I think someone already asked this, but it started some big battle, but I just care about the facts...

I was reading your signature and I noticed you ran a 10.9 @124 N/A and was just curious how you were able to do that with a setup that at first glance looks like 12's??

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1982 Camaro Z28

should be running 11's this spring...we'll see
Check the website for progress http://members.fbody.com/Pro82Z/

 

you can't judge performance based on a collection of parts.

Most people do not bother to powertune their setup, they just throw money and more parts at it.

When people do not bother to learn powertuning procedures or actually do the testing themselves, they automatically assume the parts they have are power limited by design.
As you can see the parts are only limited by the tuner.

I use a Vericom2000 accelerometer to do strict tests of all my mods and tuning. I have used it for over 8 years and say that it is my all time best investment as far as performance parts go @ $500. I have easily realized more performance gains by using the vericom than with any other modification to the car including stroker engine and nitrous.

there is the short answer.

ODB

 

what exactly does the vericom do? what does it read? how does it hook up?

I don't think I'm ready to shell out $500 for one just yet, but maybe down the road when I'm finished with the mods. It does sound interesting.

Does it help you with porting by looking at the results?

 

An accelerometer senses G-forces and uses calculations to determine distance and velocity.
You plug it into your lighter port, stick it to your windshield and run through a flat quarter mile. The base model gives you data on E.T., MPH, and G-force at several points during the run measured in feet.
For example at the 60-ft data point it will tell you your car got to 60-feet in 2.4 seconds, was at 30 mph, and was pulling 0.45 G's.
It also gives you 15ft, 30ft, 330ft, 660ft, 1320ft, 0-60mph, 0-30mph, maximum G's, distance to 60mph, distance to 30mph, and a couple other bits of data. You can set it up for other distances, braking, or lateral G's.
I've used mine for years and it's been in many cars. If it ever broke I would be ordering another one within 24 hours. I can't say that about anything else I've ever bought.
Even without mods, the vericom will teach you how to drive to get the best E.T.'s
I have gotten into friends cars (automatics) for the first time and E.T.'d better than them by over 1/2 second just by driving alone. There is even more potential difference with a manual tranny. If you have a hard time believing that, then I can hook you up with witnesses that will verify what I've said.
You will find many people(car owners) do not believe that anyone can out-drive them with an automatic transmission by 1/2 second, but it happens. Like I said I can hook you up to the witnesses.
After years of using a vericom, driving technique and tuning start becoming second nature. You can get 50 runs in a night with a vericom while maybe only 20 or so per week at the track. The track also throws roll-out into the picture which can make track testing inconsistent.

ODB

 

Oh, so it's like a G-tech only a little bit more advanced...I do have a G-tech, but haven't used it much since my car has been a constant project since july and I got it back in December.

 

What's the difference between that and a Gtech for $100?

Seem to do the same thing.

 

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89RS w/ Powerhouse 334 stroker
Director of Darwin Awards @ www.thirdgen.org

 

that's real cute,

here ya go blockhead

sbeach@postnet.com

he will give you his phone# if you care to discuss your b.s. claims

I don't have time to argue with you slow learners but he loves it.

ODB

 

that's real cute,

here ya go blockhead

sbeach@postnet.com

he will give you his phone# if you care to discuss your b.s. claims

I don't have time to argue with you slow learners but he loves it.

ODB

 

Slow lerners. duhr gee wally wHatZ a slow lerner?

Why dont you just put a frickin leaf blower on there!

Or wait.. maybe you could put cooling fans on the brake rotors. Yeah that might work!

Or wait, if you want to polish your wheels just uh uh **** on them!

DUHR! Gee go drink some more Schlitz with Cleetus!



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89RS w/ Powerhouse 334 stroker
Director of Darwin Awards @ www.thirdgen.org

 

ok somebody lock this up...i got all the info I need.

 

Blockhead, I think that was uncalled for. There is a lot of truth in what ODB is saying about using his Vericom in practicing launches and "tweaking" your system.

ODB uses a carb, I use EFI; but our methods have a lot of parallels. I see guys installing a mod that will be lucky to give them a .05 to .10 et improvement. Where as, their "launch" can shave way more.

