yeah, I am a newbie to this board but not really a newbie to 82-92 f-bodies. I have owned a 1988 Camaro, 2.8 v6, 5-speed, 3.42 LSD for about 5 years now. Since I bought the car my freshman year in highschool, I have been looking for them for sale and I have researched them a lot. Well back in the summer of '02, my friends older brother was trying to sell his 1988 Camaro IROC-Z. I had never seen it before so I went out to look at it. I ended up picking it up for 500 bucks!!! I put a new battery in it and a radiator hose, cleaned it all and it ran pretty nicely until the front pump in the tranny siezed But anyways, I decided to find out its history a bit. I talked to the wife of the original owner because he passed away some time ago, and she said that they were owners of a GM dealership in Washington. From what I gathered from her, she said her husband ordered it for himself with the 1LE package on it!!! He also ordered it with a "slightly" beefier motor (350 hp vs. 230). I'm gonna get some pics of it later but I have been very slowly restoring this car. I am pulling the motor and rebuilding it very nicely. Anyways sorry for the long post but I like my car very much if ya couldn't tell

 

Congratulations and welcome to thirdgen! It's ok to brag about your car. It sounds like a good one to me! I like mine too. ALways modifying it...

 

thanks for the warm welcome. I have some **minor** mods that I'm gonna do to it....like a Vortec supercharger and maybe some nitrous but those will come after I build the motor up just a hair

 

Welcome to the boards. Where in Oregon are you?

 

maybe where you could from a supercharger is a minor mood, but round these parks that almost makes u mac daddy =]

cheers

 

didn't the 1le package come with 3.23 gears in the rear end? also, you couldn't get a 1le with t-tops. you couldn't even get a G92 camaro with t-tops. you might wanna post on the history board to make sure, but i think this is correct.

 

What's the story on this beefier 350 with 350HP? I've never heard of such a thing in a thirdgen before...

 

Yeah, what is with the beefy 350? Isen't that even more hp than the corvette had also? I thought only the Firehawk had that much hp.

 

well I have seen the recods of this car from the original ower. He used to own a GM dealership in some town in Washington but he custom ordered it with these packages. I talked a little to his wife (about a whole 10 minutes worth) and she told me about what kind of "options" it was ordered with. She said he had some sort of "connections" but she wouldn't give me any names or numbers so I'm kinda screwed on that one. I put it on the dyno at my community college and it was 350 hp at 4400RPMs if I can remember. I thought it was a flaw but we did it 4 more times and it kept coming up the same.

Oh and BTW, radiateu2, I live in Corvallis, Oregon

 

what mods are done to it?

any proof its a real 1LE?

 

also more interesting only 4 1LE's were made in 88

i would like to see a pic of your RPO sticker

 

350 hp from the factory with tpi? sounds a little sketchy to me, i'd especially love to see that done with factory tpi parts installed as well as a factory exhaust system.. not to mention emissions equipment.. let me guess thats rwhp 2? not saying its not possible, just very very very unlikely with factory parts, especially a maf tpi system thats all factory...

 

Lets see some pictures!! I love when people think they are pulling fast ones on you when really its just like .

 

There's no way that car makes 350 to the rear wheels as delivered by GM. It's just not possible. It would need a pretty large cam, and a set of extremely good heads ... not to mention that a stock TPI can't produce 350 to the rear wheels.

When it's too good to be true ... it probably is. $500. Roflmfao.

Tim

 

ha ha, 350 rwhp? thats around what the stock LS1's in the 2002 TA WS6 made. i find it VERY hard to believe this guy. like everyone else mentioned, its impossible with the stock TPI set-up. lets see some proof!

 

I didnt see anywhere in his posts where he said 350rwhp... He said 350hp at 4400 rpms. Also, he said he would provide pics later. Why are some of you slamming this guy???? No wonder people dont stay here. Good grief....... Grow up!

 

They're slamming him because he is spewing a bunch of . He may unknowingly be regergitating the same he was told, but its all none the less.

 

Hey, I'm from Corvallis... Well, to be more accurate, Adair Village... Haven't been back home for some time now. I might've seen your car before, but I can't remeber back that for - I was more into truck 'n' stuff during my HS days.

Maybe his car was one of those trick showroom cars, lots of "unusual" extras, hey, it could happen. Just because yer jealous, doens't make it untrue, nessesairly... But I'd like to see a dyno sheet, just so I could drool...

Welcome to the boards.

 

If I was slamming this guy then you would know. I wasn't. I just said that there was no way that car was producing that type of power if it was virtually stock. How do you equate this to slamming him? Furthermore, he said ... "I put it on the dyno at my community college and it was 350 hp at 4400RPMs if I can remember". I assumed he meant that he put the car on the dyno - which means RWHP. Maybe it was the engine ... in which case we are talking about 280rwhp. Still no way to produce that type of number with a stock GM emissions legal thirdgen. Furthermore, EVERYBODY knows that 1LEs didn't have a special motor. The most powerful thirdgen '88 cars were rated at 230hp. NOTHING from GM that was on an F-Body platform produced more than that. Thus, if it really is a 1LE ... and if it really is producing 350hp, then it is modified with heads/cam, etc.

