What would it take to put a quad four in a camaro. Think about it, it'd be light as hell and with dual turbos and some other mods you could easily run 4 to 500hp. Give the rice burners something to talk about

 

LBC,

An aluminum Sportsman case and alloy heads weigh about 20 pounds more than an iron 4 cylinder. With two turbos and all those extra cubes, you could give the ***** boys a lot more to talk about...

BTW - Lingenfetlter's dual turbo SBC makes somewhere around 1,400 HP, in case you were wondering.

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[This message has been edited by Vader (edited January 01, 2001).]

 

why not there are some people on here that have taken 350s out to put v6s in. never heard of anyone doing the quad4. take some measurements and see if it's fit. if you don't mind making some parts, brackets, harnesses and such it wouldn't be any differant than any other odd ball swap. the biggest problem i can see is a transmission. not sure if a quad4 has a standard chevy bolt patter, or even a BOP bolt pattern.

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What kinda 4banger did GM put in camaros in the 80's?

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91 Camaro RS, 305 TBI
No mods yet...Hopefully:
Convert to dual-cat with headers and Borla catback exhaust.
Edelbrock MPFI system.
RAM air hood & Z28 wing.
Z28 cam.
ABS system.
Positraction rearend with rear disc brakes.

 

Quad4 are total junk. Work at a dealer whos cars have those motors and you will understand. They suck. Heh, anytime one comes in for a water pump, it almost becomes a fist fight over who is going to have to do it.

Theoreticly, you could put one in, I think it has the 60* bolt pattern, so you mate it up with a v6 700R-4, but trust me, if you were to do it, yes, the import guys would talk, but it wouldn't be good talk.

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[This message has been edited by GMTech (edited January 01, 2001).]

 

The transmission would be a problem. The starter bolts up to the transmission, I believe, and there wouldn't be anywhere to bolt it to a rear wheel drive transmission.

Another thing to consider is the intake. The stock intake for the 94 and older quad 4's would be pointing into the firewall. I suppose you could use the newer plastic intake, but I don't know how it would hold up to having any boost put to it. Oil pan clearence may be another issue.

I would love to do this myself, but I think it would cost way too much!

By the way, for anyone interested, Hotrod magazine has an article on the Quad4 in the January 2001 issue. You may be able to see a few of the things I'm talking about in there, they have a bunch of pictures!

GMTECH...How do you guys decide who gets to do a cylinder head replacement (They're almost always bad, and require replacement, not just milling and a new gasket!) I've actually gotten pretty good at this and the water pump, and now I get most of the Quad4 work that comes in, but I don't mind as I enjoy the challenge!

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And Lotta....
They put the old "Iron Duke" or 4 Tech 2.5 in them. I have one in my FWD daily driver car, and it doesn't have enough power there either! It's reliable though. I would also like to do PFI on one of those, and maybe even a Turbo.

 

I totally forgot about the starter and the intake, hell for that matter, try putting a power steering pump belt on with that sucker up against the firewall!

Fortunalty for us, we don't see many head gaskets any more. Lately its just water pumps and coil housings.

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TB Coolant Bypass, Custom Cold Air,
SSM SFC, KYB Shocks, Boxed LCAs, Wonder Bar,
8mm Accel wires,
Flowmaster Exhaust,
16" GTA rims,
Corvette Servo,
--&gt;14.97 @ 94.9 MPH&lt;--

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Problems I have seen with the 2.5 is head bolts breaking. The two center bolts up front break for some reason. That and the rod bearings have a definate upper and lower bearing (learned this the hard way).

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JET AFPR, Ported Plenum,
TB Coolant Bypass, Custom Cold Air,
SSM SFC, KYB Shocks, Boxed LCAs, Wonder Bar,
8mm Accel wires,
Flowmaster Exhaust,
16" GTA rims,
Corvette Servo,
--&gt;14.97 @ 94.9 MPH&lt;--

'97 Bonneville SSE

 

Yeah, I forgot about the power steering pump thing! And I have changed many coil housings. In fact, we even have a good used one at the shop just for testing purposes!

I don't remember on the 2.5 bearings, but I must have gotten it right! I have about 10k miles on mine since rebuilding it!

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Added dual elec fans.
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Building 430 HP 350
using primarily GMPP parts.
Block is in shop!

Awaiting results from all 8 ASE tests.

Starting to look like the Kicker poster child!

 

oldsmobile made two cars called the aerotechs, 4cyl twin turbos. over 1000hp. broke flying mile and circle track world records.

I had a 4cyl turbo tbird. pretty quik, it could take 5.0's easy. actually the 87 turbo tbird was faster than the 87 corvette in the 1/4. 88 was even faster. ever seen a mustang svo? offset hoodscoop. those are 4cyl turbos.

i think youde be looking at a lot of money, not only for custom fabbed parts, but to get that much hp out of that many cylinders, your gona have tolerances that will be mighty expensive, and internals that are outragous. but, if you got the cash. take it home, you could make a heluva fast car. by the way, turbos arent very cheap. $800 each.

