to much.

It's really stupid this with gas prices. Since Norway is one of the largest single country exporters of crude oil in the world, one would reccon gas would be cheap, but no such luck. It's all taxes, it's not the gas itself that's so expensive.

And I might add, most people in Motor and transportation department, don't like american cars, probably because of the "hill-billy" people that usually do. But with our prices, people can only afford old junkers and the like, and you have to really be an enthusiast to bother then.

19doug90

wow and i thought we had it bad over here! thats total

19doug90

The real question is can i use my stock sbc engine mounts with that engine or do you think some fabrication might be involved???:lala:

tilstad

It's not that bad if you're not into cars. It's when you ARE into car's it's really bad..

But one do get by having a small engined car too. It's not the end of the world. That's why most people drive 1.3 and 1.6 liters, and when they really want to have a nice car, they get a 1.8 turbo or even 2.0 non turbo! LOL

That's for ordinary people anyway. Those with loads of cash can get everything they want... as usual I guess.

Cars like the F body with engines of some 5 liters and upwards, is really unheard of, it's only enthusiasts who really really want these cars who finally get them.

But as expensive as cars have always been in this country, they now have differentiated the tax system. so big engined cars are even more expensive than ever before. After 1995 most of the F-bodys who came here only came with V6, you could save some 50 to 70 thousand dollars comparet to the 5,7 liter.

I think everything about this is a good reason to keep my car for a long time. Because if one decides to tune a car sold after 1995 for mor hp, it means MORE TAX! If one builds in extra equipment (extra weight) it's MORE TAX!

Remarkably enough, it's not any tax on car parts, set aside the 24% sales tax.. So I guess I would rather put some money in the car I have, because it would be virtually impossible to get a newer car with a powerlevel even in the same ballpark for the same amount of cash.

Before i bought my car in may, i checked out the tax to import a 1987 trans am. It was app. $14 000 + ship + insur. + the CAR! Bacause of that I think my $13 000 low milage -87 formula was a nice buy. Only needs a little more engine, and some small parts here and there to make it really nice.

MrDude_1

a cheaper, cooler and easier solution from GM for your engine could be the 350 ramjet..


its a stand alone 350 fuel injected engine that works great for a daily driver... stick a 6spd behind it and you will get the same gas miliage as your LS1... plus it bolts in... and it looks cool

and has a GM warrenty..



it could be more like what you are really looking for.

tilstad

It could be... but as I percieve it, they don't really put any emphasis on gas milage on that angine do they? If they do, it could just be the most suitable engine yet. Although one shurely would need some kind of scoop with that high injection setup...or maybe not. It's worth looking into though...