Tim

 

Regardless of the engine combo, you can't make 350 peakHP to the wheels with a 350 ci engine at only 4400RPM. It is impossible without a supercharger/turbo/nitrous. Not at only 4400RPM.

Sure you don't mean 350 lb/ft, as in torque. Although unlikely, that's a little more realistic than HP...

 

I agree...

 

Why is it that a new guy comes on the board and may say things that arent quite right, (i.e. 350hp at 4400rpms), probably by misinformation or lack of knowledge and or misprint and everyone jumps his *** instead of just welcoming him on board? That was my point. It came across as a slam from you and Syxx613. Like it or not thats my opinion.

 

hey i never slammed anyone, all i said was that those r LS1 numbers and i found it VERY hard to beleive with the stock TPI setup. sorry but its the truth.

 

Dear IROC-Z2814,

Welcome to Thirdgen.org. This is a lovely site full of knowldegeable people. BTW- I just wanted to point out that "There's no way that car makes 350 to the rear wheels as delivered by GM. It's just not possible. It would need a pretty large cam, and a set of extremely good heads ... not to mention that a stock TPI can't produce 350 to the rear wheels."

Better?

Tim

 

aww you guys are just the cutiest, now who wants to give up their fruit of the looms?

 

sorry guys, I'm not feeling very good right now but it does have 350rwhp@5400 rpms. I typed a misprint. Stupid drugs.... anyways, I do not have access to a scanner so I cannot scan in my dyno sheets but I will have some pics of it soon. Like I said, I don't know too much about this car but the original ower did order this car special. Black exterior with a dark Carmine interior and the IROC-Z door stickers are a dark red as well. It doesn't have the original paint job on it (someone did a very bad job at it) so the original striping along the bottom is gone

Oh and BTW, if some people do not wanna believe what I have to say, then they can believe it. As long as I know what I have and I do not plan on getting rid of it, thats all I care about

 

 

Damn it Bobby> <Sorry

 

Everyone has a "special order" souped up car, or a "1 of a kind" this and that. It is all just ,GM did not do stuff like that back in the 80's. There are laws and regulations and certifications that have to be met, you can't just call up Detroit and say " Hey buddy, soup up my IROC. After all, I own a dealership" Nope.

 

The factory would not make a special "souped up" order, but dealerships do them all the time. And why not, if it would lead to a sale its a small price to pay.
I also dont belive the 350 rwhp thing especially if its a 1LE.

 

Yes,

You have my respect (in case you cared). Sorry for venting. I agree with you about the 350rwhp. It will be interesting to see how this turns out, whether or not he can prove his numbers. Its cool when you buy a vehicle and do some research to find out its a "special" one. Everyone once in a while you read about these finds in car magazines like Super Chevy etc. I hope he is right. Either way he is happy with his thirdgen as are we all...

 

Welcome IROC-Z2814. This board has been of great technical assistance to myself and many others, and I am sure you will find it useful as well. Pay no attention to the whiney people who debate over trivial crap. If you like your car, more power to you. It doesnt matter if it has 100, 200, 300, or 400 HP, just as long as it works for you. You don't have to "prove" your numbers,...who cares??? Enjoy your ride, stick around for the technical talk, learn what you can, integrate with the people that are here to help if you need them. Don't get involved or be swayed by the childish behavior of a few. And to the rest of you......come on., give the guy a break already. We all started somewhere.

 

I would be interested in seeing how this turns out.

I would give my eye teeth for another Camaro that was modified by a dealer. Ever hear of a Yenko?

What was the name of the dealership that this car came from?

Do you know what town the dealer was in? I live in Washington, if it's close, I'd check with the dealer for you and see if they remember the car. I have a friend that sold his Chevy dealership a couple years ago. He may know the man who died.

I bet the service manager or another employee would remember a car like this.

 

I don't know the name of the dealership but I think she said something about Everett (sp?). He husband dies a few years ago so I didn't really wanna talk too much about where her husband worked and she never mentioned the name of the dealership that I can recall. But anyways, thank you everyone that has given me a nice warm welcome I do have the TPI torn down on the motor and I am in the process of pulling it for a complete rebuild due to the previous owner (2nd) after he beat the **** outta the poor thing. I had only had the car running nice for about a week before the front pump on the tranny siezed up so the whole motor, tranny, and rear end are getting a rebuild. I am basically going to make this car up to show room quality. I pulled the front fenders, nose, and hood off so far and I must have pulled out like 4 pounds of dirtI am also going to be powder coating the whole front suspension black and I have a set of red polyurathane bushings that I'm going to be putting in. I'll try and snap some pics of it this weekend if I can get to it.......I have way too many projects including my 1979 Subaru 4WD wagon that I am paneling.........

 

If you are tearing the motor down, we will find out what this motor is hopped up with. You should post pics and casting #'s of the heads, cam, and every other releavant part. If it has aftermarket heads, a cam, and the TPI is ported to holy hell, then we know it makes some HP numbers. But if everthing appears stock, well then.......wah wah