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Old May 1, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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Do our computers store Trouble Codes??

I'm Having problems with my 91 TBI Camaro. Car stalls on me every once in awhile. Problem is it starts acting up while I'm driving our stalls sometimes while stopped at a light. So It's hard to diagnose the problem cause I can't get it to do it while I'm under the hood. So I don't know if the problem is fuel or electrical related. Today though the car started spitting and spuddering while driving and the Check Engine light came on for the first time for about 5 sec then went out. Had it stayed on It may have made finding the problem a whole lot easier. My question is do our computers store trouble codes? Even though the check engine light went out, would I be able to connect a scanner and pull the code or does the check engine light have to remain on to do so??
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Old May 1, 2004 | 08:29 PM
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Yep, use a paperclip.
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Old May 1, 2004 | 09:03 PM
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Yep, they store the trouble codes, just do like Red Devil said. Take a paper clip and jumper pin "A" & "B" of the ALDL and turn the key to the "ON" position with the engine off. Your fans will come on and is a normal occurrance. The first code will be 12 and will flash 3 times, this is normal. Any codes stored will flash after that. After getting the codes, turn key to "OFF" and remove paper clip and key.
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Old May 1, 2004 | 09:12 PM
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sounds like a code 34 MAF problem
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Old May 1, 2004 | 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by norwichian
sounds like a code 34 MAF problem
No MAF on his car, he has the MAP system.
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Old May 1, 2004 | 09:37 PM
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a '91. Anyone know offhand which EGR system he's running? Hint...
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Old May 1, 2004 | 09:48 PM
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If he is still using it, he should have a negative back pressure EGR on his car.
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Old May 1, 2004 | 10:21 PM
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yes have egr still on. Where is the ALDL located??
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Old May 1, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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Below the edge of the dash by the drivers right knee next to the center console. It might have a plastic cover over it that says diagnostics. If you have the bolster panel installed under the dash, there will be a small rectangular panel covering the opening for it.
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Old May 1, 2004 | 11:26 PM
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Ok just pulled the code and 15 came up. Looked it up and it says that's a coolant temp sensor circuit (low temp indicated). would something like this cause the problems I'm experiencing??
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Old May 1, 2004 | 11:42 PM
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That is a good possibility since it sends infomation to the ECM about the temperature of the coolant so it will adjust the operating parameters of the engine. Here is a troubleshooting chart of the code 15 for you to use to find your problem. Hope this helps you out.
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Old May 1, 2004 | 11:43 PM
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Old May 2, 2004 | 02:29 AM
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Yes, the bad CTS can cause stalls if the computer hasnt flagged an error and takes the cts at face value. Basically, the computer will think its cold out and enrich the mixture. Kinda like having a stuck choke on a carb motor.
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Old May 2, 2004 | 02:32 AM
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Trickster, you must have every page of those service and wiring diagram manuals scanned into your computer by now
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Old May 2, 2004 | 03:01 AM
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but it's not like this all the time, it's an intermitent problem. What would be the most likley cause, a bad CTS or faulty connection. I figured that a sensor like this would go bad and stay bad. Not work some of the time
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Old May 2, 2004 | 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by dimented24x7
Trickster, you must have every page of those service and wiring diagram manuals scanned into your computer by now
I do, and as soon as it gets here I will be scanning a manual for an 85 trans-am. In about a month, a friend is supposed to loan me his 92 camaro manual.

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Since it is only intermittent, I would take a look at the connector on the CTS and check for broken wires, loose connection, corrosion, or a broken pin on the CTS. Pin "A" of the CTS connector is a ground wire that also goes to the MAT & TPS. It may not be the sensor but a bad connection. Use that chart above to check it out.
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Old May 2, 2004 | 11:14 PM
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changed out the CTS today and took the car for a test drive. So far, so good. Hope the symptoms don't come back.
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