 

ya that would be pretty sweet you could get a big chrome fart pipe, some chinese writing stickers that say camaro

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But at least it would have american engineering behind it, fart pipe or not! This topic wasn't about how to make a Camaro into a rice-burner, it was about how to utilize a GM 4 cyl. in a Camaro. Just be glad he didn't ask how to put a Mitsubishi 2.0l turbo into a thirdgen, or how to put in one of the F**d 4 cyl turbo engines!

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Working on:
'84 Z28 LG4 305
Added dual elec fans.
145 MPH IROC Speedo
Building 430 HP 350
using primarily GMPP parts.
Block is in shop!

Awaiting results from all 8 ASE tests.

Starting to look like the Kicker poster child!

 

Here we go again....

Like I said, if you've got two turbos, a ThirdGen, and a V-8, what's the mystery? If 304MPH is too fast for you in a stock-bodied car, then only use one turbo. If you really want a four-cylinder project car, I've got two spare Fieros that I'll hand you the titles for if you want to haul them away. Yes, you can get pretty respectable power from a four cylinder, but for less cash and more reliability you can get more ponies from more cylinders (e.g., more displacement).

I'm sure all the NASCAR guys are rattling their brains trying to figure out how to get fewer cylinders in their engines so they can get the really BIG sponsorship bucks. And the NHRA pit crews are stumped over why they ever chose a 3,500 HP V-8 over a 1,000 HP four banger.

They're all like "Yo, Whassup, G's?" Yeah, right.

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Sorry to be so opinionated, but unless we're talking pounds of dead weight or women's ages (which may have some mathematical relationship), I'm not a big subscriber to the theory that less is more.

I've had it up to my snowbanks with the TTA/GN guys, even though they have pretty powerful engines and some really nice cars. Everyone knows that the SBC in stock trim leaves a lot to improve upon, but an equally prepared engine of larger displacement will crush them every time. It happens at thousands of tracks, millions of times every year, if you just go and see for yourself.
If I had a TTA or GN, I would keep it as pristine as possible and be proud of it, too. If I wanted to beat up on them in unlimited classes, I'd go for as many cubes as I could afford. The prize money would come in handy.

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[This message has been edited by Vader (edited January 01, 2001).]

 

I didnt say I was gonna do it and I'd always take a V8 over a four banger anyday. But it would be unique in a sea of 350 tpi camaros. No one has ever done it so whoever could pull it off I would tip my hat to and respect them.

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91 Camaro RS, 305 TBI
No mods yet...Hopefully:
Convert to dual-cat with headers and Borla catback exhaust.
Edelbrock MPFI system.
RAM air hood & Z28 wing.
Z28 cam.
ABS system.
Positraction rearend with rear disc brakes.
Rebuilt front and rearend suspension with polygraphite bushings.
Strutbrace.
Rollbar.

 

LBC,

No flames, and I was just reacting to the inevitable 231 turbo vs. 305/350 V-8 n.a. vs. whatever options engine fight that usually comes along right about now.

I didn't mean to pooh-pooh your idea. The base engine for the ThirdGen was a four cylinder, and some were actually produced that way (go figure). It would be interesting, but it sounds like the Quad 4 would be a real challenge.

The offer still stands. If you want a four cylinder "project" car, come and get it. As long as you like red, I have any color you want.

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Vader, is that fiero in decent condition. If so, where do you live?

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91 Camaro RS, 305 TBI
No mods yet...Hopefully:
Convert to dual-cat with headers and Borla catback exhaust.
Edelbrock MPFI system.
RAM air hood & Z28 wing.
Z28 cam.
ABS system.
Positraction rearend with rear disc brakes.
Rebuilt front and rearend suspension with polygraphite bushings.
Strutbrace.
Rollbar.

 

LBC,

email to vader@thirdgen.org

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Feiros Are Cool, if You Like Fiery Death


That would be a fun car to put a SBC in tho, then get one of those ferarri body kits...




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Hey GM Tech, I'm right there with ya on Quad 4 waterpumps. Been there, done that, hope I don't ever have to do another one! Another thing I've noticed is how many Quad 4 heads you see in the machine shop getting the combustion chamber TIG welded back together between the valves! However, they do make some impressive power for a four banger. As far as the Chevy four cylinders go, forget it! They don't have adequate power to even pull a go cart. I'd better find some wood to knock on, mom has a Grand Am with a Quad 4 pushing around 145,000 miles with no major problems yet! Btw, I replaced her p/s belt a while back, that was no picnic either!



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A little late, but here's my reply...

The Quad4 is an excellent engine, provided you take care of it... No high revs until its warmed up, always keep the fluid levels where they should be...

http://www.mantapart.com has a RWD Quad4 setup that would be ideal for making a RWD Quad4 Camaro

 

I met a guy who put a 3.4 in a fiero, it was pretty quick..but not as fast as he thought it was. Im sure it's wrecked by now.

 

there is a company out there, I dont remember the name, but my brother was showing me pictures of how they out a cadillac 4.6L northstar motor into the fieros. It cost about 5-6K, but from company claims they seem to be pretty damn fast. Which reminds me, anyone ever seen a northstar with a nice exhaust?? This kid in the next town over has an exhaust on his eldorado that sounds sweeter than most aftermarket SBC exhaust, thing sounds like a race car. thought I'd just throw some stuff on the table.