In fact, the difference between "just stomping on it" and properly hooking up can be way more than 1 second.

 

The better more experienced driver wins the race not the car.

 

"ODB uses a carb, I use EFI; but our methods have a lot of parallels. I see guys installing a mod that will be lucky to give them a .05 to .10 et improvement. Where as, their "launch" can shave way more."

Ok, so what is the proper way to launch in an automatic. Where could I go learn about this? Thanks.~Arnold

 

good question... i'd like to know too, having never really raced.

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'88 WS6 Formula - Stock LB9

 

ODB..you going to be doing any racing at Gateway this spring? Guess I could verify your times as well. Some clowns in camaroz28.com have a tough time believing that a 93 Z with stock style suspension can go 8s. That's my buddy's car. My 88 is in the midst of an upper-end transformation. Should be good for high 11s/low 12s on the motor, low 11s on the bottle.

 

Your buddy is the guy from Decatur IL ?
I may know that car from Gateway.
Yes I will be racing this year.
My usual nights to go is Fridays.

For my camaro, I bring the RPM's up to 1200 holding the brake, then release the brake and roll on the throttle smoothly. The technique cannot be represented in words though, you have to learn the feel of it by using a vericom to practice with. My best 60 fts in 1999 were 1.58 N/A

ODB

 

I also use a Vericom VC2000. I agree, it is a very useful tool.

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1989 IROC-Z 5.7L

 

Ive saw the 93 Z from Decauter run.
9.29

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-86 IROC
Vortech Supercharged 406
-=ICON Motorsports=-

 

Same technique I use...I've recorded several 2.1 60fts on street tires that way (that's not super but its decent).....its not exactly rocket science...I think most automatic owners figure it out eventually.

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1996 Trans Am WS6 (Ram-Air)w/K&N, airfoil, Lakewood LCA's and Panhard Bar, Dynomax Ultraflow race muffler, HPP+ (running stock tuning) and 160 'stat, FLP Longtubes and LT4KM.
Pre-header performance:
13.83@100.67MPH
255hp/289tq on dynojet

3rd gens formerly owned:
Red '88 IROC-Z LB9 5.0 TPI (can be seen in Featured Rides)
Red '85 Camaro LG4, converted to 355

 

Yes and Yes to your questions ODB and Guido. He's done a bit of tweaking here and there to the 93, so I'm thinking 8.90s...9.0s at worst this spring. He's the guy that's gonna help me on my intake/heads/cam/converter swap and tuning on my '88.

 

I agree on 'feathering' the gas... My 89 might not be the fastest thing on 4 wheels, but it seems to make an improvement by feathering alone, although i have tried reving it up with the brake held... Like someone else said, automatic people usually figure it out, but then again, i've met some that think stomping on it and spinning the crap out of the tires is the cool way to launch.

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89 IROC-Z 350 TPI

-Flowmaster Catback
-Performance Resource Chip
-700R4 (Rebuilt) Too much done to actually list
-K&N Airfilters
-Ported Plenum
-2.77 Gears (not much to brag about but eh, its there)
-MSD 8.5 mm plug wires
-Problems every other day with the car (probably not a mod, but to me it sure makes a difference)

 

So then the key is to rev just under the point that would cause you to lose traction before and after letting off the brake?

 

yeah,
you press on the accelerator smoothly.
do not push & stop, then push again.
do not back off.
do not stab the throttle.

you roll the throttle open smoothly as quickly as traction will alow and still be smooth.

some cars like to be stalled up higher before the launch.
other cars like to be flashed more at the launch.

one technique will not work best with every car. The vericom will teach you what works best.

 

ODB, you are forgetting the most important part...practice, practice and more practice. And when you are finished, practice somemore.

Seems you are getting quite a following: half with praise, and half with clubs.

 

I think I am on the "praise" side.

 

thanks, that's good to know

 

No problem ODB. I very much enjoy reading your posts. You are not afraid to question or even refute some "time honored" mods. And they need to be challenged every now and then. Though occasionally you ruffle some feathers in the process (heh heh).

But if people didn't challenge those ideas, we'd still be driving flat-heads. That is how new ideas and innovations are found. And we all benefit from that.