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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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Selling the MARO

I know this isn't tech related but I did not know where else to post this. Gotta sell my Camaro because finances are really tight after a job change. Keep in mind that I have over 40K in this car and countless hours. I just have no idea what it might be worth.
What would a good starting point for my car would be with these mods:


84 Camaro Modification List

Powertrain

Engine:

ZZ4 Crate Engine
GM HOT Cam Kit (Camshaft and 1.6 Roller Rockers)
Heads Ported by Scoggin Dickey
Larger Manley Race-Flo Valves Installed by Scoggin Dickey
Edelbrock RPM Air Gap Intake
Edelbrock 750CFM Manual Choke Carb with Electric Choke Conversion
K&N Air Filter and X-Stream Flow Top
K&N Vent Filter
Jet Hot Coated SLP 1 ¾ Stainless Shortie Headers
Custom 3 Inch Exhaust Cut Out with Electronic Butterfly Valve
Edelbrock Cat Back Exhaust System
Summit High Performance Ignition Coil and Spiro Wound Ignition Wires
Accell High Performance Ignition Module
Holley “Blue” Fuel Pump
K&N Billet Fuel Filter
Auto Meter Fuel Pressure Gauge
Polyurethane Engine Mounts
Mr. Gasket Adjustable Vacuum Advance Canister

Transmission:

TCI Street Fighter Non-Lockup 700R-4
TCI 11 Inch Break-a-way Torque Converter
Polyurethane Transmission Mount

Cooling:

Dual Electronic Cooling Fan Conversion
TCI Transmission Cooler

Driveshaft:

YearOne 1LE Aluminum Driveshaft
Jegs Welded Driveshaft Safety Loop

Rear End:

GM 7.5 Inch 10 Bolt With Axle Tubes Welded to the Center Section
Auburn Pro Limited Slip Differential
Rchmond Gear 7.5 Inch 3.73 Ring and Pinion Gear Set
Moser Engineering Axles
Summit Racing Rear End Support Girdle with Main Cap Preload Bolts

Suspension

Front:

Custom Modified Edelbrock Strut Tower Brace
J&M Caster/Camber Plates
KYB GR2 Struts
Factory A-arms with Energy Suspension Polyurethane Bushings
Moog 5662 650lb-in Springs Cut ¼ Coil and New Isolators
12.5 Ratio Z28 Steering box from a 91 Z28
Global West Solid Tie Rod Adjuster Sleeves
Global West Steering Box Brace
Complete Front End Rebuild with TRW/Moog Components
New Steering Intermediate Shaft from “All GM” Parts
32 MM GM Sway Bar with Polyurethane Bushings


Rear:

Spohn Tubular Double Spherical Heim Joint Chrome Moly Lower Control Arms
Spohn Tubular Double Spherical Heim Joint Chrome Moly Panhard Bar
21MM GM Sway Bar with Polyurethane Bushings
Moog 108lb-in Springs Cut 1 1/2 Coils
Random Technologies Tubular Torque Arm
KYB GR2 Shocks
Global West Lower Control Arm Relocation Brackets

Brakes

Front:

Baer 13 Inch Track System with Black Calipers and Zinc Plated Rotors

Rear:

Baer 12 Inch Touring Drum to Disc Conversion with Black Calipers and Zinc Plated Rotors
Baer Adjustable Proportioning Valve

Wheels
& Tires

Centerline (17” x 8”) Daggers Style 912
245/45/17 Bridgestone Potenza RE750

Body

New Front Bumper

New Left Door Hinges
New Rear Bumper
New Windshield
A&A Z28 Spoiler
Harwood 3 Inch Cowl Induction Hood with Airbrushed Camaro Emblem
All New Weatherstriping
Complete Repaint
Updated Custom Painted Side Moldings
New Door Strikers
Updated Z28 Tail Lights

Interior

Complete White to Black Interior Conversion
New Carpet
New Door Panels
Salvaged Interior Panels Dyed Black
New Headliner and Sunvisors
B&M Mega Shifter
Twin A-Pillar Gauge Pod and Auto Meter Gauges
Classic Industries Z28 140 MPH Speedometer and Lens
Corbeau Seats and Brackets
Corbeau 4 Point Seat Belts
Grant Billet Removable Steering Wheel with Chevrolet Logo Horn Button

Misc.

NAPA Dry Cell Orbital Battery
South Side Machine Subframe Connectors
New Coolant Overflow Bottle
New Washer Fluid Bottle

Performance

¼ Mile: Best Corrected is 12.91@ 106MPH
Estimated Handling between .9 and 1G

Thanks guys.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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https://www.thirdgen.org/classifieds/

that is the correct place, good luck with the sale.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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Nobody has any idea? I was thinking of around $25,000/offer. Is this out of line? Just curious. No flames please.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 11:27 PM
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damn 25,000 I know you have done a lot of work on that car, but when you sell a car you dont get back what you put into it. The high price tag is probably going to scare a lot of people away.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 11:35 PM
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$25k is waaay steep... even cutting that price tag in half is still steep to me.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 11:36 PM
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i don't see $40k in parts there. looks like a $5-7k car to me. I have as many mods of a similar type into my camaro, and i'd be lucky to have spent a third of what you're claiming. Not to mention you NEVER get out what you put into a car. I had a 37k suburban, sold it for a ton less than i payed for it after only 3 years. Same principal applies.
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 03:55 AM
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i'd guess something like 7k at best
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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That's what I thought. Thanks for the replies. Although, I assure you though there is over 40K there. I was just thinking of asking a little over half of what I got in it.
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Old Jun 19, 2004 | 09:58 PM
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try posting in the history/restore board post like these get tons more hits there it would be a nice to see ones other then "whats my bone stock 84 Burly worth" ones we get all the time
pics help to mike
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 03:56 PM
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What kind of Corbeaus(pics)? Willing to sell them? Email me : paperwings@optonline.net

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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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Only problem with recoupng you losses, you put money into the wrong kind of automobile, Thirdgens are not really considered a classic...i/e like a '32 Ford, etc, where you might break even on parts, but loose on labor.


Guess what I'm getting at is would you buy a '79 Buick LaSabre that someone spent 50K on for a full resto, for 25K?

Probably not.

My advice would be to list the car forsale, cost associated for the mods, and list it as "best offer", someone may come across it, want a 3rdgen and see you have 40K in it and may be they'd want to do the same thing to the same type of car, and you may be suprised at what they'd offer.
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by xpndbl3
i don't see $40k in parts there. looks like a $5-7k car to me. I have as many mods of a similar type into my camaro, and i'd be lucky to have spent a third of what you're claiming. Not to mention you NEVER get out what you put into a car. I had a 37k suburban, sold it for a ton less than i payed for it after only 3 years. Same principal applies.
Check out his suspension/brakes/paint, I think that's where a ton of the money is coming in.

Unfortunately, you aren't gonna get close to your $40,000 price. I'd put the car back close to stock and sell it that way. Then sell of all the performance stuff seperate. That way you can recover at least a chunk of the investment.

Good luck
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 12:41 AM
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with 40k into the car it would be stupid to sell it. i can see maybe selling it for 12k with what u have. and if the finances are really tight, then i think u should cut back other places rather than loose 30k in a car like that.
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 05:14 PM
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Wanna see my car. Check the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ayphotohosting
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 06:35 PM
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nice car! :hail:
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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Very clean car

What is that color called? Best of luck selling it, I think you can get $10,000 for it.
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 09:25 PM
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That's some good ****! Very nice job man!
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 08:05 AM
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Color is Charcoal Metalic. Factory color.
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:10 PM
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Sometimes U can make more parting it out.
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:14 PM
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PAIN IN THE @SS!
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:26 PM
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Oh i know but if they are looking to give you 6 or something like that, you could sooooooooo get much more the other way.
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:32 PM
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True True. Everyone wants to build their own worthless car, not buy someone elses.
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:52 PM
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When I bought my car I wanted bone stock so I could play with it. Buying sombodys modded car was like "theirs" and not mine. Hopefully somebody will give you what you want. I know I'll probeble go back to stock before I ever sell my car. Sell all my suspension, motor, brakes and all
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:55 PM
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For 10K you could part my car out yourself and make more. I just don't want the hastle. I don't have the stock parts anymore. Besides, I could not tear her apart any more than I could stand wrecking a car I put so many hours into.
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Old Aug 10, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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CamaroMike,

If I were you I'd really try to avoid selling it because you will regret it. It is a beautiful car. Is there no other way to get some cash?

Let's do a reality check. Get on ebay. Select only Cameros. Sort by highest price to lowest. Then try to find a thirdgen. First one I found was this with no bids:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6161

Then this for $9000 and no bids:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6161

What I'm saying is, if no one is buying these, I don't think you will get much for yours. Thirdgen's just aren't in demand-yet. They are too new to be old, and too old to be new. If you had put as much money in firstgen, it would be no problem.

If you are really desparate to sell, you will need to lower your reserve probably to $5000. Otherwise, ebay will just eat your listing fees for lunch.

I really feel you pain, but I'm learning my lesson from this. I'm not going to dump too much into my car just in case I need to sell it (in fact, I'm already under water with mine - I don't think I could sell it for how much I have into it).

One good thing about ebay, even if you don't sell it on ebay, don't fear. The guy I bought my GTA from had it on ebay for $4000 and buy-it-now for $4500. He got no bids, but I ended up calling him after the auction and bought it for $3800. I think I could have gotten it for a lot less, but oh well.

Good luck,

Don
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Old Aug 10, 2004 | 10:40 AM
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Thanks for the kind words but it's not about how much I spent but how much I will spend. Project cars always seem to need something. Never ending projects drive me nuts and I really would rather build a Chevelle. Should have started there in the first place. If I hold onto the car until I get 10 or 15K then inflation will eat any gain up and the car will just deteriorate. Rather see someone enjoy the car.
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Old Aug 10, 2004 | 02:10 PM
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I hear you. I spent $550 on new clutch parts only to find out it was just a loose clutch fork! Now what do I do? The car has 74K on the clutch so someday I'll need to replace it, but if it ain't broke, I ain't fixing it. My GTA has a gapping hole in the exhaust right after the dual cats - $$$$ for a new exhaust next. Also, it needs body work. Dents and a small patch of rust. It's a driver but I like going to car shows. This ain't show ready by a long shot.

Like your Chevelle dream, I have a '70 Challenger and a '71 Cuda sitting in the garage (I'm mostly a mopar guy). Both need a very good going over (the Cuda is a 318 and I want to make it a hemi). But finances and time just aren't in my favor. The only good thing is these cars are appreciating as they sit there (and sit, and sit).

One thing very much in your favor is you have the skills and time to do it. My cars will probably sit in the garage until I retire (I'm 38). I'd give anything to have the time and skills to do what you did with your Camero.

But the really bad thing is even though you spend all the time and effort doing a car right, you never get what you put into it (that's why you don't sell it). Whoever buys your car should realize and be thankful they are getting such a killer deal.
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Old Aug 10, 2004 | 02:25 PM
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All true.
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